Vantage Bast Core

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Hey scotus, since you owned 4 BC20s could you comment on Vantage's quality control ? Were all 4 pretty close in specs or did you notice differences ?
Thx
QC is good, but don't expect Fischer/Pacific's No Tolerance kind of QC on their non-custom racquets.

There is over 10 gram difference between my heaviest and lightest BC20s. But I bought 2 directly from Vantage and the other 2 secondhand.

But whenever you buy directly from Vantage, they will look at your record and try to pick a racquet that best matches the ones you already own.
 

martin

Banned
It is factory pre-strung.
Not anymore!!

At least this is the answer of vantage why i got my bastcore unstrung:

Hi Martin,

The Bastcore always come unstrung. The reason you received pre-strung ones in the past is because we had strung some of them up initially when we received them, and some people who ordered them early on were lucky enough to receive those. However, all Bastcore models come to us unstrung, and go out unstrung, unless someone chooses to pay for us to string it first. We'll prepare your shipment.

Best
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
I hope I will get something better than a spongebob racquet.

thx scotus, do u know the string skips?
See Page 7, Post 139 of this thread, and you'll see the string pattern.

In case you're stringing a 2-piece, you need to prepare in advance for the blocked holes for some first and last crosses.
 
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scotus

G.O.A.T.
Not anymore!!

At least this is the answer of vantage why i got my bastcore unstrung:

Hi Martin,

The Bastcore always come unstrung. The reason you received pre-strung ones in the past is because we had strung some of them up initially when we received them, and some people who ordered them early on were lucky enough to receive those. However, all Bastcore models come to us unstrung, and go out unstrung, unless someone chooses to pay for us to string it first. We'll prepare your shipment.

Best
Thanks, good to know.

Still doesn't explain why they sent me pre-strung ones when I specifically requested unstrung frames.
 

coolblue123

Hall of Fame
See Page 7, Post 139 of this thread, and you'll see the string pattern.

In case you're stringing a 2-piece, you need to prepare in advance for the blocked holes for some first and last crosses.
Thanks 7M and 9M. seems like all bastcores have those specs.
Why can't Vantage follow the rest of the 80% racquet world and 8M's?
Wow, talk about being a really open pattern on a 100 sq in racquet.

Thanks for the heads up on the blocked holes. As long as there are no shared holes. I should be fine. I am wondering what the warranty on these are? Since the racquet is so flexy, wondering how durable is it going to be?

Wondering why don't they post more tech specs on their racquets? Skips, warranty, racquet comes unstrung, etc etc.
 
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coolblue123

Hall of Fame
thx. just counted the strings from scotus's bc30. whew almost ran out of fingers there.

for the record, I hate stringing 7,9 racquets. pulls more string and strings break easier due to more open pattern. and worst of all it makes me count more... OK I admit the last reason is the real reason why I don't like 7,9 racquets.
 
Has anyone else had trouble with Vantage's website, I tried accessing it but it does not respond. I really wanted to order a BC20.

Da Johnny Boy
 
Ok. I bought a B20 from scotus and after playing about 4 sets with it - all doubles - and a bit of rallying with a friend, I can definitely say that this experiment is over.

The frame has plenty of power from the baseline and I have no complaints about that, but when it comes to volleying, it's been hopeless for me. Added 6 grams of lead at 10-2 to add a bit more heft but still this thing feels weird and unstable on volleys, especially on the BH side when pushed.

Going to stick with the PB10 mid.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
I heard its not as bad as the nbrs indicate. I really enjoy the London flexiness as well. we'll see.
it plays stiffer than the 50RA rating, but it's definitely not for everyone. i love it from the baseline. i've got the BC20s and i get a ton of control with it. it feels the most like an extension of my arm on my FH. i've added 2 grams of lead each at 3 and 9. and another 2 grams at 12. this is the only racquet where i can flatten out my shots just as easily as i can loop in a shot w/ lots of topspin. it's got enough heft to be able to crank a ball and it still light enough that i can wait until the last moment and whip the stick around to hit behind someone.

it's not bad w/ volleys. where i've found it to be the weakest is on serves. i get more pace, heaviness, spin and precision w/ the PS85.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
Ok. I bought a B20 from scotus and after playing about 4 sets with it - all doubles - and a bit of rallying with a friend, I can definitely say that this experiment is over.

The frame has plenty of power from the baseline and I have no complaints about that, but when it comes to volleying, it's been hopeless for me. Added 6 grams of lead at 10-2 to add a bit more heft but still this thing feels weird and unstable on volleys, especially on the BH side when pushed.

Going to stick with the PB10 mid.
the BC20 is fairly sensitive to string selection and tension. it played well w/ OGSM. it doesn't play well w/ a full bed of multi. it plays well w/ a full bed of round poly. doesn't play well w/ twisted shaped polys. works well w/ softer poly in the high 40 to low 50# range. mid 50s w/syn gut. stiffer, low powered polys seem to be best in the low to mid 40s.
 
the BC20 is fairly sensitive to string selection and tension. it played well w/ OGSM. it doesn't play well w/ a full bed of multi. it plays well w/ a full bed of round poly. doesn't play well w/ twisted shaped polys. works well w/ softer poly in the high 40 to low 50# range. mid 50s w/syn gut. stiffer, low powered polys seem to be best in the low to mid 40s.
I agree that it feels stiffer than the 50. I had it strung with tourbite at 52/48. The power and control from the baseline was just fine. As for the serves, the kick serves were nice and kicking and the pace on flat serves was lacking.

But the volleys killed it for me. I will still keep it around though.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
I agree that it feels stiffer than the 50. I had it strung with tourbite at 52/48. The power and control from the baseline was just fine. As for the serves, the kick serves were nice and kicking and the pace on flat serves was lacking.

But the volleys killed it for me. I will still keep it around though.
Yeah, I find it hard to punch volleys with it. The lead has helped a lot. I agree the flat serves are hard to get the pop on. In comparison, I get more pop on my flat srves with the PS85. Actuallly the PS85 hits every type of serve better.

I had TB in my BC20 at 44#s strung on an electronic CP machine. I think 46 or 47#s would be better.
 

coolblue123

Hall of Fame
anyone have lead suggestions for a all court player on a bc30? I play mostly semiwestern grip with a flat/pressured ball. 2hbh as well. Would like to add juice to the juice as well. I was thinking about improving the volleys by making the racquet more headlight. So probably some lead on the handle. Finally, I'll add lead on 4 and 8 as well to improve stability.
Probably thinking about leading it up to around a 12 1/4 oz racquet.
 
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coolblue123

Hall of Fame
Just got my racquet yesterday.

I've put .75 oz of lead on the handle, .5 on the 4 to 5 position. Total weight with overgrip is 12.5 oz.

I gotta admit it flexes alittle more than usual racquets, but it felt great hitting against it on my knee. Can't wait to hit with it. In a way, the frame and shape kinda reminds me of a PK Destiny or Destiny II.
 

coolblue123

Hall of Fame
Mine arrived right now :)

I will post my review soon.
which one did you get?

I've strung mines with goldenset maximals 16g 55/53. Spent like 10 minutes stringing the shared holes. I guess it's a new racquet so the gromments are alittle tighther than usual.

The racquet does not feel over 11oz. I was weighing the racquet and was amazed. Just made the racquet alittle more heavier and slightly more headlight. I hope the weather will be nice today.
 
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coolblue123

Hall of Fame
Uau..thats a lot of extra weight...almost 50g.

The only time I added weight to a racquet (on the handle) was something like 6g and I found a huge difference.

You added 0,75 + 0,5 + 0,5 = 1,75oz, right?

Btw..what was the change to swingweight?

Thats almost 50g.. :)

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclie....,cf.osb&fp=12915d1a2a85fa97&biw=1366&bih=594
swingweight was alittle heavier, but it surely didn't feel like it.

I just got back from a 2 hr hitting session. I was pretty impressed. Look on the bottom for observations.
 
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coolblue123

Hall of Fame
Okay here's my quick review of my BC30. I am not an expert, just observations from a person that plays with a semi-western grip, hits mostly "grinding," groundies. 2 HBH. I play pretty much an all-court game and around 3.5/4.0 rating. Currently i play with a BB London weighted to 12.4 oz.

Strung with Goldenset Maximal 16g 55/53. As soon as I swung the racquet, i knew I needed to add more weight.
Look above on how much lead I've added. Total weight is around 12.5 oz.
After lead, the swingweight felt slightly heftier but not significant.

Fit and Finish: Paint job was great quality, and specs were within range stocked. I think I have to play with it with alittle more contact on the court to determine quality of the PJ.

Groundies: Think PDGT + comfort + alot more spin. Ball pocketing was crazy. Sometimes it seems like someone put crazy glue on my strings. it took me 15/20 minutes to get used to the more open string pattern and larger headsize compared to my London. it seems like this racquet was made for semi-western grip players. DTL shots were awesome!

Volleys: Great! Could get the racquet head up and in position very quickly. Also was able to volley through the ball effortlessly. Got good results with all sorts of volleys, punch, stab, swing, etc. I think the lead in the handle helped alot!

Serve: Didn't get to try yet. But will next session.

Slices: Very consistent but I thought it lack alittle depth.

Topspin: Even though I believe topspin is generated 80% by the player and 20% by the racquet. This racquet felt like it went beyond the 20%. I thought this is one of the reasons to purchase this racquet.

Comfort: Absolutely comfort! Sometimes i thought the comfort got in the way of how the ball felt.

Touch/Feel: Touch and feel was there. But at times i had alittle trouble feeling the ball.

Net-Net:
Good: Topspin, Comfort, ball pocketing, BIG sweetspot, Love the "thump," sound while hitting (made me felt like I was a pro..), very maneuverable.

Bad: slightly lack in touch, racquet still feels it's slightly hollow, slices lack some depth.
 
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ptb5021

Guest
This technology intrigues me. I'm considering the BC20, can anyone comment on how it plays in comparison to a Wilson blx6.1 95? Obviously the six-one will be a lot stiffer.
 

Glennie

New User
After play-testing the AeroPro Drive, I will never use a Vantage racquet again, goodbye Vantage
Ugh...Opposite for me. I owned an APD for a couple of months and decided to definitely stay with Vantage. About the same power but MUCH more comfortable and arm friendly. Also had much better control. Goodbye, AeroPro for me!
 

ZeroSkid

Banned
Ugh...Opposite for me. I owned an APD for a couple of months and decided to definitely stay with Vantage. About the same power but MUCH more comfortable and arm friendly. Also had much better control. Goodbye, AeroPro for me!
I totally agree with the comfort part, that's my only dislike, everything else the Babolat was better, also I am going to demo the aeropro control which isn't even for slae, looks exactly like the aeropro drive control (not the aerostrom) but it has a 98 headsize, thin beam, and is less stiff. If I end up liking it even more than the aeropro drive I will be so happy, the holy grail!
 

coolblue123

Hall of Fame
APD is a great racquet. But it seems like the BC30 took it to another level. I felt like I had more comfort and slightly more topspin. What the APD had that the BC30 doesn't is more stability, (compared stocked). But put some lead in the BC30, and all is good.

APD is great if a person doesn't have bad shoulders and arms as a result of stiff frames. But, as a repeat TE offender, I better staying with softer racquets.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
BTW I stopped playing with Bastcore racquets because, in spite of its low flex, I was getting too much shock transmitted to my elbow. I don't know if you have experienced those "recoils" yet. But my elbow didn't like it.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
BTW I stopped playing with Bastcore racquets because, in spite of its low flex, I was getting too much shock transmitted to my elbow. I don't know if you have experienced those "recoils" yet. But my elbow didn't like it.
i kinda know what you mean...i tried the BC20 in stock form w/ Lux BBO and boy was that a mistake. ended up w/ wrist tendonitis for 6 months.

now i've got 2 grams of lead at 3 and 9 each + 1.5 grams at 12. this coupled w/ Iontec strings has been unbelievable. great control and superb comfort. just adding a little bit of lead gives the stick a lot more plowthrough.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Shoudnt a more flexible racquet be more comfortable?
Usually, but not always.

I have found some racquets with flex in the mid-50's that were really harsh on the arm. That's why it is always important to demo a racquet rather than buying something based solely on specs.

But just to clarify, I think the Vantage BCs are definitely above average in comfort. But for those of you who have very sensitive arms like mine, demo before you spend the money.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
Shoudnt a more flexible racquet be more comfortable?
Usually, but not always.

I have found some racquets with flex in the mid-50's that were really harsh on the arm. That's why it is always important to demo a racquet rather than buying something based solely on specs.

But just to clarify, I think the Vantage BCs are definitely above average in comfort. But for those of you who have very sensitive arms like mine, demo before you spend the money.
scotus is right on.

the rossi f200 is a flex noodle and is SUPER comfy but it's a heavy racquet at 13 oz so it's got alot of mass behind it which gives it unbelievable plow through and comfort. the bc20 is around 11.8 oz so it gets bullied by heavy hitters. i added a leather grip and lead so mine is at 12.2 oz now and it's very comfortable.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
scotus is right on.

the rossi f200 is a flex noodle and is SUPER comfy but it's a heavy racquet at 13 oz so it's got alot of mass behind it which gives it unbelievable plow through and comfort. the bc20 is around 11.8 oz so it gets bullied by heavy hitters. i added a leather grip and lead so mine is at 12.2 oz now and it's very comfortable.
I had my BC20 at a bit over 12.6 oz. I didn't feel it was being pushed around. Yet I still felt a bit too much shock. One of the reasons is that BC20 is quite high powered for me and I needed to have the tension up relatively high (although nowhere as high as I had my PK7G's).

2 racquets that are clearly more comfortable than the BC series are Volkl Organix 10 325 and Prince EXO3 Tour. I would even put ProKennex 7G (which has stiffness of 66RA) over BC20 in arm-friendliness.
 
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mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
I had my BC20 at a bit over 12.6 oz. I didn't feel it was being pushed around. Yet I still felt a bit too much shock. One of the reasons is that BC20 is quite high powered for me and I needed to have the tension up relatively high (although nowhere as high as I had my PK7G's).

2 racquets that are clearly more comfortable than the BC series are Volkl Organix 10 325 and Prince EXO3 Tour. I would even put ProKennex 7G (which has stiffness of 66RA) over BC20 in arm-friendliness.
interesting...i find the BC20 rather low powered and string it up between 48-52#s depending on the string. i generally use soft co-polys and i use a dampener pushed all the way down to the throat and it's quite comfortable. i have a tear in my RC and have had wrist tendonitis.
 

coolblue123

Hall of Fame
Adding lead definitely helped stabilized the racquet more. The flex didn't really bothered me at all. I thought it was a compliment bcz this racquet has awesome ball pocketing capabilities. The ease in changing the directions of balls were pretty nice! It is similar to my London expect this racquet has alittle more power.
 

alanl228

New User
I added 1g each on 3 & 9 on my BC20. It feels more stable afterward. 58lb OGSM gives lot of feedback, may be too much where I may try a softer multi in the same tension over the weekend.
 

ZeroSkid

Banned
Ugh...Opposite for me. I owned an APD for a couple of months and decided to definitely stay with Vantage. About the same power but MUCH more comfortable and arm friendly. Also had much better control. Goodbye, AeroPro for me!
LOL it seems it was just a honeymoon period, it is very good from the baseline, but it is too stiff, feels bulky, too big a head, terrible for volleys, lacks control and feel.
I can not play my aggressive all court style with this racquet, sticking to my vantage, and maybe bc20 one day as well.
 
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mctennis

Legend
The Vantage racquets I have and have used are top notch. I can not vouch for the Bast Core though. It would be worth a try at that price for sure.
 

Ross K

Legend
APD is a great racquet. But it seems like the BC30 took it to another level. I felt like I had more comfort and slightly more topspin. What the APD had that the BC30 doesn't is more stability, (compared stocked). But put some lead in the BC30, and all is good.

APD is great if a person doesn't have bad shoulders and arms as a result of stiff frames. But, as a repeat TE offender, I better staying with softer racquets.
How about oomph, or serve oomph specifically? Always thought the BC30 was a bit lacking in wallop (though I haven't hit with it much tbh.) How does the BC30 and APD match up? How is the BC30 for pop?

Secondly, how much lead and what locations do ppl put on the BC30?

Wondering if I should give this racket another, proper look. I recall the great feel most of all... hmm...

Any thoughts on the above or general BC30 thoughts welcomed!
 
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