XFactorer
Hall of Fame
Well, I don't think they've decided to end it just yet... they're still selling it for full price and everything... but of course, y'know... once you buy it, they'll decide to discontinue it. ;-)
VCore Tour F
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Well, I don't think they've decided to end it just yet... they're still selling it for full price and everything... but of course, y'know... once you buy it, they'll decide to discontinue it. ;-)
Hollywood401k
Semi-Pro
Playtest vids are out http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/productvideo.html?pcode=VCTF93
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Sounds good, leaded up to 350g 10 points headlight would be perfect. Presumably lead would have to be under pallet so as not to disturb aerodynamics, or is that considered bs?
Sounds good, leaded up to 350g 10 points headlight would be perfect. Presumably lead would have to be under pallet so as not to disturb aerodynamics, or is that considered bs?
Easy Rider
Professional
It is good to have Andy as playtester for these "players" rackets. Chris is valuable also.
Of course everyone should follow playtesters oppinion who play similar to urself
Of course everyone should follow playtesters oppinion who play similar to urself
Easy Rider
Professional
No backdoor in handle?
kimguroo
Legend
Sony sensor ready rackets have a trap door so it can be easily removed but inside of handle is Form filled. There is small space to put blue stick or putty type materials.
Easy Rider
Professional
I would put a leather grip on. I was more concerned about adding lead to the hoop. One of the new "technologies" is meant to be aero fins. Sticking lead tape on would presumably ruin these?
Easy Rider
Professional
Leather grip could be a solution, yes. Maybe lead tapes beneath it wouldnt make problems.
How about putting lead under the bumper ?!
How about putting lead under the bumper ?!
XFactorer
Hall of Fame
To me, it feels crisp and flat. But "crisp" is relative since it feels much more like a closed 18x20 string pattern than a lively 16x19.
I hit with the 97 310 today briefly. It came in at 11.7 with the supplied damper and was 7.5 points head light strung with a multi. Only hit a little while because I could feel some discomfort from off center hits. The sweet spot seemed small but felt great when hit there. Good spin, good power and control,not great, great slice tho. It is softer than the first red V core line which was too stiff for me. I liked it better than the V Core tour G, swung easier and had more power. It really did everything well except for the discomfort I felt at times. Since I play with leaded up Pro Kennex Q Tour 295's with an RA of 58 I'm probably not the best judge tho, and it may feel fine to others. I demoed it along with a Pure Control Tour which was plusher for sure for reference for those who know that racquet, less power on the bab tho. I'm 3.5.
That could be the difference, strings. The bab had an old multi that moved around a lot and might have been dead. The yonex was brand new, never played, also with a multi but not sure what it was, said demo string on it, new string jobs always feel lively and more powerful to me.
On the other hand they have their mainstream consumer models, so it is nice of them to provide a model for people to modify. It is easy and fun to do.
Edberg23
Rookie
dje31
Professional
I must say, for all the hype and interest leading up to these, now that they're out, it's mostly < crickets >
Not sure when TW will have demos, but imagine they'll be scarce once they get them in.
My local shop apparently has one, but it's currently checked out. They're supposed to call me when it's back in.
Not buying blind without a demo, especially since the stiffness is the wild card, and beyond my typical level of tolerance.
Not sure when TW will have demos, but imagine they'll be scarce once they get them in.
My local shop apparently has one, but it's currently checked out. They're supposed to call me when it's back in.
Not buying blind without a demo, especially since the stiffness is the wild card, and beyond my typical level of tolerance.
1HBHfanatic
Legend
agreed
the videos say its a stiff racquet.. not good
i expect the swing weight to be good, but the stability is what i want to check out also
i was lookin at the 97" racquet, for doubles play, but now im kinda wondering if the 93" with the isometric head shape is what im missing
i am going from a 93" wilson.k.blade, and vcore was my next contender for a switch
dimcher
Rookie
Finally I had a chance to play with F93.
Characteristics: Overgip + dampener = 336gr. 57lbs yonex 850 pro.
Started playing with Yonex in 2007 RDS001 midplus (was my favorite for 2 years), XL 95 (control), then played with VCORE 98 (till it cracked in the middle), vcore 97 (310gr, 1 year, injured my elbow: both tennis and golfing.), switched to RDIS 100 midplus (about I year, liked a lot), tried RDIS 93 (liked it but too heavy), last year VCORE 95 customized version (excellent, but a bit too heavy as I spend up to 8 hours a day and my elbow was injured). Last month I played with G97 (very stable and good balanced). Basically we try any new yonex rackets as my son plays on pro level. I had a dream to have a racquet with the weight of vcore 98 with vcore 95 precision, feeling ability as vcore 97 and less power as rdis 100 midplus. Last 2 days I played with F93. Elbow pain is very critical criteria to me. The head size is not a problem at all as it is very close to 95. Very low power level. Very good balanced racquet with a lot of control and precision. I really enjoyed playing it on any position, especially volleys. It reminded me XL 95 (290gr) with more weight. Serving was close to vcore 97 (310). Excellent! Slices perfect. Played 5 hours and always monitored my elbow. After one day I have no pain in my elbow! My opinion it is a very special racquet with the ability to add more weight and to be customized according to your habits. I really enjoyed it. No regret buying it.
Characteristics: Overgip + dampener = 336gr. 57lbs yonex 850 pro.
Started playing with Yonex in 2007 RDS001 midplus (was my favorite for 2 years), XL 95 (control), then played with VCORE 98 (till it cracked in the middle), vcore 97 (310gr, 1 year, injured my elbow: both tennis and golfing.), switched to RDIS 100 midplus (about I year, liked a lot), tried RDIS 93 (liked it but too heavy), last year VCORE 95 customized version (excellent, but a bit too heavy as I spend up to 8 hours a day and my elbow was injured). Last month I played with G97 (very stable and good balanced). Basically we try any new yonex rackets as my son plays on pro level. I had a dream to have a racquet with the weight of vcore 98 with vcore 95 precision, feeling ability as vcore 97 and less power as rdis 100 midplus. Last 2 days I played with F93. Elbow pain is very critical criteria to me. The head size is not a problem at all as it is very close to 95. Very low power level. Very good balanced racquet with a lot of control and precision. I really enjoyed playing it on any position, especially volleys. It reminded me XL 95 (290gr) with more weight. Serving was close to vcore 97 (310). Excellent! Slices perfect. Played 5 hours and always monitored my elbow. After one day I have no pain in my elbow! My opinion it is a very special racquet with the ability to add more weight and to be customized according to your habits. I really enjoyed it. No regret buying it.
heninfan99
Talk Tennis Guru
F is for F.ukushima --radioactive graphite.
dje31
Professional
Sweet! So you can find your racquets in a dark or dimly lit room. That's convenient!
1HBHfanatic
Legend
great, now their is a legimitate excuse to drink red wine after paying tennis..
drink up yall, it will do you good.. haha
dimcher
Rookie
Hi, I need it, what size do you have? dimcher@gmail.com
XFactorer
Hall of Fame
I believe the extra cross string firms up the stringbed some more to impart more control.
Just seems unnecessary to me. Is it really going to offer anything more than what is currently available - 16x20, 18x19,18x20?
But, to each their own I always say.
XFactorer
Hall of Fame
It definitely feels a lot different firmer and did remind me of an 18/20 stringbed. I prefer my 16x19 or even the 16x18 of the RQiS 1 Tour.
Edberg23
Rookie
Thanks for your review. I'm keen on trying the 93 especially. But I might be kidding myself in terms of power level. Maybe I should be going for the 97.
A.
People shouldn't get so hung up about the extra cross string. It makes only a subtle difference. Overall the pattern is still more open then most 18x20 rackets. Its nowhere near the prestige density or even the pure strike. Even the 18x20 speed rackets are denser. The spacing is different on the 21 crosses than previous models. It has even spacing with no gaps at the top or bottom. It's still basically the same density in the sweet spot but denser at the top and bottom. Still excellent spin potential. But it's definetly a control frame.
If anything the stiffness is what is reducing the spin potential due to reduced dwell time. But it's a nice crisp feel.
If anything the stiffness is what is reducing the spin potential due to reduced dwell time. But it's a nice crisp feel.
Easy Rider
Professional
Few under 80, but they were all great great great racket ?!?!
Though I would consider Andys thoughts cuz we are similar level
Though I would consider Andys thoughts cuz we are similar level
XFactorer
Hall of Fame
I couldn't get enough spin on my shots with the denser string pattern.
JJam2112
Rookie
I'm over my VCT F 93.Anyone want it?
I'm sticking with the ai98 for now.
I need more power. I've decided I'm getting too old to and weak to use a player's racquet.
send me a email. whats the grip?
JJam2112@gmail.com
Edberg23
Rookie
I had a quick hit with the 97 today. Not bad! The string setup isn't right for me (Lux Savage @ 57) but it was an interesting hit. I can see I would need to 'adjust' and make sure my technique is right when going for big winners. I want to have a go at the 93 but they aren't bringing it to New Zealand!! I would setup the strings with Yonex Poly Tour @52ish.
I would definitely add weight to the 3 & 9 oclock position to add some beef into the racket. Probably around 4-6grams.
Will update as I play more.
A.
I would definitely add weight to the 3 & 9 oclock position to add some beef into the racket. Probably around 4-6grams.
Will update as I play more.
A.
Played my first official USTA match with the F97 310 today. I lost but that's not the racquet's fault. Overall a very nice frame.
I have been playing with Yonex for a long time now. The 95D has been my racket for a long time now. I flirted with the AI98 for a few months but I eventually switched back to the 95D.
The F97 is somewhere in the middle between the Tour G 310 and AI 98 power and control wise. Which basically puts it exactly where the 95D is. Its like slightly bigger and more forgiving 95D which works out great for me.
It is the densest pattern Yonex has made in recent memory, but it is still a spin friendly racquet. Don't try to compare it to an AI98 or Babolat because those are spin monsters. The closest non-Yonex racquet I can compare it to that I am familiar with is a Radical or Prestige MP 98 (Youtek and micro-gel lines). Its somewhere in the middle between those 2.
By the way, I hit a lot of topspin already and I use Tour Bite 19. I can basically spin the ball with any racquet. Some people need a certain kind of racquet to generate spin but I am not one of those people. I think the thin, softer poly works well with it. I was demoing it with PTS for a while and it was good but not as good as my usual set up
Its a control frame. Very accurate. But it has ample power when you need it. That's why Yonex went with this string pattern. Really maneuverable. The head shape looks a little different and the racket feels really lively at the top of the string bed. When I get stretched wide, I have no problem getting the racket around. Feels solid at the net but I don't spent a lot of time up there so how would I really know. But it is very maneuverable. Its also pretty stable in my opinion FOR THE WEIGHT (Its obviously no PS97 RF) Definitely more so than the Tour G 97 which I hated BTW.
As for the stiffness, I would have never thought this was a RA66. Actually felt really comfortable. To me if feels very dampened but with good feel. The black micro core might be the reason. I feel like I am getting really good dwell time on this racquet.
Biggest pros:
Maneuverable
High Sweet Spot
Accurate
Biggest Cons
I think I serve slower but I'm not sure. Maybe just a bad day today.
Maybe I want a more open pattern but I do love the accuracy.
I have been playing with Yonex for a long time now. The 95D has been my racket for a long time now. I flirted with the AI98 for a few months but I eventually switched back to the 95D.
The F97 is somewhere in the middle between the Tour G 310 and AI 98 power and control wise. Which basically puts it exactly where the 95D is. Its like slightly bigger and more forgiving 95D which works out great for me.
It is the densest pattern Yonex has made in recent memory, but it is still a spin friendly racquet. Don't try to compare it to an AI98 or Babolat because those are spin monsters. The closest non-Yonex racquet I can compare it to that I am familiar with is a Radical or Prestige MP 98 (Youtek and micro-gel lines). Its somewhere in the middle between those 2.
By the way, I hit a lot of topspin already and I use Tour Bite 19. I can basically spin the ball with any racquet. Some people need a certain kind of racquet to generate spin but I am not one of those people. I think the thin, softer poly works well with it. I was demoing it with PTS for a while and it was good but not as good as my usual set up
Its a control frame. Very accurate. But it has ample power when you need it. That's why Yonex went with this string pattern. Really maneuverable. The head shape looks a little different and the racket feels really lively at the top of the string bed. When I get stretched wide, I have no problem getting the racket around. Feels solid at the net but I don't spent a lot of time up there so how would I really know. But it is very maneuverable. Its also pretty stable in my opinion FOR THE WEIGHT (Its obviously no PS97 RF) Definitely more so than the Tour G 97 which I hated BTW.
As for the stiffness, I would have never thought this was a RA66. Actually felt really comfortable. To me if feels very dampened but with good feel. The black micro core might be the reason. I feel like I am getting really good dwell time on this racquet.
Biggest pros:
Maneuverable
High Sweet Spot
Accurate
Biggest Cons
I think I serve slower but I'm not sure. Maybe just a bad day today.
Maybe I want a more open pattern but I do love the accuracy.
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Yeah, I don't get it either. I wish Yonex would make an effort to explain what they're thinking. I have noticed that their string pattern MO since at least the Rdis series has been to make lots of squares, whereas other companies are content with rectangles (spacing between mains and crosses is equal where other companies have greater spacing between crosses). With this 16x21 pattern they have taken it to the extreme - the whole pattern, all the way out to the frame, is a near perfect grid of squares. But, Yonex, what's the bloody point? Tell us it's something other than a marketing gimmick.
I would too. And doing that might have advantages, if you up the tension somewhat to compensate: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=389303
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dje31
Professional
Two thoughts, corners:
Whether it works or not, the "perfect square" stringing thing is tangible, and obviously intentional, so probably not a marketing gimmick, but sure, I'd like to hear the rationale behind it. Arguably more tangible than whatever the flavor-of-the-model-year "technology," which may or may not even exist, let alone be provably in the racquet, besides in a sticker or marketing verbiage.
Secondly, improperly stringing, intentionally or not, could potentially void the warranty.
Sidebar: didn't one of the last or most recent Kneissl model or two have the option of two stringing patterns in the same racquet? That is, without changing a grommet strip like the XT Heads.
Whether it works or not, the "perfect square" stringing thing is tangible, and obviously intentional, so probably not a marketing gimmick, but sure, I'd like to hear the rationale behind it. Arguably more tangible than whatever the flavor-of-the-model-year "technology," which may or may not even exist, let alone be provably in the racquet, besides in a sticker or marketing verbiage.
Secondly, improperly stringing, intentionally or not, could potentially void the warranty.
Sidebar: didn't one of the last or most recent Kneissl model or two have the option of two stringing patterns in the same racquet? That is, without changing a grommet strip like the XT Heads.
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Yeah, I think it is intentional, and I actually like the approach. It think it's one of the reasons that Yonex sweetzones feel so uniform and generous. I have three YY frames, an Rdis 200, a VCore Tour 97, and an Ai98. All three have perfect square patterns in the center of the strings. The Rdis 200's squares are pretty big and nearly uniform all the way to the edges of the hoop. The VCT97 has much smaller squares, but they are pretty uniform too, only getting bigger at the periphery. The Ai98 is a little more conventional - although the squares are uniform in the center of the bed, they get proportionally larger as you move outward.
I think the approach of Travlerajm that I linked to makes a lot of sense, and that approach is similar to what YY has done with the Ai98 - denser (stiffer) in the center and spread out (and more fleixible) on the periphery. The Tour F patterns are kind of the opposite of that, and I really wonder what YY thinks this accomplishes.
Yep.
I don't know about the Kneissl. I would be a little hesitant to skip stings just because it might risk damaging the frame if the racquet was not engineered that way, but I really don't know how much risk there would be. Travelerajm does it all the time now, but he's kind of a mad racquet scientist.
I do think that these 16x21 patterns would be perfect for the Lendl setup, though. Not sure, but this approach (stiff, slippery strings in the center of the pattern and flexible ones (natty gut or Monogut ZX) at the periphery) might not trigger any warranty issues.
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TennisNapoleon
New User
I've been playing with vcore 93 since late last week and I have to say IMO this is a great racquet. Pin point accuracy, my % of my first serve is up to 80%. Sencond serve 90%. ( based on 100 balls i served out of my basket )
On the court I can control the ball well at the baseline, F&B swing feels very comfortable for my healing tennis elbow,volleys are well controlled. Strung with full bed of 17 Tourna Big hitter which are another amazing improvement from 'other' polys. Big hitter is a soft co-poly.
This racquet helps me to get on the offense much quicker and win the point at the base and the net. I am pro staff 95->juice96 -->yonex vcore93 CONVERT. =D
On the court I can control the ball well at the baseline, F&B swing feels very comfortable for my healing tennis elbow,volleys are well controlled. Strung with full bed of 17 Tourna Big hitter which are another amazing improvement from 'other' polys. Big hitter is a soft co-poly.
This racquet helps me to get on the offense much quicker and win the point at the base and the net. I am pro staff 95->juice96 -->yonex vcore93 CONVERT. =D
Edberg, I would think leading up a VCTF 93 to match your VCT 89 would provide a very interesting comparison. Lead at 12 and buttcap would get you there pretty easy. (This would also soften the frame.)
