Vid of some casual points

FiReFTW

Legend
I'd like to see some video of you hitting low balls just to see the differences between what you're doing in the video, which seems to be mostly medium and high bouncing balls, and what you might be doing different with the low ones.

Here are low contact ones when I was doing self feed drills, seems pretty similar in terms of mechanics to my OP vid
 

Kevo

Legend
Nope. Just hold a continental grip and bump the ball back high. His stroke will only work against a straight ball.
I'm sorry J man, but you lost me on that response. He's already hitting against the high bouncing balls with the unorthodox stroke he has and it looks like he's doing pretty good with those balls. I'm not sure we're on the same wavelength. I just mainly want to see how that stroke holds up on the lower stuff or if he just naturally changes to a different stroke.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
I'm sorry J man, but you lost me on that response. He's already hitting against the high bouncing balls with the unorthodox stroke he has and it looks like he's doing pretty good with those balls. I'm not sure we're on the same wavelength. I just mainly want to see how that stroke holds up on the lower stuff or if he just naturally changes to a different stroke.
Look above in my latest vid
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
I'm sorry J man, but you lost me on that response. He's already hitting against the high bouncing balls with the unorthodox stroke he has and it looks like he's doing pretty good with those balls. I'm not sure we're on the same wavelength. I just mainly want to see how that stroke holds up on the lower stuff or if he just naturally changes to a different stroke.
Swingpath is too vertical so he will struggle against a steeply rising or falling ball.

J
 

Kevo

Legend

Here are low contact ones when I was doing self feed drills, seems pretty similar in terms of mechanics to my OP vid
I think I see what the difference would be. Looks to me like it's pretty easy, at least on these feeds, for you to hit farther out in front with a late arm rotation so the racquet face stays low. I think that came up recently on another thread of yours actually. Only problem might be if you get rushed and need to shorten the backswing, but you could always just retreat a bit further back if needed. I really don't see any problem with it if you can stay consistent and reasonably accurate with your targeting. I don't think I would ever recommend it as a technique because I tend to go with the simpler is better philosophy, but since it seems to be working for you I don't think I'd try to change it. I might think differently if I actually hit with you and discovered some weakness.

"You do not truly know someone until you fight them."
 

Kevo

Legend
Swingpath is too vertical so he will struggle against a steeply rising or falling ball.
I get it now. Not sure though. Looks like he can straighten it out fairly well on the drop feeds. I'd like to see it in actual rallies with some different types of shots. I think the clay lends itself to a little less variety sometimes, but that could just be my bias not having much time on clay.
 

mainmain

New User
omg this forehand looks perfectly fine to me. I need to educate my tennis eyes. Maybe I need to see tennis things naked. What about a naked version of the video in the OP ?
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Swingpath is too vertical so he will struggle against a steeply rising or falling ball.

J
Interesting, you can adjust your swingpath to be more vertical or less vertical so im suprized that you put down swingpath as the cause for something, hmm.

But your right that against dead lofted balls that bounce straight up or somwtimes down after I have the most difficulty, I can swing medium fast and spin them decently, but when I try to hit them aggressively and drive them fast its a bit inconsistent.

But I dont seem to have a problem when I hit swing volleys which also fall steeply so thats interesting.
 

ptuanminh

Hall of Fame
Interesting, you can adjust your swingpath to be more vertical or less vertical so im suprized that you put down swingpath as the cause for something, hmm.

But your right that against dead lofted balls that bounce straight up or somwtimes down after I have the most difficulty, I can swing medium fast and spin them decently, but when I try to hit them aggressively and drive them fast its a bit inconsistent.

But I dont seem to have a problem when I hit swing volleys which also fall steeply so thats interesting.
I guess once the ball bounces, the topspin makes it harder to time the contact, as opposed to, when the ball is in the air.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
@Dragy

Since im sick and bored look I did shadow swings of my forehand, and made them in slow motion bellow, first normal ones, then focused on making my wrist neutral instead of extended back


Certainly looks visually better after, dunno if it actually has any effect on the forehand tho, seems like after the forward swing it all becomes the same. But I don't particularly like how the cut the dog looks.

I like pat the dog better, but its probably engrained kinda in muscle memory now so would be probably difficult to reprogram.
 

bitcoinoperated

Professional
Contact point looks better than your other vid.

Backswing has a stiff pause before you pull so you are not getting stretch/extended of the ATP style forehand.
 

Dragy

Hall of Fame
@Dragy

Since im sick and bored look I did shadow swings of my forehand, and made them in slow motion bellow, first normal ones, then focused on making my wrist neutral instead of extended back


Certainly looks visually better after, dunno if it actually has any effect on the forehand tho, seems like after the forward swing it all becomes the same. But I don't particularly like how the cut the dog looks.

I like pat the dog better, but its probably engrained kinda in muscle memory now so would be probably difficult to reprogram.
Well some not-that-bad pros drop their racquets on FH side with hitting plane of stringbed facing backwards like you do:

Your "chop" was questionable with tip pointing back though...

The most wierd moment in the whole video for me is this:


If you want to tinker with your FH swing, try having your hand closer to hip like Tsitsipas does here:

Don't go that much behind the ball, give some inside-out for hip/belly level contact.
 

FedGR

Professional
That's pretty nice hitting. Good spin and pace overall. Technique seems a bit unconventional but who cares. Nice BH as well, would love to hit a BH like that. What racket do you use?
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Nice hitting but I think the girl's BH is better than yours. ;)
How confident are you about that :p

Heres some backhands in my latest practice session, some crosscourt ones at the end particular.


The girl has a solid baseline game, but her backhand is not that good, her forehand is much better, but I guess its hard to judge from a short video.

Btw @Kevo this surface has quite a low bounce so theres a few quite low balls here, since u wanted to see actual hits against low balls
 
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FiReFTW

Legend
That's pretty nice hitting. Good spin and pace overall. Technique seems a bit unconventional but who cares. Nice BH as well, would love to hit a BH like that. What racket do you use?
Pro Staff 97CV, but added lead tape to 3,6 and 9, its 350grams now strung, 335swingweight and 7headlight.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
How confident are you about that :p

Heres some backhands in my latest practice session, some crosscourt ones at the end particular.


The girl has a solid baseline game, but her backhand is not that good, her forehand is much better, but I guess its hard to judge from a short video.

Btw @Kevo this surface has quite a low bounce so theres a few quite low balls here, since u wanted to see actual hits against low balls
Is that carpet or hard? Looks nice!

J
 

Digital Atheist

Professional
Interesting that you referenced TPA Tennis above. See how "locked" your arm is even in the first image above, and even more so in the second? You still seem to be able to keep a loose wrist which is good, but locking out that arm so early at the elbow and keeping it locked all the way into and through contact (which is what you do) is a problem apparently - especially for a western grip straight arm forehand. The TPA tennis guy has another vid that is quite relevant to this issue:


Maybe I make some adjustments to that technique, or maybe not, but the interesting thing is that I actually prefer lower faster balls, and struggle most against high contact balls, not struggle in the sense that I misshit everything, but that I can't really effectively attack those balls, while I can quite crush low balls and love them, low to mid height ones, thats why I take balls on the rise alot too and stand closer to the baseline usually.
Yeah, see above.
 

Digital Atheist

Professional
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The most wierd moment in the whole video for me is this:


If you want to tinker with your FH swing, try having your hand closer to hip like Tsitsipas does here:

Don't go that much behind the ball, give some inside-out for hip/belly level contact.
Tsitsipas has the relaxed very slightly bent arm that hasn't yet fully straightened, as mentioned in the TPA video above; he has also started to supinate and so the strings are opening up and no longer face the ground. Imo these are all important aspects.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Interesting that you referenced TPA Tennis above. See how "locked" your arm is even in the first image above, and even more so in the second? You still seem to be able to keep a loose wrist which is good, but locking out that arm so early at the elbow and keeping it locked all the way into and through contact (which is what you do) is a problem apparently - especially for a western grip straight arm forehand. The TPA tennis guy has another vid that is quite relevant to this issue:



Yeah, see above.
Interesting vid, particularly because thats the thing im focusing on fixing now.

If you look at my video above you will notice exactly that.

Many forehands hit just like that not locking the arm for a long time but keeping it very fluid, look at 1st forehand for example and there are many more.

Of course there are still ones where im fully extending and waiting a bit before swinging but im working on fixing that.

And im not always hitting straight arm many times i have a slight bend or more bend and sometimes fully straight, depends.

Also im semiwestern not western no matter how the strings may look turned, ive checked many times now even after hitting and the index is even on a mildsemiwestern most of the time believe it or not.

But your video was interesting because he mentiones some other things regarding this locked thing.

The main reason im focusing on fixing it is because locking it so soon and waiting makes it less fluid and also possibly lose momentum from the drop and possibly racquet speed but certainly tougher on the joints to pull from that compares to having a more fluid momentum stroke.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Consistency beats power.

But I'm absolutely not confident in that short hitting session. I just liked that her BH was consistent. I'll take a consistent BH over a wild but occasionally spectacular BH.
Ah, well yeah i guess her bh is more consistent but i can easily attack because the balls are too easy while her fh is much more powerful and harder too attack even if not quite as consistent, so i guess its hard to really pick, but her bh is not to be afraid of while her fh can if she hits it well if that makes sense :D
 

Digital Atheist

Professional
Also im semiwestern not western no matter how the strings may look turned
That's cool. I saw another poster reference your grip as more extreme than Nadal and he is semi-western, sometimes extreme semi-western, but the actual specifics don't matter much. I would still find a way to avoid slicing the dog, but it's probably not critical and will self-correct when you get the other aspects you're working on down.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
That's cool. I saw another poster reference your grip as more extreme than Nadal and he is semi-western, sometimes extreme semi-western, but the actual specifics don't matter much. I would still find a way to avoid slicing the dog, but it's probably not critical and will self-correct when you get the other aspects you're working on down.
Yeah I noticed that

Currently like I said im working on this locked arm thing, where sometimes (sometimes less sometimes more) I drop the racquet and extend my arm fully and have like 1sec delay before swinging, so im trying to make it more fluid, and this cut the dog thing has kinda got way way less extreme.

Here you can see from today in side view how much less the cut the dog is here, and im not focusing on anything else, only about this fluid swing without locking the arm much if possible.


The 1st and the last one are the best and most fluid with least lockdown.
 
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FiReFTW

Legend
Where are the match videos ;)?
Sorry I couldn't hit with you when you came to Barcelona mate.
No worries, I fell in love with Barca, so il be going there many times in the future haha :D Maybe already in like march, do you have any cool indoor courts?
 

Dragy

Hall of Fame
Tsitsipas has the relaxed very slightly bent arm that hasn't yet fully straightened, as mentioned in the TPA video above; he has also started to supinate and so the strings are opening up and no longer face the ground. Imo these are all important aspects.
There’re two elements into this:
- arm straightening to be achieved by elbow relaxation and centrifugal force, if the swing is timed properly against major acceleration phase (around low point, like in Tsitsipas picture, not when arm is back high);
- racquet lag to be achieved with strong contribution by ESR and supination, not dominantly by laying back wrist (extension and ulnar deviation) and loose grip (fingers stretching).
The former is important to naturally channel torso rotational energy into arm and racquet acceleration along the intended swingpath - out into the ball and across at contact.
The latter is important to ensure efficient link at shoulder via ESR-lock.
Actually, the latter is not the latter, more like around the early phase of the former 8-B
 

leojramirez

Rookie
No worries, I fell in love with Barca, so il be going there many times in the future haha :D Maybe already in like march, do you have any cool indoor courts?
Indoor? Its outdoor tennis all year round here. By March it should be in the high 10s celcius.
 
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