Video of Roddick's serve

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LeeD

Bionic Poster
Let's see....
5,000 juniors came up the ranks when Roddick started.
After 5 year's there were only 1,000 left. But, those who left and quit the game were replace by another generation of 7,000 juniors.
After another 10 year's, only 200 was left from the original group, but 10 year's worth of new juniors, like 12,000 more of 'em, each year.
So, you get, after 100,000 PLUS junior player's with coaching, training, conditioning, parental support..... ONE guy who can serve as fast as Andy Roddick.
Makes a lot of sense for me to analyse his serve motion.
Yeah, for sure, I am going to serve like him after figuring out how he does it......
 

RetroSpin

Hall of Fame
Yeah, for sure, I am going to serve like him after figuring out how he does it......
No one is saying you will serve like him but if he has superior technique, why not study it? Would you rather copy a guy who serves 120?
 

RetroSpin

Hall of Fame
If this explanation is even remotely correct--which it might be (or ball park) on the external rotation thing...
I think it is a great video to watch but I think they overemphasize the rotational aspect. Of course, they sell a device to train hip rotation.
 

RanchDressing

Hall of Fame
Yeah its a bit of bollocks. They said Federer gets no hip rotation on his backhand and that is why it is weak compared to Djokovics. lol
Compared to wawrinka and djokovic, he really doesn't have that much hip rotation (see video below, not by me). The angle isn't too great, but both nadal and fed don't push their hip through the backahd, compared to novak and stan. That being said, I wouldn't call fed's backhand weak.
Somax has a great idea (for ground strokes, serve I don't agree with really). You can replicate their machine with a 5$ elastic therapy band, and you should. It helps.
 

Aretium

Hall of Fame
Compared to wawrinka and djokovic, he really doesn't have that much hip rotation (see video below, not by me). The angle isn't too great, but both nadal and fed don't push their hip through the backahd, compared to novak and stan. That being said, I wouldn't call fed's backhand weak.
Somax has a great idea (for ground strokes, serve I don't agree with really). You can replicate their machine with a 5$ elastic therapy band, and you should. It helps.
Replicate their machine? How?

Nice video and response, noticed Fed rotating his hips more recently on his backhand.
 

Limpinhitter

G.O.A.T.
Replicate their machine? How?

Nice video and response, noticed Fed rotating his hips more recently on his backhand.
In addition, Federer has also been hitting through his underspin backhand much more consistently rather than the extreme chop he used to hit. Both are probably due to the influence of Edberg who, in my view, had one of the greatest 1 handed backhands of all time.
 
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Limpinhitter

G.O.A.T.
This video emphasizes a basic truth about service and groundstroke technique - the much talked about kinetic chain is initiated with hip rotation which then pulls the torso, shoulders, arm and racquet in a sequence of events that maximizes racquet head speed for the reasons explained in the video. Although, on serve, it seems to me that the amount of hip rotation that can be achieved is much less than on a groundstroke. So, as I see it, hip rotation on serve plays a smaller role in generating upper body rotation than it does on groundstrokes.

Regarding hip and shoulder flexibility, it may be true that more flexibility allows a greater range of motion which allows more power potential. However, in my experience, unlike muscle flexibility, there isn't much you can do to significantly increase joint flexibility without risking injury. Further, in my view, it is more practical and effective to focus on perfecting the execution and timing of the kinetic chain within the flexibility that you do have.
 
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RogueFLIP

Professional
I analyzed it a few years ago.

The part with the helicopter analogy for the serve seems completely wrong to me biomechanically and I've never seen anything like it elsewhere. The mechanics of the serve are not correctly discussed.
Got a link to your analysis? Curious on your thoughts, esp why you think the helicopter analogy is wrong. Thanks.
 

coupergear

Professional
I think Roddick serve can be a good serve to emulate. Especially for folks who are getting tripped up by their backswing. he basically just draws his racket straight back across his chest into trophy position no pendulum slashing etcetera as some do. It goes to show that the backswing isn't really the critical part it's from trophy on. Many times in trying to refine my serve I've had a hard time with that back swing pendulum part.

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RanchDressing

Hall of Fame
Replicate their machine? How?

Nice video and response, noticed Fed rotating his hips more recently on his backhand.
Just stand parallel facing away from something you an attach a resistance band to. Tie one end down. Take the other end and hold it around the 90 degree angle of your hip (basically wrapping and holding it around your corner). You don't need to actually attach it. There isn't that much force. Just hold it in place for the 5 or so minutes you do it. You could even tie it to some jeans or a belt or something if you really wanted. Sure as hell beats $300
 
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