Very interesting what Popsicle says here...

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
You are not a part of the association, so you'll just have to follow events in the media like the rest of us.

They are shadier than the ATP and that is saying a lot. How long has it been since they were "registered"?

Where can one read abut their immediate goals, plans how they will achieve them, etc?
 
You are not a part of the association, so you'll just have to follow events in the media like the rest of us.
Hahahaha.

Sticking out your neck for something you have no idea about, but gladly accepting your role as a puppet. Yes, I would expect that to be the case.

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Yet another absurd comment. You're on a roll tonight! In the interests of transparency, can we have a mini bio? The 'comrade' reference betrays a wounded back story.
You are much worse in that game than you think, and your contribution to the topic is 0, so, yawn.

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You were an apostle of transparency, and now we know that apostle was Judas.
The transparency is a function of exposure, and in that regard there is a substantial difference between the compared entities. The fact that you cannot or would not make that difference is on you. Now, back to your cave.

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ford oliver

Semi-Pro
It's an association. They are legally registered entities. You can look up its articles of association if you're interested.

I do not think that the PTPA has progressed even that far but if you can find any registration or articles of incorporation or by-laws, please share the link here with the rest of us.
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
It's an association. They are legally registered entities. You can look up its articles of association if you're interested.

I do not think that the PTPA has progressed even that far but if you can find any registration or articles of incorporation or by-laws, please share the link here with the rest of us.
I don’t think the PTPA has legally formed either — I thought it was still in the pledge to support it/ planning stage — but I don’t know. :unsure:

I don’t know why the charter or bylaws of these entities would be interesting though. I think most posters if they find any interest in this area want to know the specific aims of the PTPA and the internal politics. :sneaky:
 
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Says a lot about the PTPA and their beliefs.
A lot more says that no one really knows what their beliefs are, which is a massive problem for an organisation that was created to provide an alternative for the ATP corporate governing. ATP is as bad as they get and that is known from a number of years. Unfortunately shady organisations like the PTPA are making the process of ousting the ATP even harder, as they are a place holder for a real alternative.

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Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
That says a lot about the PTPA and their beliefs.
It says nothing more than a man got upset. The PTPA core “belief” is that pro tennis players should be represented through an entity comprised solely of pro tennis players not one including tournament owners.

Why should the ATP be ousted?
See second sentence above. Or you can go and read public statements from those organizing it and/or supporting it stating essentially the same thing.
 
Why should the ATP be ousted?
They are guilty of pushing the tennis over the edge with their schemes to create privileges for the top players over everyone else, and they are not even hiding it, so they single-handedly ruined the competition in the sport and in the process made it less attractive for young people to compete or/and to succeed in it. A lot of damage was done, but the PTPA is not the organisation to tackle those problems. The way I see it, PTPA wants to replace ATP doing roughly the same thing, so it is not the real alternative. As I said, they are even shadier than the ATP.

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I understand but what do you mean by 'replace the ATP by doing roughly the same thing'?
They want more money and the rest is not of interest to them, so the result will be that the governing of the sport will still succumb to the demands of the business, and those will be to go on with the sport serving the corporate interests involved in the sport. Similar with why the ATP is now like that. Some people are under the wrong impression that more money for the players will solve problems, but the way it looks, firstly the money incentive will be limited again only to the top players, and secondly, in and on itself it will not solve all the other problems tennis has. Tennis's main problem is the distorted competition, not money.

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Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
And what will they achieve by doing that? Is the ATP not representing them well enough?
There are older threads you can review and you can dig into the ATP and it’s history elsewhere as well as public statements concerning the PTPA. Suffice to say a portion of players have been itching for a players only association for decades (the faces change but the complaints are more constant). Others think the ATP is just swell.
 
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
You've quoted nothing so all you have is mere speculation coloured by the fact that you detest Djokovic.

They are guilty of pushing the tennis over the edge with their schemes to create privileges for the top players over everyone else, and they are not even hiding it, so they single-handedly ruined the competition in the sport and in the process made it less attractive for young people to compete or/and to succeed in it. A lot of damage was done, but the PTPA is not the organisation to tackle those problems. The way I see it, PTPA wants to replace ATP doing roughly the same thing, so it is not the real alternative. As I said, they are even shadier than the ATP.
They want more money and the rest is not of interest to them, so the result will be that the governing of the sport will still succumb to the demands of the business, and those will be to go on with the sport serving the corporate interests involved in the sport. Similar with why the ATP is now like that. Some people are under the wrong impression that more money for the players will solve problems, but the way it looks, firstly the money incentive will be limited again only to the top players, and secondly, in and on itself it will not solve all the other problems tennis has. Tennis's main problem is the distorted competition, not money.
 
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
You started a thread based on the proposition that Djokovic's friend, Pospisil, should be "removed" from the game for six months.

The chillingly Stalinist turn of phrase "removed" probably got your thread removed. And all Pospisil did was swear coarsely on court.

I truly pity you. I hope you get better soon.
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
This Popsipill does not have the temperament to be a negotiator. He has insulted the ATP Chairman -- called him a *******.

How in the world can he now effectively function as a player rep and negotiate anything? Hello?



This dunderhead is incapable of leaving the meeting behind. He actually carries it onto the court with him. Surely he is not suggesting that the chair umpire is under the thumb of the ATP?
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“That’s enough. If you need to say something to him, then do it outside this court, please,” Chair Umpire Gabas said.
 
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You started a thread based on the proposition that Djokovic's friend, Pospisil, should be "removed" from the game for six months.

The chillingly Stalinist turn of phrase "removed" probably got your thread removed. And all Pospisil did was swear coarsely on court.
I didn't know that you were so aggravated by a thread about a player behaving ridiculously on court that you wanted to get it removed, just because you are unable to get out of your assigned role! At least now we know about it.

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P.S. Guys, don't tell him!
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Raudenzi and the ATP do not acknowledge the existence of the PTPA and there are no negotiations taking place as a consequence.

Pospisil has allowed us to see the 'class struggle' in action, comrade, and it's not pretty albeit more peaceful than your friends in DC.

This Popsipill does not have the temperament to be a negotiator. He has insulted the ATP Chairman -- called him a *******.

How in the world can he now effectively function as a player rep and negotiate anything? Hello?
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
Raudenzi and the ATP do not acknowledge the existence of the PTPA and there are no negotiations taking place as a consequence.

Pospisil has allowed us to see the 'class struggle' in action, comrade, and it's not pretty albeit more peaceful than your friends in DC.
Pospisil claims Raudenzi verbally abused him for 90 minutes. That is quite a long time.
Should we believe this claim.
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Where's your evidence for that? In any event, most of the top 100 could do with more money. There are no boycotts announced. Progress will be very slow for the Association.

So, the PTPA are only trying to carelessly grab more money and power for the top 100 players from tournaments through boycotts etc. (without really considering the consequences) instead of aiming for well thought out reforms?
 
So, the PTPA are only trying to carelessly grab more money and power for the top 100 players from tournaments through boycotts etc. (without really considering the consequences) instead of aiming for well thought out reforms?
Nothing so far indicates that they intend to do "reforms" in the sense I am talking about, and there is a lot that indicates that they are trying to do what I described, but I am not a mind reader. I can go only by what I see.

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aldeayeah

Legend
Well, Djokovic and his close family are/have been pretty deeply involved in tournament organization, both ATP and non-ATP (Belgrade, Adria Tour), so that description is no longer very accurate.

ATP transparently doesn't want a rival tour/a tour split, so I think Djokovic's involvement in the PTPA unnerves them more than any player demands.

For similar reasons, ATP is probably wary of Fed (who has showed with the Laver Cup that he has the pockets and connections to operate tournaments outside the scope of the ATP). Right now it seems ATP is trying cater to Fed/is on amiable terms with him, but these things can change at the drop of a hat.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Djokovic doesn't need a Players' Association to start a rival tour. He just needs to pay a lot more.

To set up a rival ATP would be an enormous operation, however, and there's no evidence he wants to.

The bosses don't like unions as it means smaller profits. It's as simple as that at the moment.
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
In any event, most of the top 100 could do with more money. There are no boycotts announced. Progress will be very slow for the Association.
The average player in the top 100 or even top 200 comes from a very wealthy background; with parents that have happily spent huge sums on their training. These players are easily in the 98'th percentile of the socio-economic ladder.

There are real fires out there that need to be fought.
It is absurd to be characterizing this situation as a "class struggle".
:rolleyes:

Pospisil has allowed us to see the 'class struggle' in action, comrade,
 
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