Vantage Bast Core

coolblue123

Hall of Fame
How about oomph, or serve oomph specifically? Always thought the BC30 was a bit lacking in wallop (though I haven't hit with it much tbh.) How does the BC30 and APD match up? How is the BC30 for pop?

Secondly, how much lead and what locations do ppl put on the BC30?

Wondering if I should give this racket another, proper look. I recall the great feel most of all... hmm...

Any thoughts on the above or general BC30 thoughts welcomed!

apd had a little more power, but not by that much.
pls look at my previous on my lead setup. its leaded up to around 12.5 oz. but certainly doesn't feel like it.
I like swing feel through the serve off of the bc 30 than a apd. bc 30 felt, ironically, more aerdynamic.
the stability of a leaded bc30 felt more stable than a apd. w/o lead I haven't tried.
I thought comfort is about the same. apd, I feel, is a very comfy racquet to play with in the first place.
sweetspot is alot bigger in the bc30. dang there were times when i murdered and nearly shanked my shots. still very stable and semi accurate on placement. but, again, that's my fault.
 
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scotus

G.O.A.T.
Just bought a bc20! Hope it arrives soon :)

They should work out a deal with TW to sell their bastecore racquets

They tried but for whatever reason, it didn't work out.

The TW play test team had the bast core racquets in their racquet rack when the frames were first introduced.
 
Played a couple of practice sets with a BC20. After an extended warmup, I put down the frame and actually played the first two games with a Yonex. I went back to the BC20 - simply because my intent for the session was to test the Bastcore and I wanted to give it a better chance. Everything clicked this time and stayed with the Vantage for the remainder of the session. I was very impressed with the feel on all shots. Serving was especially impressive - an exercise in picking my spot and simply focusing on technique/extension. Will continue to test but a really good start.
 

Ross K

Legend
apd had a little more power, but not by that much.
pls look at my previous on my lead setup. its leaded up to around 12.5 oz. but certainly doesn't feel like it.
I like swing feel through the serve off of the bc 30 than a apd. bc 30 felt, ironically, more aerdynamic.
the stability of a leaded bc30 felt more stable than a apd. w/o lead I haven't tried.
I thought comfort is about the same. apd, I feel, is a very comfy racquet to play with in the first place.
sweetspot is alot bigger in the bc30. dang there were times when i murdered and nearly shanked my shots. still very stable and semi accurate on placement. but, again, that's my fault.

Thanks coolblue. Very interesting reading (and that includes you other past posts), especially as I've previously used the APD. Well, I'm definitely going to put this in my bag on Friday and take it out for a spin. Need to sort out though how I might mod it. I usually play with 6g in butt and 2 or 3g @ 12 with my APD... hmmm...
 

coolblue123

Hall of Fame
I added weight last night to my custom vantage. 2 grams at 3 and 9 o'clock.

You added 0,75 oz (21g) to the handle and 0.5oz to 4 to 5 o'clock.

That made your racquet more head-light, right? And also increased overall mass, but it didnt add more power, did it? Swingweight more os less the same?

This is the first time I add weight...

Did you used only lead tape?...

I hade to use 8 4 inch strips to achieve 2 grams with lead tape... see my point? :)

Thanks

Yep, didn't add more power, just made the racquet more headlight. Just remember that there's a threshold on how much lead you can add in one location w/o counter balancing on the bottom. Or else you'll be playing with a one sided seesaw.

Depending on how I like my serves. (I haven't tried it yet). I may add alittle lead on the 10/2 to increase mass during serves. i always have problems with my serves, i am hoping the BC30 (inherently powerful) will help me in this category.

Other stuff I added was just overgrip.
 
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coolblue123

Hall of Fame
Thanks coolblue. Very interesting reading (and that includes you other past posts), especially as I've previously used the APD. Well, I'm definitely going to put this in my bag on Friday and take it out for a spin. Need to sort out though how I might mod it. I usually play with 6g in butt and 2 or 3g @ 12 with my APD... hmmm...

I'd say, do some preliminary mods and go from there.
The one thing I would say that if you want to inherit some of the characteristics to the APD is to definitely add weight to 3/9. Perhaps even in 10/2. i feel the biggest difference is the way the hoop plays.
Remember to counteract all the lead u're going to use as well.
I am debating to try the 10/2, 5/7 trick.
 

coolblue123

Hall of Fame
Just got back from a 2 hr hitting session. Played the first hour on the BC30. I've mod'ed so that I put .25 grams between 10/2 positions. i've distributed some of the lead in the 5/7 spots to make it around 12.6 oz.

Pros: Plow-through is improved.

Cons: Plow-through is improved so much, I had to re-adjust to add more spin (which is easier).
- Still need help with serves. I am tempted to reduce weight and add weight to the 12 position.
- Net Play went down alittle because my hoop weight went up.

Net-Net:
Have to tinker with the weights more. So I just went back to my London on the 2nd hour. I am still lovin the BC30 though. The comfort of this racquet and the ball pocketing is crazy. Together with the spin, I was hitting some crazy angle shots!
 

Meaghan

Hall of Fame
I think my first mods where 10g@12 about 20g top of handle which id extended half an inch, og, damp......it played superb, I remember sticking with the 20 cos it was easier on serve for me to manipulate the ball but thinking back the 30 did everything else better, volleys deffo better, easier put aways, baseline so easy, 1hbh was great with the 100", just the serve.....if I had an average serve then it would have been on the money but I don't and the headsize isn't ideal.....the flex its better tho than the 20 slightly more uniform, less recoil, doesn't feel 49ra more 59.....
 

coolblue123

Hall of Fame
I think my first mods where 10g@12 about 20g top of handle which id extended half an inch, og, damp......it played superb, I remember sticking with the 20 cos it was easier on serve for me to manipulate the ball but thinking back the 30 did everything else better, volleys deffo better, easier put aways, baseline so easy, 1hbh was great with the 100", just the serve.....if I had an average serve then it would have been on the money but I don't and the headsize isn't ideal.....the flex its better tho than the 20 slightly more uniform, less recoil, doesn't feel 49ra more 59.....

I take it u didn't have more success with the serve?
 

neverstopplaying

Professional
There's only 60 left at 1/2 price, so I had no choice but to order 2.

Which ones?

BC20s.

I'm currently really happy with my 3 favorite racquets these days (TF325, Dunlop 400T, and YTPP), so why not complicate things a little more.

If anyone is curious about any comparisons, I'll be able to post some comments in a week or two.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
I think my first mods where 10g@12 about 20g top of handle which id extended half an inch, og, damp......it played superb, I remember sticking with the 20 cos it was easier on serve for me to manipulate the ball but thinking back the 30 did everything else better, volleys deffo better, easier put aways, baseline so easy, 1hbh was great with the 100", just the serve.....if I had an average serve then it would have been on the money but I don't and the headsize isn't ideal.....the flex its better tho than the 20 slightly more uniform, less recoil, doesn't feel 49ra more 59.....

so meags, you say the 30 did everything better than the 20? :shock:

the 20 works so well for me, the only 2 gripes i have are 1. reflex volleys sit up, putaway volleys often also sit up and when they don't, they don't pack enough punch and bite. 2. serves go long.

i think w/ more time & practice (hard to do w/ a messed up RC in the shoulder) the serve issue could be worked out, but i think the volleys are just par for the course w/ the 20.

u might have persuaded me to try the 30.
 

SJSA

Professional
I order a BC30 in the afternoon. There were only 161 rackets left when ordered. Now only 60 were left.
 

JGads

G.O.A.T.
I wonder if there's a chance that these BCs are getting sold off because an update is coming? That would be intriguing. I'm very much with Mad Dog's statements above: exact same likes and complaints. They came close to making a perfect stick with the 20. I think just SLIGHTLY less 'recoil' in the 20 could do the frame a world of good, as it would help those serves and volleys I think.
 

Meaghan

Hall of Fame
so meags, you say the 30 did everything better than the 20? :shock:

the 20 works so well for me, the only 2 gripes i have are 1. reflex volleys sit up, putaway volleys often also sit up and when they don't, they don't pack enough punch and bite. 2. serves go long.

i think w/ more time & practice (hard to do w/ a messed up RC in the shoulder) the serve issue could be worked out, but i think the volleys are just par for the course w/ the 20.

u might have persuaded me to try the 30.

Remember mine were extended and modded to a similar spec around the 360g mark. But I thought the 30 generally volleyed better and was more stable. Also even tho I say it did most things better I stayed with the 20, I think it just had that extra special something.
 
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mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
Remember mine were extended and modded to a similar spec around the 360g mark. But I thought the 30 generally volleyed better and was more stable. Also even tho I say it did most things better I stayed with the 20, I think it just had that extra special something.

if the 30 hits groundstrokes w/ the same type of spin that i get from the 20 but volleys better w/ more stability, this could be the "one". :cool:
 

JGads

G.O.A.T.
if the 30 hits groundstrokes w/ the same type of spin that i get from the 20 but volleys better w/ more stability, this could be the "one". :cool:

Can't wait to be on the receiving end of the 'Angry Spin' combo of MD and another Bast Core. He hits some nasty late dippers with the 20... Playtesting the 30 should be a fun experiment.
 

Meaghan

Hall of Fame
if the 30 hits groundstrokes w/ the same type of spin that i get from the 20 but volleys better w/ more stability, this could be the "one". :cool:

Yes it does, it may need a little modification to bring the balance up but leather grip, og and a couple of grams @ 12 does the trick imo. I think you'll find once specced up similar to your 20 that its a breeze from the back, very surprised at my 1hbh.

I found with the 20 it was great off your toes and stretching etc but I had trouble with basic put away volleys, I didn't with the 30.....

I think I played better more consistent tennis if not as spectacular. I prob didn't give it enough time to get the big serve out of it, its there for sure but I always settled back with the 20.

The 30 feels compact and like all rackets that do they just seem better for groundies, longer feeling rackets like a lot of small headed sticks feel better for serving. Playing all court tennis, mixing it up I like something that is compact but feels long, ha ha (??) and I always felt I fell in between these two sticks, great as they both are.

I've been playing with a vantage as my main stick for 3 years until I moved away end of last year, shame they didn't get it on with tw and its a bit awkward to sort out custom stuff now that they've gone total US of A on us but I'm interested in pauls history with dunlop and his ideas, they will always produce great sticks, just need a better designer to do the paint jobs!
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
I'm interested in pauls history with dunlop and his ideas, they will always produce great sticks, just need a better designer to do the paint jobs!

What do you think of this for the BC line?

Just plain silver/chrome color without any flares.

Vantage Logo above the handle (could be green, yellow, red to distinguish the 3 models if they wish)

Keep it simple and classy like the customs line.
 
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Meaghan

Hall of Fame
What do you think of this for the BC line?

Just plain silver/chrome color without any flares.

Vantage Logo above the handle (could be green, yellow, red to distinguish the 3 models if they wish)

Keep it simple and classy like the customs line.

Totally agree exactly what I think.....simple like the rest of the rackets, I like the chrome.
 

coolblue123

Hall of Fame
Went out last night and put 2 inch of lead (.25 thickness) on the 12 on my BC30. Would not suggest it. It was ugly. Didn't match the type of groundstrokes I have (hit through with a slight wrist twist). Racquet was twisting alittle more than I like. I guess it's due to the flexiness.
However, my hitting partner loved it! He has a "brushing up," heavy topspin style groundstrokes.
 

Ross K

Legend
Had a brief non-serious hit around today with the BC30. Immediately (and I do mean immediately) I was struck by that incredible feel. Soft and pockety and very crisp. Very comfortable. Very agreeable general pop level, and the few times i tried to really unload, I noticed that extra-gear power boost or whatever you want to call it. Big spin and high trajectory over the net, and you can really grab hold of the ball and must something on it. Highly responsive from the b-line. The only possible negative would be I found it a bit weak or not exactly the most solid frame I've ever played, but, hey, that's what mods are for, right? All in all, and echoing many others, I can see a lot of my APDs in this racket, but the feel is better, or at least very different. It's like a weird mutation of an APD kind of frame merged with a true player's racket.

So, a proper outing tomorrow...
 

coolblue123

Hall of Fame
glad to hear great positive results! seems like there is going to be lead tape in everyone's future. depending which attribute u want, u may want to add lead at the proper location. I always pack lead (the tape kind, haha...) on the court. it'll be easily customizable on the court.

I think I'll keep with lead at the 5/7 and handle. didn't really care for lead anything above the 3/9 level.

let me know what setup u guys are using.
 

ZeroSkid

Banned
Yes! My vantage BC20 frame has arrived and it looks awesome. Going to string it with barbwire and play with it as soon as I am recovered from my flu
 
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Ross K

Legend
Sorry gentlemen but after a set with the BC30 and a set with the APD, I'm afraid the latter blew the former right out of the water. Everything I said previously holds true about the Vantage - and I can even see that with lead artfully placed the BC30 would perform better for me. But today was enough proof... lost 1st set 6-2 with the BC30, and won the 2nd set 6-1 with APD. I just found the Bab to be more powerful, more spinny, more solid and stable, and where my swing/timing was disjointed with the VT racket, with the APD Original I just clicked right into gear and was altogether far, far more authoritative from the backcourt.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Well.

I do not have good news.

After hiting yesterday with it for 10 minutes..today I have a slight shoulder pain. But it's very possible it's coincidence.

However today I had practice and I hit with the BC30 for 1 hour.

I felt what some people wrote here. Due to the low stiffness I can feel the vibration a lot on my arm and shoulder. Its very comfortable, lots of pace, but you can feel the ball...very much.

Thinking that it could just be me, adter practice my pro hit a few balls with the BC30 and his 2 opinions where:

1) Very powerfull
2) I can feel the vibration a lot

I think weight will do the trick.

I left several posts here regarding the shock & vibration associated with the "recoil" from these frames.

While these BCs may be very comfortable for those with relatively healthy arms, they were not for me.
 

coolblue123

Hall of Fame
ouch sorry to hear about the racquet. I am at the decision point about if i should continue on my search for this years racquet. I may use my London for singles and the bc30 for dubs. as soon as my multis 's pop, I will put in some volkl cyclone 17g/ ogsm to see what results I get. my goal is to lower power slightly, higher spin, same comfort.
 

0d1n

Hall of Fame
Same here. I will add a little weight.. and see how it goes.

I've hit very little with this frame. The first time it was perfect.

The second time, not so much.

Its too early to tell.

My custom vantage has a 63RA stiffness level.. and I find it very comfortable

Different specs mean you're hitting the ball differently. You need time to adjust.
 

coolblue123

Hall of Fame
Don't know why, but I didn't feel the flex of my bc30. I thought it's alittle softer than my other racquets but not as much. I definitely didn't care for putting weight about the 3/9 positions, it made the racquet felt polarized. Really threw off my groundies. Perhaps that's when I really felt the flexiness?
 

SJSA

Professional
I will have a BC30 on coming Monday.
What is the best poly and tension setup for this racket?
I recently strung with Kirschbaum Pro Line Evolution 17g (51 lb) for my EXO3 Tour but it feels too elastic due to the soft poly.
I might not string with soft poly with BC30 to avoid the feel.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
19RA??

Thats a typo... for certain..

You'd never know. According to TW University, the Khamsin Five is the racquet with the least amount of vibration. Not only that, there are many, many customer feedbacks praising its arm comfort.

Perhaps we've got the most noodle-like frame here.
 
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coolblue123

Hall of Fame
What do you mean with "polarized"?

Cheers!

Polarized is like the weight distribution feels unevenly distributed either at the top or end of the racquet. If the polarization is at the top, it'll feel like the racquet is moving faster then your swinging it. if at the end, it'll make it very headlight so serving will be weaker because no force.

It's sort of like sticking a rock on top of your bat while swinging.
 

SJSA

Professional
I just came back from a court.
Kirschbaum PL Evolution finally settled down on my EXO3 Tour after 4hrs playing time.
Any other string and tension recommendtion for BC30?
 

coolblue123

Hall of Fame
Just hit again today with my BC30. Now with 8g of added weight at 3 and 9.

I'm not loving it :(

try it at 5/7 You'll get much better results.

Also, remember whatever weight you put on the head, you'll need to match on the handle. Or else you'll be swinging with a polarized bat.
 

neverstopplaying

Professional
Polarized is like the weight distribution feels unevenly distributed either at the top or end of the racquet. If the polarization is at the top, it'll feel like the racquet is moving faster then your swinging it. if at the end, it'll make it very headlight so serving will be weaker because no force.

It's sort of like sticking a rock on top of your bat while swinging.

Hey Coolblue123,

I'm pretty sure your definition of polarized is incorrect. My understanding is that it refers to racquets that have more weight concentrated at BOTH poles (head and handle) and less in the throat. When adding weight in the hoop AND then add some in the handle, you're actually increasing polarization. What leading the hoop and then counterbalancing with weight in the handle, the main purpose is usually to maintain the same balance.

I played for about a year with a heavily weighted 4D-300, and also added quit a bit in the throat - this decreases the polarization.

On a general note, I just received my 2 BC20s but didn't get a chance to hit with them yet. I'll probably add weight in the hoop to increase the SW and make it a little less head light. I post any comments if I've got something to add.
 

oti

New User
Hey Coolblue123,

I'm pretty sure your definition of polarized is incorrect. My understanding is that it refers to racquets that have more weight concentrated at BOTH poles (head and handle) and less in the throat. When adding weight in the hoop AND then add some in the handle, you're actually increasing polarization. What leading the hoop and then counterbalancing with weight in the handle, the main purpose is usually to maintain the same balance.

I played for about a year with a heavily weighted 4D-300, and also added quit a bit in the throat - this decreases the polarization.

On a general note, I just received my 2 BC20s but didn't get a chance to hit with them yet. I'll probably add weight in the hoop to increase the SW and make it a little less head light. I post any comments if I've got something to add.

please do...thinking i'm gonna try some @ 5 & 7 too...an lower the string tension down to 52
 

coolblue123

Hall of Fame
Hey Coolblue123,

I'm pretty sure your definition of polarized is incorrect. My understanding is that it refers to racquets that have more weight concentrated at BOTH poles (head and handle) and less in the throat. When adding weight in the hoop AND then add some in the handle, you're actually increasing polarization. What leading the hoop and then counterbalancing with weight in the handle, the main purpose is usually to maintain the same balance.

I played for about a year with a heavily weighted 4D-300, and also added quit a bit in the throat - this decreases the polarization.

On a general note, I just received my 2 BC20s but didn't get a chance to hit with them yet. I'll probably add weight in the hoop to increase the SW and make it a little less head light. I post any comments if I've got something to add.

I guess there has been some talk about this. According to this thread, seems like when a racquet has alot of weight on only one end is defined as polarized.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=398044

Let me know what you come up with as well. I am also curious what the official definition is as there has been much talk about this before.

But I am almost ready to sell my BC30. Had a nice playtest with it! Really enjoy this racquet. The arm friendliness, spin, and power combo is excellent. Probably expect it to go on the forums classifieds in a couple of weeks.
 

SJSA

Professional
I finally got my BC30 yesterday.
I am not able to find its tension range info either on the racket or the website.
Does anyone know about it?
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
It will be interesting to watch the "for sale" section here to see if people try to get back a little more than the $100 they paid for these things.
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
scotus
I imagine the majority of Bastcore racquets that are put up for sale in the next month or two were purchased on sale. Lots of impulse purchases made for 100 dollars, no chance to demo.
 
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