Venus Williams should quit

[UnderratedSlam]

It's up to her and nobody else.

It isn't.

She can't qualify on her own, hence it is up to generous Wild Card donations to extend her career artificially.

With such Wild Card help literally any former pro can come back and have a "career".

Borg?

Court?

Laver?

Everyone.

 

[Mustard]

It isn't.

She can't qualify on her own, hence it is up to generous Wild Card donations to extend her career artificially.

She can enter the qualifiers if they don't give her wildcards.

 

[jindra]

It isn't.

You think the opinion of a random guy in Belgrade is important here?

 

[UnderratedSlam]

She can enter the qualifiers if they don't give her wildcards.

Her ranking isn't good enough for qualifiers at big events.

And she'd lose there too very likely.

Why doesn't she try? Allegedly she likes tennis so much yet wants to skip qualifying.

Does not compute. "Likes playing tennis... skips qualifying."

 

[UnderratedSlam]

You think the opinion of a random guy in Belgrade is important here?

Important enough for you to respond to it......... along with the other 57 replies to me today.

My biggest fan.

I'll sign the autograph later. Be patient.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Again, who would pay Venus for what?
I have seen no ads or commercials with her in the last 10 years?
Federer, Graf, Nadal - even Djokovic and Serena. But never Venus.

I literally saw a Venus commercial yesterday. Have several seats

 

[Bambooman]

I often wonder if Venus ever does any training outside the court. Weights, plyometrics, running?

Lately she just looks incredibly slow and awkward and much more so than can be accounted for merely from being "old".

Whenever I see her try to hustle for a ball she looks like a supermodel having a heels catastrophe on the runway.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

I often wonder if Venus ever does any training outside the court. Weights, plyometrics, running?

Lately she just looks incredibly slow and awkward and much more so than can be accounted for merely from being "old".

Whenever I see her try to hustle for a ball she looks like a supermodel having a heels catastrophe on the runway.

Hobby pro.

 

[MichaelNadal]

I often wonder if Venus ever does any training outside the court. Weights, plyometrics, running?

Lately she just looks incredibly slow and awkward and much more so than can be accounted for merely from being "old".

Whenever I see her try to hustle for a ball she looks like a supermodel having a heels catastrophe on the runway.

See her Instagram. She does live workouts often too.

 

[Bambooman]

See her Instagram. She does live workouts often too.

Well then it's over.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Well then it's over.

I agree, but I'm more than happy watching her play. Not many can say they had a better career than her.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Venus giving us the content we need

 

[Hoi Polloi]

Venus giving us the content we need

Almost as narcissistic as her sister.

 

[14OuncesStrung]

Venus & Serena have no class.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Almost as narcissistic as her sister.

Venus & Serena have no class.

Turn your Jesus up

 

[fishpiefriday]

Her ranking isn't good enough for qualifiers at big events.

And she'd lose there too very likely.

Why doesn't she try? Allegedly she likes tennis so much yet wants to skip qualifying.

Does not compute. "Likes playing tennis... skips qualifying."

She skips qualifying because she can, simple as that.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

She skips qualifying because she can, simple as that.

That contradicts the theory that she loves playing tennis.

Playing tennis. As in showing up on court and hitting balls to an opponent. Which happens in qualifying, not just the main draw.

 

[DutchUncle]

I really dislike Wild Cards going to washed up former champions. It's one thing if they are coming back from injury and have an artificially low ranking, but they should really be used for up and comers.

Agreed.
There's a separate Champions Tour for men. Don't know if there's a senior/champions tour in the WTA. Venus and other past players could tour in something like that, where they'd be more competitive with each other, and have a lot of fun even if that means a diminished general audience draw.

 

[FrontHeadlock]

Good Lord I didn’t realize Venus was ranked ~1000!

Yeah, she’s definitely selfishly taking Wild Cards at big events from younger players.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Good Lord I didn’t realize Venus was ranked ~1000!

Yeah, she’s definitely selfishly taking Wild Cards at big events from younger players.

She's behaving like a hobby pro.

This literally means that she isn't invested in tennis fully, like a professional as she used to do, but decides to play a match here or there, on a whim, because "it's fun". And I mean fun for her to get the attention, not the playing itself.

If this is OK with the WTA and organizers then clearly they don't respect the tour nor do they respect young players trying to get a chance to pick up points... It's meant to be a professional tour, not an exho. There are exhibition events for these kinds of hobby pros or former pros.

It's a bit like a millionaire walking into a cinema and the cinema owners tell everyone to get lost because the place is reserved for a VIP.

It's almost like that, elitism.

If she had a decent ranking and still won the occasional match then the WCs would be valid. But this is not that at all.

 

[MichaelNadal]

She's behaving like a hobby pro.

This literally means that she isn't invested in tennis fully, like a professional as she used to do, but decides to play a match here or there, on a whim, because "it's fun". And I mean fun for her to get the attention, not the playing itself.

If this is OK with the WTA and organizers then clearly they don't respect the tour nor do they respect young players trying to get a chance to pick up points... It's meant to be a professional tour, not an exho. There are exhibition events for these kinds of hobby pros or former pros.

It's a bit like a millionaire walking into a cinema and the cinema owners tell everyone to get lost because the place is reserved for a VIP.

It's almost like that, elitism.

If she had a decent ranking and still won the occasional match then the WCs would be valid. But this is not that at all.

Let it all out boo bear, I know it's a lot

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Let it all out boo bear, I know it's a lot

Fake smiley masking upset, no 2,345,864,464,358 coming our way...

If facts are hurtful, just ignore them. A lot of people do.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Fake smiley masking upset, no 2,345,864,464,358 coming our way...

If facts are hurtful, just ignore them. A lot of people do.

You're right, I'm furious I still get to look forward to Venus matches after all this time what happened in 2007 happened and here she still is in GPPD, no? you better stay pressed and keep this thread visible lol

 

[UnderratedSlam]

You're right, I'm furious I still get to look forward to Venus matches after all this time what happened in 2007 happened and here she still is in GPPD, no? you better stay pressed and keep this thread visible lol

More smileys?

Shocker.

They don't mask what you believe they mask. Quite to the contrary...

I am convinced totally 100% that Venus losing every match must be a lot of fun for you and her other fans. This is only logical.

As it's logical that I should be upset about her string of losses.

"Logic" the kind I expected to read in the reply.

Besides, you can always play her old slam finals, when she occasionally won, to wile away comments like mine.

Smileys and old clips: that might "help", dunno.

 

[MichaelNadal]

More smileys?

Shocker.

They don't mask what you believe they mask. Quite to the contrary...

I am convinced totally 100% that Venus losing every match must be a lot of fun for you and her other fans. This is only logical.

As it's logical that I should be upset about her string of losses.

"Logic" the kind I expected to read in the reply.

Besides, you can always play her old slam finals, when she occasionally won, to wile away comments like mine.

Smileys and old clips: that might "help", dunno.

I'm always smiling bestie, you should try it sometime meanwhile let's keep discussing the Queen, since she is forefront in your mind. I will admit you're doing a better job of keeping her top of the page than me, for that I'm grateful

 

[FrontHeadlock]

Let it all out boo bear, I know it's a lot

Come on. This is stupid. She can play if she wants, but at her age and that ranking she shouldn’t be getting wild cards. It’s bad for the sport.

Let her get her ranking somewhere in the ballpark before giving her wild cards.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Come on. This is stupid. She can play if she wants, but at her age and that ranking she shouldn’t be getting wild cards. It’s bad for the sport.

Let her get her ranking somewhere in the ballpark before giving her wild cards.

We had Agassi playing challengers, Thiem and Stan too, and others.

So they must love tennis 10000000 times more than Venus.

 

[fishpiefriday]

That contradicts the theory that she loves playing tennis.

Playing tennis. As in showing up on court and hitting balls to an opponent. Which happens in qualifying, not just the main draw.

Well I didn't claim she loves playing tennis. I don't know what's motivating her to carry on, but by this time next year I think she'll be retired anyway.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Well I didn't claim she loves playing tennis. I don't know what's motivating her to carry on, but by this time next year I think she'll be retired anyway.

I was referring to many users here who claim this as fact.

I had my own thread on this same topic a month ago, and many fans were convinced that she's playing out of love of tennis.

Which to me contradicts all facts, as I explained on that thread.

 

[fishpiefriday]

I was referring to many users here who claim this as fact.

I had my own thread on this same topic a month ago, and many fans were convinced that she's playing out of love of tennis.

Which to me contradicts all facts, as I explained on that thread.

Well if I were to guess I think she loves playing tennis, but also at the highest level available to her. More money and attention... or whatever.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Well if I were to guess I think she loves playing tennis, but also at the highest level available to her. More money and attention... or whatever.

Exactly lol. Hulk Hogan isn't gonna be dropping the leg in saskatoon in front of 40 people brother but he loves wrestling

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Well if I were to guess I think she loves playing tennis, but also at the highest level available to her. More money and attention... or whatever.

Love of attention and love of tennis don't necessarily go hand-in-hand.

It's the attention, most likely. Or out-lasting her sister.

Bragging rights.

 

[Mark-Touch]

I am indeed a professional coach. How did you guess?

There's a difference between being a professional coach and the coach of a professional.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

There's a difference between being a professional coach and the coach of a professional.

Some professional coaches are so outdated, not worth a hill of beans on this crazy tennis tour...

 

[jindra]

There's a difference between being a professional coach and the coach of a professional.

I'm the coach of more than a dozen professionals.

 

[Hoi Polloi]

I'm the coach of more than a dozen professionals.

What is the hourly rate for your girls?

 

[Mark-Touch]

I'm the coach of more than a dozen professionals.

Cool.
So what are some of the more well-known names?

 

[jindra]

Cool.
So what are some of the more well-known names?

I will not tell you.

 

[bertrevert]

So should Murray and Wawrinka

Stan experiencing an Indian Summer............

 

[No_Kwan_Do]

I think it's probably right for Venus, but she's earned the right to decide when it's time. She'll probably stick around and pick up a few more WCs for big tournaments before she goes. I actually thought she looked in better physical condition and more match sharp than Serena did pre-USO. but she still meekly went out in R1 to van Uytvanck, and has been going out in R1 of almost every tournament she's entered recently, whilst Serena was still able to take out the world number 2 and win a couple of matches. That tells me she's on her last legs.

So should Murray and Wawrinka

Murray and Venus aren't alike at this point. Murray's still fully committed to the tour, match-fit, plays weekly, and is almost back into the world's top 40, whereas Venus has played half a dozen tournaments this year, barely has a ranking, and randomly takes WCs to events before being knocked out by players she would have bagelled just 4-5 years ago.

 

[GhostOfNKDM]

Who even cares?

Is there a difference? I haven't seen VW play a match since they redesigned the Beetle.