Vapor Pro 2 vs Vapor 11

gino

Legend
I know they each have dedicated threads, but this one is strictly for comparison purposes only

Post your thoughts on the comparison between the two

Anyone else pissed off they look nearly identical from a design perspective? could a non-gear head tell the difference 25 feet away?

Also from a tech perspective both have the same cushion tech with slightly different outsoles. Outsoles are nearly identical, though.

I miss the vapor 6… which in 2009 had zoom in the heel and premium foam lunarlite/lunarlon in the forefoot… that was nearly 15 years ago and Nike now “features” two flagship vapor shoes with only forefoot cushion tech… bummer

Current breakout of ATP/WTA pros who chose a shoe within the vapor line:

VP2 - rublev, kvitova, khachenov, azarenka

vapor 11: musetti, andresscu, svitolina, kyle edmund, badosa

still wearing vapor pro: alcaraz, rune, fritz, kygrios, korda

vapor 10: madison keys

9/9.5: bencic and dimitrov
 
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Chairman3

Hall of Fame
Pissed it feels like Nike is trying to sell the same shoe twice.

Neither seems to be even a remote successor to the Vapor line. At least even the Vapor Pro had a similar silhouette to prior Vapors
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Pissed it feels like Nike is trying to sell the same shoe twice.

Neither seems to be even a remote successor to the Vapor line. At least even the Vapor Pro had a similar silhouette to prior Vapors

Now we have the Vapor 9.5 again though...isn't that what all the Vapor fans wanted?
 

gino

Legend
Now we have the Vapor 9.5 again though...isn't that what all the Vapor fans wanted?
it's totally redeeming from a legacy consumer perspective, but we also have to think about the future too....

is this really the model for the future? they're going to release two shoes with near identical styling and naming convetions?

what happened to them having a speed shoe (vapor) and durability shoe (cage)? the strategy remain perplexing and the shoes contradict each other.

for example: vapor pro 2 has a $40 lower price point but has a better tongue and cushioning?
 

gino

Legend
Pissed it feels like Nike is trying to sell the same shoe twice.

Neither seems to be even a remote successor to the Vapor line. At least even the Vapor Pro had a similar silhouette to prior Vapors

agreed. vapor pro had the X outsole which made it somewhat tangential. now we have two new shoes with no clear thread to trace back to the vapor X or even vapor pro. muddying the waters for consumers is not the way to go in a category where consumers want consistency and predictability
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
it's totally redeeming from a legacy consumer perspective, but we also have to think about the future too....

is this really the model for the future? they're going to release two shoes with near identical styling and naming convetions?

what happened to them having a speed shoe (vapor) and durability shoe (cage)? the strategy remain perplexing and the shoes contradict each other.

for example: vapor pro 2 has a $40 lower price point but has a better tongue and cushioning?

We still have a Cage, no? I'm sure there is a replacement for Cage4 in the works.

Then we have the Vapor 9.5, which obviously was the peak of that concept--the X and Pro v1 were questionable improvements if at all. Nike seem to be admitting that the 9.5 was the ultimate expression of that concept, so for the ppl who want that...here it is again. A miracle.

The Vapor 11 is the ultimate performance shoe, the Pro v2 obviously a slightly tamer more comfortable version. What's hard to understand?
 

gino

Legend
We still have a Cage, no? I'm sure there is a replacement for Cage4 in the works.

Then we have the Vapor 9.5, which obviously was the peak of that concept--the X and Pro v1 were questionable improvements if at all. Nike seem to be admitting that the 9.5 was the ultimate expression of that concept, so for the ppl who want that...here it is again. A miracle.

The Vapor 11 is the ultimate performance shoe, the Pro v2 obviously a slightly tamer more comfortable version. What's hard to understand?

Based on the catalog, im not so sure we still have a cage. Wouldnt that have dropped today?

Im all for giving Nike the benefit of the doubt. Im still a brand loyalist, but we cant ignore the fact they took the same last and made two shoes out of it. Lazy design and strategic efforts. What;s hard to understand is that the "ultimate performance shoe" has less features on it than the pro 2 which is supposedly scaled back. If you look at the descriptions you'll see more cushion and upper features in the pro 2 than the 11
 

gino

Legend
also if were going to call the vapor 11 apart of that series, where is the adaptive fit system? where is the focus on speed? they added a bulky/stiff lateral plastic piece for what purpose? does that enhance the performance of a speed oriented shoe?

Nike post 2019 remains perplexing
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Based on the catalog, im not so sure we still have a cage. Wouldnt that have dropped today?

Im all for giving Nike the benefit of the doubt. Im still a brand loyalist, but we cant ignore the fact they took the same last and made two shoes out of it. Lazy design and strategic efforts. What;s hard to understand is that the "ultimate performance shoe" has less features on it than the pro 2 which is supposedly scaled back. If you look at the descriptions you'll see more cushion and upper features in the pro 2 than the 11

Maybe the Cage is gone. I feel like I have read both things--that there will be a Cage5, and that there won't. So there's maybe more going on there--Rafa has been the face of the Cage since the 3. Perhaps there's something to the rumors that Nadal will opt out of his deal before his playing days are done, but I also heard a rumor that the plan was to get Rafa in a Vapor in order to streamline the lines.
 

Chairman3

Hall of Fame
Now we have the Vapor 9.5 again though...isn't that what all the Vapor fans wanted?
Vapor 9.5 was mostly before my tennis career started. My brother did give me a pair of his and they were fine. Not a holy grail to me.
The Vapor X I really liked, except I play on clay and clay would get in the little "fingers" that held the laces and end up inside the shoe.
Vapor X Knit was also good and stylish but killed by a high price.
Also they probably won't have a clay version of the new 9.5 and it'll probably be priced like a re-release (i.e. double the original MSRP)
 

gino

Legend
FWIW I only wear nike. Ive had to get by wearing old shoes (vapor 9s, vapor 9.5s, air max cages, etc) for years until the GP turbo dropped. I bought 5 pairs
 

gino

Legend
Vapor 9.5 was mostly before my tennis career started. My brother did give me a pair of his and they were fine. Not a holy grail to me.
The Vapor X I really liked, except I play on clay and clay would get in the little "fingers" that held the laces and end up inside the shoe.
Vapor X Knit was also good and stylish but killed by a high price.
Also they probably won't have a clay version of the new 9.5 and it'll probably be priced like a re-release (i.e. double the original MSRP)
normal outsole of the 9.5 plays nice on clay, i recommend it. i also have clay-specific vapor 9s and they arent much better

9/9.5 has/had a couple things that all tennis players loved:
  • Adaptive fit: laces tighten and adjust to foot type
  • Traditional cushioned tongue (not boot fit)
  • Blend of court feel and cushion (nice zoom bag and foam)
  • THE OUTSOLE. Maybe the most important part. The 9/9.5 tread is maybe the best/most versatile outsole ever made for tennis. Perfect blend of traction and give to slide in.
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Vapor 9.5 was mostly before my tennis career started. My brother did give me a pair of his and they were fine. Not a holy grail to me.
The Vapor X I really liked, except I play on clay and clay would get in the little "fingers" that held the laces and end up inside the shoe.
Vapor X Knit was also good and stylish but killed by a high price.
Also they probably won't have a clay version of the new 9.5 and it'll probably be priced like a re-release (i.e. double the original MSRP)

Pricing has already been released, it's $170

Not awful considering they were $140 in 2015
 

FoldingChair

Semi-Pro
They’re charging more for the vapor 11 which seems to be less comfortable and contain less material than the vapor pro 2, am I understanding this correctly?
 

XFactorer

Hall of Fame
I think the price difference is for $40 more performance. Key takeaways I read from the TW retail page...

*V11 is more stable thanks to the molded sidewall compared to the VP2
*V11 has a half-booty inner sleeve for easier on/off
*V11 has thinner uppers to shave off weight

Seems like you're paying for a faster feeling and more stable shoe - not necessarily paying for the quantity of material.

That being said, I'm still drawn to the VP2 more because I haaaaaated the Vapor NXTs. I'll likely test drive both pairs eventually.
 

jeep2008

Rookie
Are these the new colours?
Nike-Zoom-Vapor-9.5-Tour-Safari-Tennis-Shoes.jpg

Tennis-Shoes-Blue-Nike-Zoom-Vapor-9.5.jpg


or this?
8bbef3_7a9521a0b8c54764811eda3b1fb1f975~mv2.jpg
 

innoVAShaun

G.O.A.T.
we’re both Nike loyalists I have to wonder how you feel about the two … maybe vs your favorite vapor (since seemingly both are trying to fill that archetype of Nike shoe with naming conventions and tech - one zoom bag in forefoot)

The first one that gets a review about being generous or wide in the forefoot will get my (y) and my $$. Another good thing to consider, is accommodating my wide orthotics without sacrificing too much responsiveness and cushioning.

I've almost given up completely on Nike shoes but still have hopes for the Vapor Pro Wides.
 

XFactorer

Hall of Fame
I gave up on Nike around the Vapor X release when I didn’t stock up on 9.5s. I came back when they released the Turbos. Now I’m stocking up on them. Hope I like the Vapors. Just ordered the VP2s from Nike directly for a test drive.
 

Yamin

Hall of Fame
The current vapors are basically disposable shoes. I thought the design between the shoes looks similar, but all shoes should have forefoot cushioning... The current vapor was awful in that regard.

Vapor was too minimalist, GP turbo was a bit bulky. Choice between the two will probably come down to if you want to slide.
 

lim

Professional
They’re charging more for the vapor 11 which seems to be less comfortable and contain less material than the vapor pro 2, am I understanding this correctly?

Less material meaning the pro 2 has the huge toe drag panel? that's a huge plus imo all things being equal
 

FoldingChair

Semi-Pro
Less material meaning the pro 2 has the huge toe drag panel? that's a huge plus imo all things being equal
I’m just going off the hearsay on the forum since everyone is in a tizzy. Until I get both in hand to compare, I’m in the dark just like everyone else
 

gino

Legend
The first one that gets a review about being generous or wide in the forefoot will get my (y) and my $$. Another good thing to consider, is accommodating my wide orthotics without sacrificing too much responsiveness and cushioning.

I've almost given up completely on Nike shoes but still have hopes for the Vapor Pro Wides.

i remember you calling out the vapor pro wide. i wonder if they are going to keep the vapor pro in the lineup in parallel with the vp2

we are similar with the wide foot issue, another reason i love the GP turbo so much. vapor pro ran regular width IMO
 

Chopin

Hall of Fame
We still have a Cage, no? I'm sure there is a replacement for Cage4 in the works.

Then we have the Vapor 9.5, which obviously was the peak of that concept--the X and Pro v1 were questionable improvements if at all. Nike seem to be admitting that the 9.5 was the ultimate expression of that concept, so for the ppl who want that...here it is again. A miracle.

The Vapor 11 is the ultimate performance shoe, the Pro v2 obviously a slightly tamer more comfortable version. What's hard to understand?

I agree that the 9.5 was the best, by far. However, I don't think the Vapor Pro was ever marketed as an improvement over the 9.5 or 10, or even as a successor.

We'll see about the 11, but it sure looks clunky...
 

gino

Legend
I agree that the 9.5 was the best, by far. However, I don't think the Vapor Pro was ever marketed as an improvement over the 9.5 or 10, or even as a successor.

We'll see about the 11, but it sure looks clunky...
It’s just the same outsole/midsole between the vapor X and vapor pro insinuates some common thread there
 

Chopin

Hall of Fame
also if were going to call the vapor 11 apart of that series, where is the adaptive fit system? where is the focus on speed? they added a bulky/stiff lateral plastic piece for what purpose? does that enhance the performance of a speed oriented shoe?

Nike post 2019 remains perplexing

I agree with all of these concerns. The adaptive fit system was a huge reason the Vapor felt so secure, comfortable and worked for multiple foot types.
 

Chopin

Hall of Fame
Are these the new colours?
Nike-Zoom-Vapor-9.5-Tour-Safari-Tennis-Shoes.jpg

Tennis-Shoes-Blue-Nike-Zoom-Vapor-9.5.jpg


or this?
8bbef3_7a9521a0b8c54764811eda3b1fb1f975~mv2.jpg

Nike clearly wants to release some colors that might appeal to collectors and fans as opposed to the general tennis player. I suspect they don't want ths 9.5 eclipsing their new, expensive releases It's odd to me: after Federer left Nike to be sponsored by another company that doesn't actually use him to market their products, Nike tennis jumped the shark. Were Federer and Mirka personally designing the shoes and clothing? Ha!
 
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gino

Legend
updated the OP to show the current pro player choices. please let me know if i missed anything
 

gino

Legend
VP2 has what most are describing as dense foam feel cushion

Interested to know what those who have the vapor 11 think of its heel cushion
 
also if were going to call the vapor 11 apart of that series, where is the adaptive fit system? where is the focus on speed? they added a bulky/stiff lateral plastic piece for what purpose? does that enhance the performance of a speed oriented shoe?

Nike post 2019 remains perplexing

The fit and lockdown is a huge issue on the Vapor Pro 2 as well imo. The previous generation of Vapor Pro was miles ahead in the lockdown department. It was THE shoe of you wanted lockdown and court feel. It had the asymmetrical lacing design which really locked the shoe down. This has been replaced in the new model VP2 with a lace line system that looks like it came from a casual shoe.

And I’m not a Nike hater either. I thought the Vapor pro was an interesting idea, and it did cover three of the main concepts behind the original Vapors: Lockdown, breathability and court feel. I also loved what they did with the GP Turbos. That was a milestone shoe - the rebirth of full length premium cushion tech in Nike tennis shoes.

Fast forward to 2023 and we are lucky to get forefoot zoom in a flagship tennis shoe.

It’s truly bizarre. Honestly, I wouldn’t be suprised if there was some sort of pandemic hangover supply issue that has affected what they were able to achieve with the global production of some of these new Nike tennis lines. Maybe they had to make some compromises.

At least we have two bright spots on the horizon with the 9.5 reissue, and hopefully the continuation of the Cage 4s or a new Cage 5.
 
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The fit and lockdown is a huge issue on the Vapor Pro 2 as well imo. The previous generation of Vapor Pro was miles ahead in the lockdown department. It was THE shoe of you wanted lockdown and court feel. It had the asymmetrical lacing design which really locked the shoe down. This has been replaced in the new model VP2 with a lace line system that looks like it came from a casual shoe.

And I’m not a Nike hater either. I thought the Vapor pro was an interesting idea, and it did cover three of the main concepts behind the original Vapors: Lockdown, breathability and court feel. I also loved what they did with the GP Turbos. That was a milestone shoe - the rebirth of full length premium cushion tech in Nike tennis shoes.

Fast forward to 2023 and we are lucky to get forefoot zoom in a flagship tennis shoe.

It’s truly bizarre. Honestly, I wouldn’t be suprised if there was some sort of pandemic hangover supply issue that has affected what they were able to achieve with the global production of some of these new Nike tennis lines. Maybe they had to make some compromises.

At least we have two bright spots on the horizon with the 9.5 reissue, and hopefully the continuation of the Cage 4s or a new Cage 5.

Well Said. ^

The Vapor Pro had enough going on to separate itself from other shoes. The Vapor pro 2 is 2 ounces heavier. They are not going to have a lightweight, nimble shoe in the line anymore.
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Nike clearly wants to release some colors that might appeal to collectors and fans as opposed to the general tennis player. I suspect they don't want ths 9.5 eclipsing their new, expensive releases It's odd to me: after Federer left Nike to be sponsored by another company that doesn't actually use him to market their products, Nike tennis jumped the shark. Were Federer and Mirka personally designing the shoes and clothing? Ha!

Obviously Fed was costing them a lot of money for bespoke gear and shoes, they probably cut a lot of staff when he left.

There have been some real bright spots gear-wise since then, though.
 

FoldingChair

Semi-Pro
Was able to handle the two shoes in hand today. Unfortunately the shop didn’t have my size 10.5 and both shoes were 9. The VP2 did feel lighter in hand vs 11. The 11 was very heavy and felt like it had more structural heft/stability to it, I'm not a fan at all. Considering it’s carrying the vapor name and continuing the numbering after the great vapor x, it felt like a brick. Ymmv
 

RedClayFan

Rookie
Ok lads, today was the big day. I play tested the Vapor 11's and the Vapor Pro 2's. Very interesting, very different shoes.

Vapor 11
As someone with a slightly narrower foot it was the most comfortable and enjoyable shoe I've ever worn. Maybe the Vapor X was similar purely in terms of comfort, however it's been some years I can't say for sure. For me these felt amazing with two socks. I went half a size down from what I was wearing in the Vapor Pros which I think was a good idea. They definitely run bigger.

Aside from the general comfort of the shoe I noticed a few things:
  • You don't feel as supported in your lateral movements as compared to the Pros and Pro 2's. That's to say I felt a little more like the foot was tipping over the outside of the shoe, however not in a bad way. Beyond observing this when testing the shoe prior to play by doing some side movement drills, in match play it was never something I noticed or paid attention to.
  • The shoe is super responsive. It has the best energy return of any shoe I've ever worn. It felt like it gave me so much spring in my step and helped me be light on my feet. I don't know why exactly, but this might be due to the plastic shank and zoom in the forefoot. Either way, it really helped me feel light on my feet. I should mention too that I would consider myself a decent mover on court, I've got good footwork, so the energy I'm putting out might be higher than the average rec player (but no at all a pro level). I think the Vapor 11's are going to help you the most on your service, having a better split step etc.
  • For the aforementioned reasons, despite being heavier than the Pro 2's, they were far more enjoyable to wear and never felt heavy. I wore Cage 4's before and they were noticeably heavy and impacted my movement. These are not at all like that and I doubt club players will notice or care about the difference.
  • The lock down on the shoe was excellent for me. Just make sure to loop the outer lace around the extra lace hole and it's really good. Also, despite the top of the tongue looking like it lacks padding, the tongue itself is padded and has more padding further down. It's also inelastic and avoids the issues faced by the NXTs where the elastic tongue was harming movement and jump height.
  • Overall the fit and feel was "snug". I felt very locked in with incredible bounciness and energy return. I can't stress that enough. They felt great.

Vapor Pro 2's
Deep down I was worried I was going to like these more, having come from playing with Vapor X's and then Vapor Pros. I like my shoes light and low to the ground, but was a bit bummed with how ugly the Pro 2's are compared to the 11's. I promise this didn't bias my opinion though.

The differences I noted between the two were as follows:
  • Pro 2's are noticeably lower to the ground. I mean REALLY low to the ground. Compared to other Nike shoes this is the most connected I felt to the ground. It was almost like being barefoot. Night and day difference to the original Pros. So if you love that feeling I think these would be the shoes for you.
  • Despite coming from the same mould, subjectively I felt like the Pro 2's are more accommodating for a wider foot. I felt a bit more slippage in my foot when compared to the 11's, but only minor.
  • The shoe laces on the Pro 2's are not as good as the 11's.
  • When you have both shoes in hand, it is clear the 11 is a more premium model and the Pro 2's are a bit of a budget model.
  • The lateral stability of the Pro 2's is superior to the Vapor 11's for reasons mentioned above. It's a lower shoe.
  • Although I felt padding was very similar between the two, I felt a little more enveloped and cushioned in the Pro 2's when standing and walking around. They were quite nice actually.

From a playability standpoint though I really didn't like the Pro 2's. Despite being so low to the ground they felt extremely dull to me. I didn't feel like I got anything close to the energy return in the Pro 2's as I did with even the Pros. The difference switching back and forth from the 2's to the 11's was huge. I would say the Pro 2's are totally adequate to play in, I had no issues, they didn't bother me or impede my movement. However, when I had the 11's there to directly compare and change in and out of, I found the 11's far more enjoyable to play in.

Speculation on Pros avoiding 11's and going to Pro 2's
I'm no expert, but I think both shoes are not well suited to a professional player. I think a pro would enjoy the qualities of the 11 but likely would want something lower to the ground and with a little less weight. Custom shoes could probably achieve this through use of a carbon shank.

On the other hand, I can totally see that a custom Pro 2 with some kind of solution to improve energy return would make it the superior shoe. Therefore, it makes sense if you're with Nike and have both options, it's going to be easier to get Nike to add something to a model to make it better, rather than trying to re-engineer the 11's.

I also did my testing on an outdoor hardcourt that isn't suited to sliding, so I can't comment on how both shoes handle in that regard. I would think the Vapor 11's are not good for that due to being higher off the ground. This could explain why some women on the tour stick with the 11's, whereas many of the men are going to the Vapor Pro 2's. Something to think about and test.

Conclusion
I'd be very interested if someone reviewed the Pro 2's with a good orthotic, maybe one that could act as a shank. Maybe the Pro 2's would get the edge in that case. However, as far as both stock shoes go, if you are someone who's light on their feet and moves well, I think you'll find the 11's to be a more pleasant shoe to play in, that gives you more back. The 2's are an acceptable alternative, but you might want to consider ways to make them more responsive.
 

Torps

Semi-Pro
Ok lads, today was the big day. I play tested the Vapor 11's and the Vapor Pro 2's. Very interesting, very different shoes.

Vapor 11
As someone with a slightly narrower foot it was the most comfortable and enjoyable shoe I've ever worn. Maybe the Vapor X was similar purely in terms of comfort, however it's been some years I can't say for sure. For me these felt amazing with two socks. I went half a size down from what I was wearing in the Vapor Pros which I think was a good idea. They definitely run bigger.

Aside from the general comfort of the shoe I noticed a few things:
  • You don't feel as supported in your lateral movements as compared to the Pros and Pro 2's. That's to say I felt a little more like the foot was tipping over the outside of the shoe, however not in a bad way. Beyond observing this when testing the shoe prior to play by doing some side movement drills, in match play it was never something I noticed or paid attention to.
  • The shoe is super responsive. It has the best energy return of any shoe I've ever worn. It felt like it gave me so much spring in my step and helped me be light on my feet. I don't know why exactly, but this might be due to the plastic shank and zoom in the forefoot. Either way, it really helped me feel light on my feet. I should mention too that I would consider myself a decent mover on court, I've got good footwork, so the energy I'm putting out might be higher than the average rec player (but no at all a pro level). I think the Vapor 11's are going to help you the most on your service, having a better split step etc.
  • For the aforementioned reasons, despite being heavier than the Pro 2's, they were far more enjoyable to wear and never felt heavy. I wore Cage 4's before and they were noticeably heavy and impacted my movement. These are not at all like that and I doubt club players will notice or care about the difference.
  • The lock down on the shoe was excellent for me. Just make sure to loop the outer lace around the extra lace hole and it's really good. Also, despite the top of the tongue looking like it lacks padding, the tongue itself is padded and has more padding further down. It's also inelastic and avoids the issues faced by the NXTs where the elastic tongue was harming movement and jump height.
  • Overall the fit and feel was "snug". I felt very locked in with incredible bounciness and energy return. I can't stress that enough. They felt great.

Vapor Pro 2's
Deep down I was worried I was going to like these more, having come from playing with Vapor X's and then Vapor Pros. I like my shoes light and low to the ground, but was a bit bummed with how ugly the Pro 2's are compared to the 11's. I promise this didn't bias my opinion though.

The differences I noted between the two were as follows:
  • Pro 2's are noticeably lower to the ground. I mean REALLY low to the ground. Compared to other Nike shoes this is the most connected I felt to the ground. It was almost like being barefoot. Night and day difference to the original Pros. So if you love that feeling I think these would be the shoes for you.
  • Despite coming from the same mould, subjectively I felt like the Pro 2's are more accommodating for a wider foot. I felt a bit more slippage in my foot when compared to the 11's, but only minor.
  • The shoe laces on the Pro 2's are not as good as the 11's.
  • When you have both shoes in hand, it is clear the 11 is a more premium model and the Pro 2's are a bit of a budget model.
  • The lateral stability of the Pro 2's is superior to the Vapor 11's for reasons mentioned above. It's a lower shoe.
  • Although I felt padding was very similar between the two, I felt a little more enveloped and cushioned in the Pro 2's when standing and walking around. They were quite nice actually.

From a playability standpoint though I really didn't like the Pro 2's. Despite being so low to the ground they felt extremely dull to me. I didn't feel like I got anything close to the energy return in the Pro 2's as I did with even the Pros. The difference switching back and forth from the 2's to the 11's was huge. I would say the Pro 2's are totally adequate to play in, I had no issues, they didn't bother me or impede my movement. However, when I had the 11's there to directly compare and change in and out of, I found the 11's far more enjoyable to play in.

Speculation on Pros avoiding 11's and going to Pro 2's
I'm no expert, but I think both shoes are not well suited to a professional player. I think a pro would enjoy the qualities of the 11 but likely would want something lower to the ground and with a little less weight. Custom shoes could probably achieve this through use of a carbon shank.

On the other hand, I can totally see that a custom Pro 2 with some kind of solution to improve energy return would make it the superior shoe. Therefore, it makes sense if you're with Nike and have both options, it's going to be easier to get Nike to add something to a model to make it better, rather than trying to re-engineer the 11's.

I also did my testing on an outdoor hardcourt that isn't suited to sliding, so I can't comment on how both shoes handle in that regard. I would think the Vapor 11's are not good for that due to being higher off the ground. This could explain why some women on the tour stick with the 11's, whereas many of the men are going to the Vapor Pro 2's. Something to think about and test.

Conclusion
I'd be very interested if someone reviewed the Pro 2's with a good orthotic, maybe one that could act as a shank. Maybe the Pro 2's would get the edge in that case. However, as far as both stock shoes go, if you are someone who's light on their feet and moves well, I think you'll find the 11's to be a more pleasant shoe to play in, that gives you more back. The 2's are an acceptable alternative, but you might want to consider ways to make them more responsive.
Got to play the VP2 yesterday coming from the V11 prior which have gone back.. I would second your insights. The forefoot zoom air thing in the VP2 feels dull in comparison to the V11. Way more responsive feel from the V11, but I hate the tongue on the V11 and the overall comfort of the upper. Both are wide enough for wide feet IMO which is an upgrade from the VP1. These will probably go back as well, but I'll give 'em a good month of wear.. The durability of either models is dubious.
 
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