Video - Driving Forehand

mightyrick

Legend
It was rainy out one day and I thought I'd make a video with my phone (I don't have a video camera). I just went into my garage and did a drop feed to simulate a deep sitter that I want to drive DTL using a very heavy ball. This forehand is using medium-high swing tempo. Eastern grip. Also, I'm using a Wilson kid's ball so that I don't put a hole in my garage wall. Comments are welcome.

Also, does anyone know who has the best deals on GoPro or sports cameras... as well as best return policy? I'd love to get one, but I want to make sure I'm not getting screwed on the price. Thanks all.

https://vimeo.com/84038959
 

Dimcorner

Professional
I don't think GoPro's are good for matches. I hear the battery won't last a whole match. For shot analysis it might be ok, one of the models has a slow motion setting (120fps I think?). Best Buy should have a good return policy on them so if you don't like you can return. Double check thou.

In your vid it looks like your hip swings at the same time as your arm.
 
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mightyrick

Legend
In your vid it looks like your hip swings at the same time as your arm.
Yeah, you're right. I never really looked before, but it does. I'm wondering if this has to do with my using a neutral stance on this particular forehand.

Makes me want to record a forehand using a fully-open/semi-open stance --which is what I ordinarily use when rallying. Just to see if the results are different.

Interesting observation.

(BTW, thanks for the info on the cameras. You gave me a piece of information I didn't have before. I need one that will do 120fps. Thanks.)
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
If you can swing like that most of the time in matches, you'd be one of the very top players in your circle, seriously.

So, you think you can do that most of the time? If not, why?
 

mightyrick

Legend
If you can swing like that most of the time in matches, you'd be one of the very top players in your circle, seriously.

So, you think you can do that most of the time? If not, why?
I can do this most of the time. All of my opponents generally avoid my forehand. It is the strongest part of my game -- by far. I'm going to try to record a video hitting fully open stance to show a different view of spin creation.

Unfortunately, my backhand is sub-par. So what happens is that in match-play, everyone picks on my backhand. Right now, my best backhand is a run-around forehand.

At 3.5, it was much easier for me. At 4.0, guys can consistently hit to the backhand and keep doing it. However, if someone makes a mistake and gives me a ball that allows me to run around and hit a forehand, it's usually my point.

But the backhand sucks. I'm hoping with another six months of work, I can get it strong enough to make my opponents hit more balls to my forehand.
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
With fitness you can exploit your strong FH. Position in a way that leaves 70% to FH side and 30% to your BH. Low level or recreational tennis is always lopsided and hole ridden anyway. Successful guys tend to be those who consistently utilize their (few) strengths well, be it pushing or first strike tennis or only super volley. Crappy ones are those who try to be jacks of all trades.

What's wrong with your bh? 2hbh?
 

mightyrick

Legend
With fitness you can exploit your strong FH. Position in a way that leaves 70% to FH side and 30% to your BH. Low level or recreational tennis is always lopsided and hole ridden anyway. Successful guys tend to be those who consistently utilize their (few) strengths well, be it pushing or first strike tennis or only super volley. Crappy ones are those who try to be jacks of all trades.

What's wrong with your bh? 2hbh?
Thanks for the suggestion about positioning. I'll try it.

Regarding the backhand, it is a 2HBH. I have made the change from a 1HBH in the last few months. So I am still getting the feel for it. I am still in the learning phase -- that's the only real issue. It is just growing pains. My coach is helping me work through it.

At 3.5, I didn't need a backhand. I think I have actually had matches at 3.5 where I hit only one or two backhands in the whole match. At 4.0, I need one. So, I'm working on it.
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
Did the same coach teach your FH or you learned it on your own? Just curious.

Since you don't need a bh at this level, you can afford the luxury of learning and trying it yourself. Where's the pressure? Think about it.
 

mightyrick

Legend
Did the same coach teach your FH or you learned it on your own? Just curious.
My coach (a good friend of mine who I hit with regularly) taught me the FH. Specifically, the ATP-style mechanics and stretch-shortening cycle (although he never used those terms).

Since you don't need a bh at this level, you can afford the luxury of learning and trying it yourself. Where's the pressure? Think about it.
Yeah, that's what I'm doing. I have been losing at 4.0 because of my BH, but it gets better and better each week. I'm not letting it bother me. I feel lucky just to get to play this game and play it moderately well. Success at 4.0 will come at some point.

Then onto 4.5, hopefully!
 

Ballinbob

Hall of Fame
What phone do you have? If you have a half-decent smartphone I would buy a wide-angle lens attachment (I ordered mine for $15) and use that to film your hitting sessions.

This method is cheap and effective IMO... You will be able to capture the whole court. I went to Home Depot and "engineered" a contraption so I can hang my phone on the back fence. This cost me $5

All in all, you can shoot some pretty solid videos with a smartphone, for a fraction of the price of a GoPro. If you really want to shoot 120fps as you said and that's important to you, maybe opt for a nicer camera

I'm a poor college kid so I had to get creative :)

Nice looking forehand by the way
 

mightyrick

Legend
What phone do you have? If you have a half-decent smartphone I would buy a wide-angle lens attachment (I ordered mine for $15) and use that to film your hitting sessions.

This method is cheap and effective IMO... You will be able to capture the whole court. I went to Home Depot and "engineered" a contraption so I can hang my phone on the back fence. This cost me $5

All in all, you can shoot some pretty solid videos with a smartphone, for a fraction of the price of a GoPro. If you really want to shoot 120fps as you said and that's important to you, maybe opt for a nicer camera

I'm a poor college kid so I had to get creative :)

Nice looking forehand by the way
Man, you are a lifesaver. I have a Galaxy S4 and I see a whole bunch of wide-angle lens attachments for it. AWESOME!

Can you send a pic or give the details of your back-fence camera rig? If there is a way that I could solidly mount it to record a match, I'd love to do that. I just want to make sure that it is dependable enough that it won't fall and then I end up with a broken phone.

Thanks for the compliment on the forehand.
 
Nice to see you on video Rick. That's a really solid mechanic you've got! Maybe try widening the base a little, which should help you get a better kinetic chain. I think tlm's got a similar thing going on.
 

mightyrick

Legend
Nice to see you on video Rick. That's a really solid mechanic you've got! Maybe try widening the base a little, which should help you get a better kinetic chain. I think tlm's got a similar thing going on.

Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, this one is a purposefully narrow base because I was trying to show what the driving DTL forehand looks like from me. So neutral stance -- stepping into the shot. (Although, I know "stepping into the shot" is not popular around here).

Next, I'm going to video my rallying forehand which is almost fully open-stance. Much wider base.

One reason I'm posting these videos is because I have been reading this (and another) forum, and I really see standard (not extreme) Eastern Forehand grips get a really bad rap -- and I'm tired of it. People saying you can't get great topspin with an Eastern forehand at the rec level. People saying you can't hit a heavy ball with an Eastern forehand.

I want to give some hope to my fellow conservative Eastern grippers that you can absolutely create an extremely heavy ball with this grip. I hit with more topspin and pace than almost everyone I play against. This is up to 4.5 level. That includes full Western guys.

It is all technique and practice. However, I will admit that the timing of a heavy topspin Eastern forehand is much tougher than semi-western. If I miss.... I miss badly. Very unforgiving grip for hitting heavy topspin.
 
Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, this one is a purposefully narrow base because I was trying to show what the driving DTL forehand looks like from me. So neutral stance -- stepping into the shot. (Although, I know "stepping into the shot" is not popular around here).

Next, I'm going to video my rallying forehand which is almost fully open-stance. Much wider base.

One reason I'm posting these videos is because I have been reading this (and another) forum, and I really see standard (not extreme) Eastern Forehand grips get a really bad rap -- and I'm tired of it. People saying you can't get great topspin with an Eastern forehand at the rec level. People saying you can't hit a heavy ball with an Eastern forehand.

I want to give some hope to my fellow conservative Eastern grippers that you can absolutely create an extremely heavy ball with this grip. I hit with more topspin and pace than almost everyone I play against. This is up to 4.5 level. That includes full Western guys.

It is all technique and practice. However, I will admit that the timing of a heavy topspin Eastern forehand is much tougher than semi-western. If I miss.... I miss badly. Very unforgiving grip for hitting heavy topspin.
Stepping into the ball is good. I was talking about your base before you stepped forward. Watch a pro hitting a neutral stance forehand. They have a wide base and then step into the ball. But again, great forehand! Actually, one of the best I've ever seen at the 4.0 level.
 

Ballinbob

Hall of Fame
Man, you are a lifesaver. I have a Galaxy S4 and I see a whole bunch of wide-angle lens attachments for it. AWESOME!

Can you send a pic or give the details of your back-fence camera rig? If there is a way that I could solidly mount it to record a match, I'd love to do that. I just want to make sure that it is dependable enough that it won't fall and then I end up with a broken phone.

Thanks for the compliment on the forehand.
I don't know what the exact basket is called, but I got the basket and the velcro straps from Home Depot for $5-6. Make sure you get a basket with "big" hooks so it fits securely onto the back fence.

It takes 5 mins or so to set-up the first time but you'll get the hang of it pretty quickly. This will not work indoors unfortunately

1. Put the basket ~6-8 feet up, and run some test videos on your phone to make sure the angle is right and you can view the whole court
2. Start a video on your phone
3. Place the phone in the basket and make sure the camera is flush up against it
4. Secure your phone to the basket with as many velcro straps as you like (I use two)

It's not as pretty as a VolleyCam, but it's way cheaper. All together, it will cost you $20-25 with the wide-angle lens. I've hit overheads as hard as I can at the fence and the basket did not fall. Again, make sure you get hooks that are big (can't think of a better word atm) to make sure the basket is secure. If you would like some added security measures with the basket you can bring plastic ties or something to further secure the basket to the fence. If you're creative with it, I'm sure you can tweak the design to guarantee the basket wont fall. There is always the possibility of hitting the basket dead-on with a shank or something, but that's a risk I'm willing to take.

Here is the wide-angle lens I ordered: http://usbfever.com/index_eproduct_view.php?products_id=789

Here are some pictures of the set-up I use:

 

mightyrick

Legend
I don't know what the exact basket is called, but I got the basket and the velcro straps from Home Depot for $5-6. Make sure you get a basket with "big" hooks so it fits securely onto the back fence.

It takes 5 mins or so to set-up the first time but you'll get the hang of it pretty quickly. This will not work indoors unfortunately ...
Awesome. I'm going to go get the stuff tomorrow and give it a try. Thanks so much!
 

Ballinbob

Hall of Fame
No problem. It's definitely not the most pretty looking solution, but it works. As I said, you can tweak it yourself or ask the guy at Home Depot for suggestions

Hope it works out for you
 
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user92626

G.O.A.T.
Awesome invention. I wonder if you can bend a few clothes hangers to come up with a similar setup.


said the guy who bought a spider phone holder :)
 
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