Vapor Pro 2 vs Vapor 11

Torps

Semi-Pro
I love contradicctions :-D
The vp2 are shaped more like a missile and the V11 more like a sausage if that makes any sense. My feet are wide with short toes and I order half size down from my running shoes. V11 were more accommodating for my foot shape.
 

d-quik

Hall of Fame
The vp2 are shaped more like a missile and the V11 more like a sausage if that makes any sense. My feet are wide with short toes and I order half size down from my running shoes. V11 were more accommodating for my foot shape.
It does make sense. I just have to stop being lazy and go try them for myself :-D
 

Torps

Semi-Pro
It does make sense. I just have to stop being lazy and go try them for myself :-D
Order both from Nike and return one or both if they suck. I’m returning both my pairs.. I would’ve kept the V11 if not for the botched tongue.
 

d-quik

Hall of Fame
Order both from Nike and return one or both if they suck. I’m returning both my pairs.. I would’ve kept the V11 if not for the botched tongue.
true that. may as well get the vapor 9.5 as well to see what the hype is about too
 
Indictment of Nike’s manufacturing practices/costs that they can afford to let customers trash shoes and then send them back; and there’s the durability guarantee on top of that.
 

Torps

Semi-Pro
Indictment of Nike’s manufacturing practices/costs that they can afford to let customers trash shoes and then send them back; and there’s the durability guarantee on top of that.
I question what makes other companies think they can piggy back off Nikes pricing bumps over the years and not stand behind their product in the same manner. Even ASICS 6 month guarantee is a joke. Do they even offer it anymore?
 

Znak

Hall of Fame
Ok lads, today was the big day. I play tested the Vapor 11's and the Vapor Pro 2's. Very interesting, very different shoes.

Vapor 11
As someone with a slightly narrower foot it was the most comfortable and enjoyable shoe I've ever worn. Maybe the Vapor X was similar purely in terms of comfort, however it's been some years I can't say for sure. For me these felt amazing with two socks. I went half a size down from what I was wearing in the Vapor Pros which I think was a good idea. They definitely run bigger.

Aside from the general comfort of the shoe I noticed a few things:
  • You don't feel as supported in your lateral movements as compared to the Pros and Pro 2's. That's to say I felt a little more like the foot was tipping over the outside of the shoe, however not in a bad way. Beyond observing this when testing the shoe prior to play by doing some side movement drills, in match play it was never something I noticed or paid attention to.
  • The shoe is super responsive. It has the best energy return of any shoe I've ever worn. It felt like it gave me so much spring in my step and helped me be light on my feet. I don't know why exactly, but this might be due to the plastic shank and zoom in the forefoot. Either way, it really helped me feel light on my feet. I should mention too that I would consider myself a decent mover on court, I've got good footwork, so the energy I'm putting out might be higher than the average rec player (but no at all a pro level). I think the Vapor 11's are going to help you the most on your service, having a better split step etc.
  • For the aforementioned reasons, despite being heavier than the Pro 2's, they were far more enjoyable to wear and never felt heavy. I wore Cage 4's before and they were noticeably heavy and impacted my movement. These are not at all like that and I doubt club players will notice or care about the difference.
  • The lock down on the shoe was excellent for me. Just make sure to loop the outer lace around the extra lace hole and it's really good. Also, despite the top of the tongue looking like it lacks padding, the tongue itself is padded and has more padding further down. It's also inelastic and avoids the issues faced by the NXTs where the elastic tongue was harming movement and jump height.
  • Overall the fit and feel was "snug". I felt very locked in with incredible bounciness and energy return. I can't stress that enough. They felt great.

Vapor Pro 2's
Deep down I was worried I was going to like these more, having come from playing with Vapor X's and then Vapor Pros. I like my shoes light and low to the ground, but was a bit bummed with how ugly the Pro 2's are compared to the 11's. I promise this didn't bias my opinion though.

The differences I noted between the two were as follows:
  • Pro 2's are noticeably lower to the ground. I mean REALLY low to the ground. Compared to other Nike shoes this is the most connected I felt to the ground. It was almost like being barefoot. Night and day difference to the original Pros. So if you love that feeling I think these would be the shoes for you.
  • Despite coming from the same mould, subjectively I felt like the Pro 2's are more accommodating for a wider foot. I felt a bit more slippage in my foot when compared to the 11's, but only minor.
  • The shoe laces on the Pro 2's are not as good as the 11's.
  • When you have both shoes in hand, it is clear the 11 is a more premium model and the Pro 2's are a bit of a budget model.
  • The lateral stability of the Pro 2's is superior to the Vapor 11's for reasons mentioned above. It's a lower shoe.
  • Although I felt padding was very similar between the two, I felt a little more enveloped and cushioned in the Pro 2's when standing and walking around. They were quite nice actually.

From a playability standpoint though I really didn't like the Pro 2's. Despite being so low to the ground they felt extremely dull to me. I didn't feel like I got anything close to the energy return in the Pro 2's as I did with even the Pros. The difference switching back and forth from the 2's to the 11's was huge. I would say the Pro 2's are totally adequate to play in, I had no issues, they didn't bother me or impede my movement. However, when I had the 11's there to directly compare and change in and out of, I found the 11's far more enjoyable to play in.

Speculation on Pros avoiding 11's and going to Pro 2's
I'm no expert, but I think both shoes are not well suited to a professional player. I think a pro would enjoy the qualities of the 11 but likely would want something lower to the ground and with a little less weight. Custom shoes could probably achieve this through use of a carbon shank.

On the other hand, I can totally see that a custom Pro 2 with some kind of solution to improve energy return would make it the superior shoe. Therefore, it makes sense if you're with Nike and have both options, it's going to be easier to get Nike to add something to a model to make it better, rather than trying to re-engineer the 11's.

I also did my testing on an outdoor hardcourt that isn't suited to sliding, so I can't comment on how both shoes handle in that regard. I would think the Vapor 11's are not good for that due to being higher off the ground. This could explain why some women on the tour stick with the 11's, whereas many of the men are going to the Vapor Pro 2's. Something to think about and test.

Conclusion
I'd be very interested if someone reviewed the Pro 2's with a good orthotic, maybe one that could act as a shank. Maybe the Pro 2's would get the edge in that case. However, as far as both stock shoes go, if you are someone who's light on their feet and moves well, I think you'll find the 11's to be a more pleasant shoe to play in, that gives you more back. The 2's are an acceptable alternative, but you might want to consider ways to make them more responsive.
How's your experience with the 11s after a few months now? I finally got to try them on in store and man they feel really really nice
 

RedClayFan

Rookie
How's your experience with the 11s after a few months now? I finally got to try them on in store and man they feel really really nice
I returned them very shortly after testing as I put a hole through the toe area. There's no protection so this just isn't a shoe that works on hardcore. Major design flaw as mentioned by myself and many others.
 

Znak

Hall of Fame
I returned them very shortly after testing as I put a hole through the toe area. There's no protection so this just isn't a shoe that works on hardcore. Major design flaw as mentioned by myself and many others.
Appreciate it
 

Cowboy

Rookie
The sale on the Vapor Pro 2 has it at an appealing price. The reviews that I've read make me lean toward the Pro 2. Sounds like it is softer and more cushioned.

I'm currently wearing the Adidas Ubersonic 4 and the balls of my feet will hurt after a match. Didn't have that issue on the previous Ubersonic 4 that I wore, but for some reason I do with these. Looking to change it up and try out the Nike.
 

gino

Legend
Glad you revived this @Cowboy

What was the consensus folks, which was the "better" more "high performance" shoe worthy of the Vapor name?
Neither tbh. They both have horrible uppers that don’t breathe or feel lightweight. The only redeeming qualities are the “exposed” zoom units

I just bought the v11 Mac attack and I’ve not been more disappointed with the step in comfort of a shoe in my tennis playing life. The encased midsole feels like cinderblocks underfoot. Nike should be ashamed

I’d be done with them if they didn’t drop the 9.5 reissue
 

gino

Legend
The sale on the Vapor Pro 2 has it at an appealing price. The reviews that I've read make me lean toward the Pro 2. Sounds like it is softer and more cushioned.

I'm currently wearing the Adidas Ubersonic 4 and the balls of my feet will hurt after a match. Didn't have that issue on the previous Ubersonic 4 that I wore, but for some reason I do with these. Looking to change it up and try out the Nike.
I will agree the midsole of the VP2 is more cushioned than the v11, however that’s not saying much. The VP2 as least has a typical foam underfoot. The way the v11 encases the cushion literally makes me feel like concrete is strapped to my foot
 

Chairman3

Hall of Fame
Neither tbh. They both have horrible uppers that don’t breathe or feel lightweight. The only redeeming qualities are the “exposed” zoom units

I just bought the v11 Mac attack and I’ve not been more disappointed with the step in comfort of a shoe in my tennis playing life. The encased midsole feels like cinderblocks underfoot. Nike should be ashamed

I’d be done with them if they didn’t drop the 9.5 reissue
Yeah I was digging the Mac Attacks but bought a pair of each if the 9.5s instead.
 
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