Vantage Bast Core

JGads

Legend
Meaghan, you steered me correctly yet again, my friend. Tried the Polymaster I in the 20 (I went 59 lbs) and I love it. Really, really impressive. Nice crisp feel. I also tried MSV Hex in a different racquet and loved that as well. One of these two will probably be my go-to poly from here on.

Also, I got Drak's BC 30 in the mail and was able to give it a hit. Very, very enjoyable. First impressions are that the sweet spot is bigger and there's definitely more easy power, but it's not quite as precise as the 20. Practicing serves for about 30 minutes, I seemed to serve better tonight -- both harder and more consistently -- with the 30, which I believe goes against what some people have found, though we're still quite early in this. Racquet was strung with a gut-poly hybrid. Will probably order some Polymaster to throw into the 30 to directly compare the two. Had no lead or anything on the 30, and really, it didn't feel like it needed any.
 

Meaghan

Hall of Fame
Meaghan, you steered me correctly yet again, my friend. Tried the Polymaster I in the 20 (I went 59 lbs) and I love it. Really, really impressive. Nice crisp feel. I also tried MSV Hex in a different racquet and loved that as well. One of these two will probably be my go-to poly from here on.
Also, I got Drak's BC 30 in the mail and was able to give it a hit. Very, very enjoyable. First impressions are that the sweet spot is bigger and there's definitely more easy power, but it's not quite as precise as the 20. Practicing serves for about 30 minutes, I seemed to serve better tonight -- both harder and more consistently -- with the 30, which I believe goes against what some people have found, though we're still quite early in this. Racquet was strung with a gut-poly hybrid. Will probably order some Polymaster to throw into the 30 to directly compare the two. Had no lead or anything on the 30, and really, it didn't feel like it needed any.
Haha JG its my scientific approach that makes me so good ha!!

8hrs i got from it which is double what im used to. Played my match last night with b5e and it went well 1&4, 0&3 win again not unlike TB bit softer. Had to work at it like TB whereas the gosen is effortless. Really liked the gosen against the better players imo it suits the racket. Stiff quality yet soft in a way.

The 30 is a good stick its worthy of a proper test. Imo heavier leather grip and og + a small amount of lead @12 makes a major difference. It adds about 14g and moves the balance up a couple of headlight notches.
 

levy1

Hall of Fame
Haha JG its my scientific approach that makes me so good ha!!


The 30 is a good stick its worthy of a proper test. Imo heavier leather grip and og + a small amount of lead @12 makes a major difference. It adds about 14g and moves the balance up a couple of headlight notches.
Are you saying you added a leather grip, a OG and some lead and came to 14grams? Seems like a lot of weight for so little.
 

drak

Hall of Fame
Meaghan, you steered me correctly yet again, my friend. Tried the Polymaster I in the 20 (I went 59 lbs) and I love it. Really, really impressive. Nice crisp feel. I also tried MSV Hex in a different racquet and loved that as well. One of these two will probably be my go-to poly from here on.

Also, I got Drak's BC 30 in the mail and was able to give it a hit. Very, very enjoyable. First impressions are that the sweet spot is bigger and there's definitely more easy power, but it's not quite as precise as the 20. Practicing serves for about 30 minutes, I seemed to serve better tonight -- both harder and more consistently -- with the 30, which I believe goes against what some people have found, though we're still quite early in this. Racquet was strung with a gut-poly hybrid. Will probably order some Polymaster to throw into the 30 to directly compare the two. Had no lead or anything on the 30, and really, it didn't feel like it needed any.
The 30 just had to much pop for me and I can't use all POLY (ok if it's as a cross with gut mains) cause of previous shoulder surgery. Also it was too heavy and HH to start with and brought the weight too high for me if I customized. Good frame but I preferred my London for my game. I am looking forward to trying the Bc20.
 

levy1

Hall of Fame
Good review, thanks
I thought the London and the BC 20 were almost identical. The 20 won as it felt more maneuverable to me.
 

Meaghan

Hall of Fame
Are you saying you added a leather grip, a OG and some lead and came to 14grams? Seems like a lot of weight for so little.
I dont understand what you are getting at??

....but I took off the bast core grip and added a heavier leather grip and an overgrip. THis combination weighs in at about 25g take away the weight of the bast core grip (10g) leaves you with about 15g added straight away without doing much. That makes the racket about 340g...

If you wanna make it up to 347g then just add 7g under te grip (***these figures are all approx). Also 1g @12 really does make a difference imo but it may not be needed as the sw is already high. The added weight in the handle will give you a balance similar to that of the bc20....
 

drak

Hall of Fame
Have now spent some good time with the BC20, bottom line is hands down I prefer the BB London to either the BC20 or BC30. Comparing is what's it's all about and for my game the London's were just better. Better feel, controlled power, serve, volley. BC's are nice sticks, just not for me.

Drak
 

Meaghan

Hall of Fame
Been experimenting with weight for a couple of weeks....new set up is 364g 10pts HL 360SW its similar to my old set up and im liking it a lot.

Maybe more importantly I've been concentrating on my doubles s&v game and I've gone back to gut/poly set up. It is amazing how much more i can do on serve! And im getting no less spin from the baseline in fact its less loopy, more penetrating.

Some exciting days ahead......:)
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
me gots me 2 BC20s recently. me likes very much! :mrgreen:

both came w/ some pros pro strings...1 had pros pro poly of some sort and the other had pros pro multi. both were crap. the poly was crappier than the multi. i restrung 1 w/ head sonic pro 17 at 52/47 lbs and the other w/ solinco tour bite 16 at 47/42 lbs. didn't do anything else to the frames. i think i'm done demoing racquets. it's soft enough for my bad shoulder and has the solid feel of the 80's graphite frames, plus it's light enough that after 2 hrs of hitting, i'm not behind the ball.

to those BC20 owners stringing up their sticks w/ TB just south of 60...you must be really manly cuz even at 47/42, it's plenty stiff. after 3 hrs, my shoulder was starting to complain. additionally, my elbow was a little sore which is a first for me. but the action i was getting on ball was really quite nice! love the sticks, still tinkering w/ string & tension combos.
 
Last edited:

martin

Banned
I still love the bastcore but not so much in the bc20 but the bc30 feels great only i decided i will go back to my custom vt221 which suits my game better for a serve and volley type player.
I still will keep one bc30 just for fun and if anybody is interested in the spare one let me know...
 
I've been under the grip of the BC racquets, looks like molded handles (which can be interchanged by Vantage) rather than pallets.
 

Dave M

Hall of Fame
Pallets on all vantage frames i think (adult ones anyway) two of the 3 i had of the bc20's had pallets on them, (i was sure when i started typing anyway!)
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
I've been under the grip of the BC racquets, looks like molded handles (which can be interchanged by Vantage) rather than pallets.
They look like molded handles because they are light yellowish cream color. But they are 2-piece pallets.
 

mozzer

Hall of Fame
Played incredible with full tour bite, not as good with SPPP, but still better than my other vantages!
Need to get something stiffer, i wanna try red code, anyone tried it?
 
string set up plus lead setup

I am a new BC20 user - I recently used natural gut 17 in the mains at 63, and Tourna Big Hitter Rough 17 in the crosses at 60 - strong!

That's a little tighter than what I would normally go with, but considering I added 1.2 ounces in lead to the frame, I thought I would offset the power differential. The lead setup, by the way, was something I was hesitant to do, and I did use the travlerjam method for getting the figures.

At first, my shoulder could feel a massive difference on serves, but my returns, half volleys, and driving volleys were effortless and more than stable - head never moved once. I then played a tournament with it three days later - won both the mens and mixed doubles divisions. Most of my opponents (though I thought only I noticed) commented on the pickups I was able to make.

Very pleased, and shoulder adjusted very quickly.

Final setup:

Weight: 13.0 ounces
Lead: 8 grams at 3 and 9, 10 grams at top of grip, and 15 grams 2 inches higher than that on both barrels of throat.
Swingweight - 330 according to USRSA

If its any consolation, I was very skeptical of the higher weight numbers when I originally read the travelerjam post, and I toyed with half-assing it at 12.4 ounces and it didn't feel good. But trust me, even more weight and the results were fantastic.
 

galain

Hall of Fame
A quick question for Meaghan if he's still on this thread..

...mate - do you mind my asking why you switched to the BB? You seemed to be really enjoying the bastCore? I ask because I'm shortlisting frames and the Melbourne and BC20 are top 3 along with the EXO Tour 100.

Thanks - sorry to derail the thread if I have.
 

Meaghan

Hall of Fame
A quick question for Meaghan if he's still on this thread..

...mate - do you mind my asking why you switched to the BB? You seemed to be really enjoying the bastCore? I ask because I'm shortlisting frames and the Melbourne and BC20 are top 3 along with the EXO Tour 100.

Thanks - sorry to derail the thread if I have.
Yes, it was the open pattern and my addiction to tour bite that made the bc20 just superb. My main problem (and this has a lot to do with me) was volleying I never felt comfortable at the net, yes lovely coming in, drops, cute stuff but general put aways I struggled. I put this down to my failings as well as the open pattern and tour bite tends to pop up on you. There is another equation here and that's I loved the bc20 extended and could never quite get the balance right standard, this prob had an adverse affect too.

I did some mid tests and immediately found my comfort zone on the volleys with the prestige mid again, then the volkl dnx10 mid, better balance of power and control, volleys were great (with open pattern and tour bite) then I got the chance to hit with the melbourne and it was very similar in feel to the dnx10 mids but with a bit more forgiveness and power.

there is not a lot between the bc20 and the melbourne, the vantage has more room for mods but the bb is closer to my spec, spin generation its similar even tho the bb has a denser pattern. Main difference will be in string set up, the vantage you can string higher with a stiffer string but it still remains comfortable, the melly strings up tighter and needs a softer string to really benefit from the ball cupping and dwell time. I was stringing the bc20 @58lbs, the melly @ 45lbs with similar affect.

Both of these sticks have huge put away power and are very arm friendly, depending on set up they are both real plush sticks, both all court sticks with maybe the vantage coming out on top from the baseline and the melbourne closer to the net. Melly edges the serve but the vantage has more scope on string set up.

hope that helps......
 
Last edited:

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Me too...

I was like "Yay! At last!" then "What the... dohhh."

I guess the Custom sales are good enough that there's no need for promotion sales.
Yep, I thought about maybe creating a Vantage version of POG Longbody, 28 inches and 63 RA.
 

Automatix

Hall of Fame
Yep, I thought about maybe creating a Vantage version of POG Longbody, 28 inches and 63 RA.
I wanted something more along the Michael Chang Longbody - 95 sq. inches, 28 inches long, 63RA etc.


But with these prices it is just not worth it.
If you ordered 2 custom racquets to Poland, including everything - shipping, taxes (4,7% tax + 23% VAT), handling charges etc. you would get about 325USD/racquet.
 
Did vantage change the specs of the bc20 because the specs written in throat don't match.
The first one has 49 RA, 31, 335 and the second one that i ordered a few months later has written 50RA, 30,1 and 319 in the throat
Second one was unstrung so that might explain the difference in weight in balance but not in flex?
 

luishcorreia

Professional
I play now with a vantage racquet (custom built) what weights 310g unstrung, 100aqin head size and has a balance point of 325mm (6pts HL).

How does that compare with the BC30? What is the BC30 unstrung weight? The website only indicates strung weight of 325g.

Would the BC20 be more similar to my current racquet? What is the unstrung weight of the BC20?

Would I be better of getting a BC20 or BC30?

Thanks a lot.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
I wanted something more along the Michael Chang Longbody - 95 sq. inches, 28 inches long, 63RA etc.


But with these prices it is just not worth it.
If you ordered 2 custom racquets to Poland, including everything - shipping, taxes (4,7% tax + 23% VAT), handling charges etc. you would get about 325USD/racquet.
Ha! I have a few of those Michael Chang LBs, both the Graphite and the Titanium versions!

But I don't have any POG LBs. :cry:
 
Last edited:
I play now with a vantage racquet (custom built) what weights 310g unstrung, 100aqin head size and has a balance point of 325mm (6pts HL).

How does that compare with the BC30? What is the BC30 unstrung weight? The website only indicates strung weight of 325g.

Would the BC20 be more similar to my current racquet? What is the unstrung weight of the BC20?

Would I be better of getting a BC20 or BC30?

Thanks a lot.
Vantage send me an unstrung bc20. The weight written in throat says 319 but i just wonder why other people got their bc20 strung.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
I play now with a vantage racquet (custom built) what weights 310g unstrung, 100aqin head size and has a balance point of 325mm (6pts HL).

How does that compare with the BC30? What is the BC30 unstrung weight? The website only indicates strung weight of 325g.

Would the BC20 be more similar to my current racquet? What is the unstrung weight of the BC20?

Would I be better of getting a BC20 or BC30?

Thanks a lot.

Usually you can subtract 17-19 grams for the string.

BC and Customs feel different. I don't know how to describe it. BCs feel more lively? It definitely flexes more.

For you, getting the BC30 will keep the head size the same, so that's a start. But I didn't like BC30 in stock form. I had to add lead to it.

Hey, it's only $100 a piece. Maybe you ought to buy 1 of each and test it out.
 

coolblue123

Hall of Fame
really thinking about getting a bc30 and looking for alittle more power than my BB London but want to keep the comfort and stability. Questions though on the bc30:
How big is the sweetspots? What's the comfort/stability on off-centered hits?
Is the grip size pretty accurate? Is the leather pretty nasty?
Any polarization effect on the racquet?
How does it do on serves?
On the website it has a RA of 45? Is it going to feel like hitting with a wet noodle? It seems very soft.
 
Last edited:

scotus

G.O.A.T.
really thinking about getting a bc30 and looking for alittle more power than my BB London but want to keep the comfort and stability. Questions though on the bc30:
How big is the sweetspots? What's the comfort/stability on off-centered hits?
Is the grip size pretty accurate? Is the leather pretty nasty?
Any polarization effect on the racquet?
How Headlight or Head Heavy is the racquet?
Sweetspot = big. If you can't hit the sweet spot on this frame, you are NTRP 1.5 or below. :)

Comfort/Stability = excellent for most people

Grip size = accurate acc to Dunlop shape. Buttcap is not flared enough. I had to wrap some tape around the buttcap so it won't fly out of my grip.

Leather = it's faux leather; in fact, a very slippery PU.

Polarization = I highly recommend some lead from 11 to 1. Plays much better.

Balance = Vantagetennis.com will have that info.
 
Last edited:

luishcorreia

Professional
Usually you can subtract 17-19 grams for the string.

BC and Customs feel different. I don't know how to describe it. BCs feel more lively? It definitely flexes more.

For you, getting the BC30 will keep the head size the same, so that's a start. But I didn't like BC30 in stock form. I had to add lead to it.

Hey, it's only $100 a piece. Maybe you ought to buy 1 of each and test it out.
My current racquet si 310g unstrung and I really think that thats my max weight. If the BC20 is 310 unstrung it will be higher than my max...
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
My current racquet si 310g unstrung and I really think that thats my max weight. If the BC20 is 310 unstrung it will be higher than my max...
Have you checked the swing weight? The swing weight on BC20 is very light. Check the swing weight on your current frame. It might be higher than that of BC20.

Also, one poster here removed the pallet on BC frames and found removable weights in the handle. So weight can be somewhat adjusted if you are brave enough.
 

coolblue123

Hall of Fame
Sweetspot = big. If you can't hit the sweet spot on this frame, you are NTRP 1.5 or below. :)

Comfort/Stability = excellent for most people

Grip size = accurate acc to Dunlop shape. Buttcap is not flared enough. I had to wrap some tape around the buttcap so it won't fly out of my grip.

Leather = it's faux leather; in fact, a very slippery PU.

Polarization = I highly recommend some lead from 11 to 1. Plays much better.

Balance = Vantagetennis.com will have that info.
Thanks for the quick reply! r u using a bc20? Will you say this racquet is a comfy version of a PDGT?
My only complaint is that is we have to pay $12 for shipping. =(
 

coolblue123

Hall of Fame
Oh yeah, i forgot 2 more questions:
Any measurements on the width? It looks like it's around 22-23mm. Just wanted to confirm.
Is it a 27in racquet?
Can't believe the specs page on the vantage site gives so little info.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Thanks for the quick reply! r u using a bc20? Will you say this racquet is a comfy version of a PDGT?
My only complaint is that is we have to pay $12 for shipping. =(
I used them for about 6 months and hung them up. I have sold 2 of my BC30s and 1 of BC20s. I still have about 3 BC20s left.

No, I am pretty sure it is nothing like PDGT. BC frames flex a lot (around 50RA) and the PD is ultra-stiff 70RA. BCs pack quite a bit of power but would not give you the same power as PD. But it won't give you the arm problem PDs are known to give, either.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Oh yeah, i forgot 2 more questions:
Any measurements on the width? It looks like it's around 22-23mm. Just wanted to confirm.
Is it a 27in racquet?
Can't believe the specs page on the vantage site gives so little info.
Yes, it only comes in 27 inch.

22-23 mm sounds about right. It is definitely not a thick frame but is not an ultra thin frame, either. I never noticed the difference in beam width bet BCs and the Vantage Custom racquets.

I am too lazy at the moment, as I am getting ready for bed, to go to the other wing of the house and check the beam width of the stick for you.
 

coolblue123

Hall of Fame
I used them for about 6 months and hung them up. I have sold 2 of my BC30s and 1 of BC20s. I still have about 3 BC20s left.

No, I am pretty sure it is nothing like PDGT. BC frames flex a lot (around 50RA) and the PD is ultra-stiff 70RA. BCs pack quite a bit of power but would not give you the same power as PD. But it won't give you the arm problem PDs are known to give, either.
thanks! was wondering if it's a 27 in and how thick is the racquet? I hope it's not more than 23mm. Afraid if it's too thick, it'll afraid my volleys and swing speed.
 

coolblue123

Hall of Fame
Yes, it only comes in 27 inch.

22-23 mm sounds about right. It is definitely not a thick frame but is not an ultra thin frame, either. I never noticed the difference in beam width bet BCs and the Vantage Custom racquets.

I am too lazy at the moment, as I am getting ready for bed, to go to the other wing of the house and check the beam width of the stick for you.
get some rest! Thanks for the info! I am trying to decide whether to get this racquet or the BB NYC coming out in April. Both have really similar specs. Didn't click with the O8 315 bcz I wasn't dialed into the polarization effect. I'll decide in an hour. Will let you know!
 
Did vantage change the specs of the bc20 because the specs written in throat don't match.
The first one has 49 RA, 31, 335 and the second one that i ordered a few months later has written 50RA, 30,1 and 319 in the throat
Second one was unstrung so that might explain the difference in weight in balance but not in flex?
Anyone who knows more about this??
 

crash

Rookie
Hey scotus, since you owned 4 BC20s could you comment on Vantage's quality control ? Were all 4 pretty close in specs or did you notice differences ?
Thx
 

martin

Banned
Hey scotus, since you owned 4 BC20s could you comment on Vantage's quality control ? Were all 4 pretty close in specs or did you notice differences ?
Thx
I've got 4 bc20's and the quality control is excellent. I asked vantage to match them as close as possible and they did exactly that.
 

Don't Let It Bounce

Hall of Fame
Did vantage change the specs of the bc20 because the specs written in throat don't match.
The first one has 49 RA, 31, 335 and the second one that i ordered a few months later has written 50RA, 30,1 and 319 in the throat
Second one was unstrung so that might explain the difference in weight in balance but not in flex?
A strung racket will always be 1 to 3 points lower in flex than an unstrung one, odd as it sounds. Apparently the stress put on the structure of the frame by tensioned strings reduces the frames ability to resist being bent (i.e., reduces stiffness).
 
Top