Looks like Verdasco is back to his SPEED!
Man, this guy has some serial problems about racquets...
Verdasco new head racquet
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Man, this guy has some serial problems about racquets...
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
What do you call the people on these forums then?
sargeinaz
Hall of Fame
People who like trying out and discussing rackets?
Aren't you sick of always having something condescending to say? You know you have a serial racket problem too. You always have at least 1 up your butt.
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What's your problem sargeinaz??? Say Chi was obviously cracking a joke. I personally found it hilarious how we call Verdasco a racquetholic but we do the same ourselves. Frames up the butt? Did he insult you or offend you? I'm in constant amazement at how low people will go because of a tennis post.
By the way, I saw Verdasco at the Basel Open last month. I can confirm he's back to the Speed XT paintjob, although I couldn't see his frame from up close.
fundrazer
G.O.A.T.
If you knew the poster then you'd know it's not really a joke. He posts this kinda stuff all the time. He thinks he's better than most everyone else here.
NikeUp
Rookie
Looks like Verdasco is back to his SPEED!
Hands up who predicted this one!
NikeUp
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
what kind of head racket is he using ??
chrisingrassia
Professional
Graphene Speed
SpinToWin
Talk Tennis Guru
Not a PJ? It was only a PJ the last time he used the Speed PJ AFAIK.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
No, he is using the PT113B.
Isn't it the i.Radical Head code, right?
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
no, the iRadical was PT113A, at least the L5 swing index one
The PT113B is the same mold, different layup
chrisingrassia
Professional
I don't even know what this means. This is such weird knowledge.
Anh Bigtoe
Banned
Hi all,
I was trolled by a guy in tt forum keep telling me over and over that Verdasco's racquet is same mold and same layup as Djokovic's racquet!
However, I read somewhere that head made special mix material formula (which is layup) only for Djokovic's racquet. Because of that reason, nobody in this world can have same racquet layup as Djokovic's racquet layup.
I was trolled by a guy in tt forum keep telling me over and over that Verdasco's racquet is same mold and same layup as Djokovic's racquet!
However, I read somewhere that head made special mix material formula (which is layup) only for Djokovic's racquet. Because of that reason, nobody in this world can have same racquet layup as Djokovic's racquet layup.
smalahove
Hall of Fame
Apparently, Radek Stepanek is (or was) allowed to use the same layup as Novak. Those in the know will prob chime in
treblings
Hall of Fame
The ultimate expert for Head rackets in this forum is vsbabolat.
What he doesn´t know about Head rackets isn´t worth knowing. Maybe he will chime in.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
That was correct a few years ago. Only Novak and Radek. It is different now. Verdasco is using the same frame so were a few other players that tested the frame. No one is trolling you. I am not sure why a well respected and most knowledgeable guy about tennis rackets on these boards is wasting his time trying to educate you...
Anh Bigtoe
Banned
Maybe he liked me.
Anh Bigtoe
Banned
He is the guy who I thought was trolling me but apparently he was not trolling me, he was helping me.
treblings
Hall of Fame
Anh Bigtoe
Banned
Yes, he is good guy. I misunderstood him. Now, he put me in his ignore list.he was definitely trying to help you
Anh Bigtoe
Banned
This guy is using the same code with Djokovic!
Arti
Professional
Yea true, however you should look up and learn as much as you can on these boards and the internet before making assumptions. Learn who uses what racquet, which pro stock codes are what, how head and Wilson and Dunlop and Tecnifibremake clones of their frames, etc. It'll be very interesting.
Federerkblade
Hall of Fame
I'm guessing you don't mean tech and Dunlop do a clone of the pt113b
Anh Bigtoe
Banned
What I heard is when Head pro players switched from Head to Wilson, Wilson copied Head racquets for that pros and so we had Wilson racquets with code H19, H22. H in the code stands for Head!
Next time, when Nadal switch from Babolat to Head, Head will do the same like Wilson! Head will copy Babolat racquets for Nadal and we will have Head racquets with the code B40, B52! B in the code stands for Babolat!
ricki
Hall of Fame
Prince also made a copy of prestige MP - Rebal had exactly same head shape as prestige mp!!!
Anh Bigtoe
Banned
So copyright law does not apply to tennis racquet industry?
SpinToWin
Talk Tennis Guru
It does as long as it is in regards to sales. If Wilson copied the Prestige mould and sold it to the public there might be issues, and there especially are issues in regards to naming. It's a different matter when Wilson tries to make a copy that is then offered to pros so that they have an easier transition, as that does not relate to sales and thus market laws and regulations. Having said that, Wilson Pro Stocks are different from Prestiges (in mould as well as) in terms of feel and performance according to those who have played both (I believe @dr325i has played Wilson pro stocks and Head pro stocks and has compared the two somewhere, though I may be mistaken).
Federerkblade
Hall of Fame
DR325i could you kindly once more
compare the PT113b to the wilson H22 57 flex and the 61 flex or so
is the 57 flex H22 very different to the pt113b or somewhat similar whereas the 61 flex h22 is very similar ?
compare the PT113b to the wilson H22 57 flex and the 61 flex or so
is the 57 flex H22 very different to the pt113b or somewhat similar whereas the 61 flex h22 is very similar ?
PBODY99
Legend
They do.
Patents cover items design, a copyright is for works of communication. So Prince or any other company can clone a Prestige or any other frame but cannot use the name,so long a design element covered by a patent is not used. An example is Head & Prince both have frames with fewer crosses but not less than the mains as Wilson has the patent on that design.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Not sure if you're joking or serious, however, the "H" code in Wilson pro stock rackets probably has nothing to do with "H" in Head.
The Wilson pro stock version of the Blade retail stick (Raonic for example) is also an "H"-something code.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
The PT113B flexes different from both (or any racket I have used before). Seems like it flexes in the hoop (and throat) vs. H22 in the throat. Not sure how to explain it, however, the pt113B with flex of 61 (vs. let's say the H22 flex 61) feels softer than the others with the same flex.
Federerkblade
Hall of Fame
So what you're saying is h22 flex 61 feels different or stiffer than a pt113b whereas h22 with a flex of around 57 has a more similar feeling .
What would be closer relatively a 57 flex h22 or a 61 flex h22 bearing in mind the differences where the racquet flexes ?
What would be closer relatively a 57 flex h22 or a 61 flex h22 bearing in mind the differences where the racquet flexes ?
daddabompa
Hall of Fame
Maybe H can stand for hairpin...or they copy original HEAD engineering code for MIA rackets, which all start with H22xxx if I recall well.
Anh Bigtoe
Banned
So Head pro stock racquet was copied by Prince and Wilson! It means that head lost pro players to competitors more than competitors lost pro players to head!
Anh Bigtoe
Banned
Your racquet knowledge > @dr325i's racquet knowledge!
daddabompa
Hall of Fame
Thank you for your kindness, but he is for sure more knowledgeable than me about tennis racquets...I just asked him some information about MG Radical MP 1st issue vs reissue and he was very kind to reply fast to me.
Mine was only an hypothesis since I often thought about it to try to find an answer to this doubt.
Anh Bigtoe
Banned
Just joking only. I know @dr325i is legend here. He is very good guy. He did not involve in debates like @vsbabolat did. He helped noobs. @vsbabolat make use of his knowledge to debate with noobs.
daddabompa
Hall of Fame
I have to disagree with you about VS, to me he has been always kind as well and helped me many time answering to my private messages.
For sure both dr325i and VS are two of the greatest and much knowledgeable person here.
Ps. Have fun with your PT57 (I participated in the auction but you played "at home" since I lived in Italy [emoji1])
Anh Bigtoe
Banned
So you are the one lost to me in the PT57A auction?
Thank you for let me won!
After I won, the seller asked me do I want to buy 2 first hand/brand new PT57A? he had 2 PT57A exactly the same.
And you know, I was stupid enough to answer I need only one of them!
I could not sleep that night after I answered.
Next morning, I emailed the seller to buy 2 brand new PT57A and he told me the other was sold one second after I rejected it!
Who is the person on earth bought my second PT57A?
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
The "22" part is the factory they make them in. Therefore, the "22" = Austria.
Newer PT57x's, PT113B, etc have H08xxxx codes, etc. since they moved production to China. My PT113Bs are H08113B
Anh Bigtoe
Banned
Good information! So 22=Austria, 08=China, how about 19?
daddabompa
Hall of Fame
Yes, I was the one who lost...I would have to pay also international shipment cost and custom duties so I stopped at 350$.
Unfortunately I did not know that he had another one identical, otherwise I would have bought it for sure...I'm looking for a PT57A MG Radical MP since a year now.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
??? I am not sure I am following you. I have not seen the H19xxxx code under the pallets or I may have missed it.
Anh Bigtoe
Banned
I am referring to Wilson pro stock H19
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
I still do not understand what Wilson H19 has to do with the Head under the pallets code that designates the country of manufacture?
Anh Bigtoe
Banned
We know Wilson's pro stock racquets H19 and H22 are copied from Head's pro stock racquets!
The logic is based on few assumptions below:
1. Head pro stock racquet has code H22xxxx.
2. When Wilson copied Head pro stock racquets for their pros, they dumb followed Head code on head's pro stock racquets and name their wilson's pro stock racquets as H19 and H22.
If H22 is copied from one head pro stock racquet that has H22xxxx code then H19 is also copied from another head pro stock racquet that has H19xxxx code.
So head may have a pro stock racquet that has H19xxxx code and nobody know about this head pro stock racquet. Only Wilson know and copy that head pro stock racquet.
You said head code 22 = Austria, 08 = China, so 19 = which country of manufacture?
