Video of solid 5.5 players.

USERNAME

Professional
Wow they are 5.5. They are usta rated, they really arent hitting very hard at all but consistency and placement is nice. I guess I should take into consideration that this is the end of a match and these guys aint really young so thats prob why the pace isnt so blinding.
 

Moz

Hall of Fame
Schwake is a 4.5 and the other guy is a 5.0.

The text in youtube is a little misleading.

He doesn't look like a strong 4.5 to me - in fact he looks very weak.
 

ahile02

Rookie
Yeah, I don't think these guys are 5.5's. By no means are they bad; however I have a hard time seeing them both be 5.5's
 

mtommer

Hall of Fame
they really arent hitting very hard at all but consistency and placement is nice.
It's hard to tell how hard someone hits from video. My videos don't make look like I hit hard but I can just drop a ball and hit 80 & 90 mph. It all depends on the frame rate of the camera as well as the frame rate used to encode the video.
 

armsty

Hall of Fame
I was about to say after watching this video that I felt good about myself, thinking i was 4.0 and then watching this I reckon I could take these guys. Then I see the comments :p
 

Ultra2HolyGrail

Hall of Fame
Both are probably atleast 4.5. Usually 4.0's dont have a good second serve. The guy in white has a good second serve, and the guy returning can hit a good two handed return. I say 4.5 atleast but the guy in the white looks exhausted.
 

GoaLaSSo

Semi-Pro
really they are 4.0 and 4.5? the guy in the white doesn't split steps and is slow and the guy in the blue is really inconsistent. (this is all based on one short video so no way to actually tell)

I don't understand the ratings system at all. i really don't have a clue what id be then
 

fluffy Beaver

Professional
Both are probably atleast 4.5. Usually 4.0's dont have a good second serve. The guy in white has a good second serve, and the guy returning can hit a good two handed return. I say 4.5 atleast but the guy in the white looks exhausted.
ZOMG BUT DIR USTA CARDS SAYs OTHERWISE UR WRONG ZOMG!!!!!!!
 

Ultra2HolyGrail

Hall of Fame
Actually the guy serving looks more exhausted not the guy in white. They could just be 4.0's but it's hard to tell at the end of the match as it could of been a long match.
 

Z-Man

Professional
The footwork gives it away. You never know how good people are unless you play them, but neither of these guys is a 5.0 singles player. Maybe one guy is 5.0 doubles if he has a perfect first volley. 5.0 players don't have to hit the ball hard, but they hit deep, and their footwork is excellent.
 

autumn_leaf

Hall of Fame
reluctant to believe they are 5.5, also that was like a 2.5 racquet throw lol . he even tries to make up for it by throwing his hat =)
 
I never knew 5.5 players were this good. Their pace, spin, and form are unreal
Yes, they are like golden gods.

But...if you are 4.5+, you're thinking, nah.
There was that odd little volley that impressed me. Trash form, easy to read, but completely effective since the near court guy was way off court. Good close.
 

greg280

Rookie
you have got to be absolutely kidding... nice squash shot forehand save after that 9 mile an hour shot from the guy on the other side of the net. oh, geez, they are tired, when fresh i edit the 9 mile an hour to 14 miles an hour.
 

Ultra2HolyGrail

Hall of Fame
you have got to be absolutely kidding... nice squash shot forehand save after that 9 mile an hour shot from the guy on the other side of the net. oh, geez, they are tired, when fresh i edit the 9 mile an hour to 14 miles an hour.


These guys would dominate chris evert.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Both are probably atleast 4.5. Usually 4.0's dont have a good second serve. The guy in white has a good second serve, and the guy returning can hit a good two handed return. I say 4.5 atleast but the guy in the white looks exhausted.
Sounds like you've never seen any real 4.0's in California play.

I gave them the benefit of the doubt by saying that they are no higher than 4.0's. The truth is that I know of many 3.5's around here that can play better than that.
 

Ultra2HolyGrail

Hall of Fame
Sounds like you've never seen any real 4.0's in California play.

I gave them the benefit of the doubt by saying that they are no higher than 4.0's. The truth is that I know of many 3.5's around here that can play better than that.

Watch the video again, the guy in white can hit a good backhand. Although alot of 4.0s can. We didn't get to see the guy in white serve.

4.0's in california? I don't care what state you are in a 4.0 is a 4.0. Sure some states are stronger but if you really are a advanced player nobody will admit they are just a 4.0. Although i'm sure many 4.0's can beat some who claim that are 4.5 around here.
 

Ballsboy

New User
LOL, if the guys in the first vid are 5.5, then i'm a weak 5.0 XD.

I think they must be strong 4.0 or weak 4.5... Although I don't know much about NTRP because the definitions are incomplete and generic.
 

Ultra2HolyGrail

Hall of Fame
LOL, if the guys in the first vid are 5.5, then i'm a weak 5.0 XD.

I think they must be strong 4.0 or weak 4.5... Although I don't know much about NTRP because the definitions are incomplete and generic.
Well if you look them up they are ranked and win tournaments in 4.5-5.5 singles in usta in California. Maybe break point plays in a 'tougher' part of california compared to san diego.


chad basinger
don schwake
 
Sounds like you've never seen any real 4.0's in California play.

I gave them the benefit of the doubt by saying that they are no higher than 4.0's. The truth is that I know of many 3.5's around here that can play better than that.
Did you miss Moz's reply. He looked them up on tennislink, one is a 5.0 and the other is a 4.5 and they are from San Diego. Kind of blows away the notion that So Cal players are better than elsewhere at a given NTRP. We just need for people to post similar vids from Florida and Atlanta and we can do away with the myth. I'm from So Cal by the way.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Watch the video again, the guy in white can hit a good backhand. Although alot of 4.0s can. We didn't get to see the guy in white serve.

4.0's in california? I don't care what state you are in a 4.0 is a 4.0. Sure some states are stronger but if you really are a advanced player nobody will admit they are just a 4.0. Although i'm sure many 4.0's can beat some who claim that are 4.5 around here.
That guy had no forehand whatsoever. I know lots of 4.0's here that have great forehands AND backhands. In fact, there are ex-college players playing 4.0 here. Oh, and nobody needs to admit what they are because the computer gives them their rating for them.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Did you miss Moz's reply. He looked them up on tennislink, one is a 5.0 and the other is a 4.5 and they are from San Diego. Kind of blows away the notion that So Cal players are better than elsewhere at a given NTRP. We just need for people to post similar vids from Florida and Atlanta and we can do away with the myth. I'm from So Cal by the way.
Both of those guys would get killed by just about any true 4.5 computer rated player in NorCal.

The only possible explanations are that they play in a weak area or they have a false rating (there are ways to achieve this) or they are doubles specialists who never play singles.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Well if you look them up they are ranked and win tournaments in 4.5-5.5 singles in usta in California. Maybe break point plays in a 'tougher' part of california compared to san diego.


chad basinger
don schwake
OK, I looked them up.

This guy Schwake has never played a USTA tournament and he only has played one season of USTA league tennis in 2008 on a 5.5 team. He only played two matches and went 0-2. He only played one singles match and he lost 6-0, 6-0.

He is NOT a real 4.5 even though that's what the computer rates him. That's because the computer only has very limited data to determine his rating since it's based on only 2 matches. He self-rated himself at 5.5. Since he got killed, the computer knocked him down 2 levels to 4.5. If he kept playing more matches, the computer would continue to knock him lower until it found his true rating.

This guy Basinger played all of his league tennis years ago in NYC and Long Island. I don't think Manhattan is a very strong area and he played in the 4.5 leagues there.
 

Ultra2HolyGrail

Hall of Fame
OK, I looked them up.

This guy Schwake has never played a USTA tournament and he only has played one season of USTA league tennis in 2008 on a 5.5 team. He only played two matches and went 0-2. He only played one singles match and he lost 6-0, 6-0.
http://tennislink.usta.com/tournaments/tournamenthome/results.aspx?T=70743



This guy Basinger played all of his league tennis years ago in NYC and Long Island. I don't think Manhattan is a very strong area and he played in the 4.5 leagues there.
http://tennislink.usta.com/tournaments/tournamenthome/results.aspx?T=67179
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
I didn't see how you could search for a person's name on TennisLink to find the tournaments that he's played, so I looked up Schwake on the NorCal website: http://www.ustanorcal.com/playermatches.asp?id=140475&seasonid=0

In any case, how do we know what the ratings of the people they played against in these tournaments? Lots of people play up in tournaments.
 

Ultra2HolyGrail

Hall of Fame
I didn't see how you could search for a person's name on TennisLink to find the tournaments that he's played, so I looked up Schwake on the NorCal website: http://www.ustanorcal.com/playermatches.asp?id=140475&seasonid=0

In any case, how do we know what the ratings of the people they played against in these tournaments? Lots of people play up in tournaments.
Chad basinger 5.5 record
http://tennislink.usta.com/Tournaments/Rankings/PlayerRecords.aspx?id=655983&p=4


In any case, how do we know what the ratings of the people they played against in these tournaments? Lots of people play up in tournaments.
They could be playing senior or older ntrp tournaments there? 4.5-5.5 is a pretty big gap so i don't see how they could be playing both 4.5 and 5.5 tournaments. Heck if i know. I just think the guy in white is atleast a 4.5 based on his backhand and footwork. He is fast and has advanced footwork, but yeah his forehand was nothing but some weird slice shots. A few points don't always tell the whole story though.
 

gunbuster

New User
I'd challenge some of the doubters in this thread to post match videos -- unedited. Everyone can look like a 5.0 when you clip out all the unforced errors. Especially if you are just rallying! These guys, though they don't look like they're crushing the ball, are definitely directing the ball around and they aren't giving the points away.

I used to think as many of the posters here did -- I have good looking strokes and a great service motion. But I could never achieve much tournament success. It wasn't until I really looked at my videos with a critical eye -- noticing how many points I *lost* instead of relishing the points where I played well. Tennis players are a funny sort. We tend to visualize and remember the points where we hit great shots -- we have a very short memory for the ones we dump into the net or float long...
 

moroni

Rookie
huh 5.5s they are 4.0s just take a look at the 65-70 mph first serve i could bagel these guys anyday im only 4.5--working my way to 5 and i serve a second serve as good/ lil better than their first -- you clearly dunnu wt 5.5 is
 
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