Vliegen on Cañas!

[LeftyServe]

Wrong. A lot of misinformation flying around. This has all been debated before, below. Canas lost his appeal, the original decision was upheld. He was never able to supply any proof to support his story, but the ATP generously gave him the benefit of the doubt out of compassion and reduced the duration of his ban. Also, the ATP did not supply the medicine he claims he took.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=126299

How's your reading comprehension? Research skills? The source to which you yourself link proves your comment wrong:

"Last May, Canas had the original two-year ban cut on appeal after CAS agreed he had not knowingly taken a banned diuretic when he was given medicine by staff at the Mexican Open in February 2005."

The "staff" referred to in the quote is the physician contracted by the ATP to treat players at that tourney. And the ATP did not give him any benefit of the doubt. It was the CAS, a separate arbitrating body, who acknowledged that Canas proved his defense and that he did not knowingly ingest the substance. An absurd zero-tolerance policy which sees fit to punish even unintentional ingestion is what led to the suspension. So not only is it ignorant to claim that Canas is a "doper," but it's slanderous as well. I wonder if it's those who are the loudest in their condemnations who are the secret cheaters, the ones who revel in either the guilt or thrill at not yet being caught. They just love pointing fingers.

 

[pound cat]

This has been discussed many times, and I do happen to believe that he accidentally took his wife's (GF?) medication on accident. Besides, they found that it was a masking agent, not actual juice. The fact that Canas was able to beat Federer twice in a months time is proof that he didn't mean to take the drugs.

I think that was some other player who accidentally took his wife's medication. (Puerta???) There are quite a few excses from several players & they're hard to keep straight.

 

[David L]

How's your reading comprehension? Research skills? The source to which you yourself link proves your comment wrong:

"Last May, Canas had the original two-year ban cut on appeal after CAS agreed he had not knowingly taken a banned diuretic when he was given medicine by staff at the Mexican Open in February 2005."

The "staff" referred to in the quote is the physician contracted by the ATP to treat players at that tourney. And the ATP did not give him any benefit of the doubt. It was the CAS, a separate arbitrating body, who acknowledged that Canas proved his defense and that he did not knowingly ingest the substance. An absurd zero-tolerance policy which sees fit to punish even unintentional ingestion is what led to the suspension. So not only is it ignorant to claim that Canas is a "doper," but it's slanderous as well. I wonder if it's those who are the loudest in their condemnations who are the secret cheaters, the ones who revel in either the guilt or thrill at not yet being caught. They just love pointing fingers.

I provided a link to the thread discussion, not the BBC website. The BBC report is very light on details and facts. Like all mainstream reporting, they get a lot of things wrong. My information did not come from the BBC, because it is not reliable. Here is a more detailed report. Also, if you go to the ATP website, you can get an even more detailed report.

The most damaging testimony to Canas' cause came from the tournament physicians — Dr. Mercader and Dr. Chinchilla — who both testified that:

1. They do not recall treating Canas at the tournament.
2. They kept detailed records of player treatments at the tournament and have no record of Canas being treated.
3. They stocked the tournament treatment center with prescription medication to treat sore throats and colds and therefore would not have to write a prescription for Canas since they already had medication on site.
4. Medication containing HCT is not used in treatment of sore throats, colds or the flu and they would be reluctant to prescribe HCT to a tennis player for any purpose as it is a diuretic and could lead to dehydration in the Acapulco heat, which would be medically inadvisable and potentially dangerous to a player's health.

Dr. Chinchilla said in his sworn testimony that he knows Canas and would not have to refer to his log book to remember if he had treated him because it would have been "an honor" to treat him. The doctor said there is no possible way he would not remember treating Canas. Ultimately, the doctor's testimony was found to be more credible than Canas'

According to the ATP Anti-Doping Tribunal documentation of Canas' appeal:

* The prescription Canas claims was written has never been produced by Canas. In Mexico a prescription is not required for a substance containing HCT therefore the pharmacy would not keep it, but presumably the person who picked up the prescription would have it.
* The person alleged to have picked up the prescription has not been produced by Canas' team to corroborate his story.
* Canas did not keep the box or bottle that contained the pills he claims to have taken.
* Additionally, Canas did not check with his own doctors or the tournament doctors to ensure the medication he was about to take did not violate the ATP's anti-doping rules.
* Since the tournament was in Mexico, the prescription would have been printed in Spanish, Canas' native language, yet Canas claims he did not read the label on the medication.
* The ATP concluded that neither tournament physician treated Canas.

"The tribunal in Switzerland that will be judging this case is independent," Ducote told Tennis Week. "Basically, we feel a tribunal selected by the ATP cannot be independent. There shouldn't be any surprises (this time)."

http://www.sportsmediainc.net/tennisweek/index.cfm?func=showarticle&newsid=13595

 

[Deleted member 3771]

Vliegen will win

 

[Fedace]

Just put Canas in the Finals now. there is noone in the draw that can even challenge canas on clay

 

[Batoussai]

Just put Canas in the Finals now. there is noone in the draw that can even challenge canas on clay

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Fanboyalert

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Federer - Cañas isn't a walkover for Willy... If Willy makes it past Vliegen today... I wouldn't call it simple for him...

 

[Andres]

Just put Canas in the Finals now. there is noone in the draw that can even challenge canas on clay

He faces Nalbandian, then Davydenko, then Federer.

Tough task, if you ask me.

 

[Baghdatis72]

Vamos Canas bagel him!!!

 

[federerfanatic]

Hopefully Vliegen creams the juicer.

 

[oscar_2424]

Vamos Canas bagel him!!!

i second that vamos WIlly!

 

[Ripper]

Willy, he's just trying to get you pissed, to make you play badly. So, please, after you beat him, get high on something and kick the crap out of him!

 

[Baghdatis72]

Hopefully Vliegen creams the juicer.

No way Jose

 

[ACE of Hearts]

Dont sleep on Juan Monaco as well, whose playing very well.

 

[goforgold99]

Where do you find this interview?

It's not on the Roland garros website

 

[federerfanatic]

Hopefully Vliegen fulfills his intentions and wins 1 for the "clean" athletes.

 

[Ripper]

Hopefully Vliegen fulfills his intentions and wins 1 for the "clean" athletes.

I like how you wrote "clean" between quotation marks, lol!

Oh and you keep hoping my friend...

 

[Fedace]

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Fanboyalert

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Federer - Cañas isn't a walkover for Willy... If Willy makes it past Vliegen today... I wouldn't call it simple for him...

If federer faces Canas again in semis, fed will be so psyched out, he will be having accidents in his pants and it will be a easy win for Canas.

 

[ACE of Hearts]

Vliegen will beat Canas, like i said.

 

[federerfanatic]

I like how you wrote "clean" between quotation marks, lol!

Oh and you keep hoping my friend...

Well Vliegen is one of the "clean" tennis players. Actually most are. Then there are others who unfortunately infect the tour, and the more they lose, the sooner they are cleansed from tournaments the better.

 

[malakas]

Vliegen will beat Canas, like i said.

Ditto!Vliegen in 4!

 

[oscar_2424]

Ditto!Vliegen in 4!

is not gonna happen.

 

[Fedace]

Vliegen will beat Canas, like i said.

HOW??? Vliegen is just a lowly journeyman

 

[federerfanatic]

HOW??? Vliegen is just a lowly journeyman

Canas is just a very good journeyman, he is not an elite. I would rather root for the clean journeyman, then the doped journeyman anyday.

 

[Ripper]

HOW??? Vliegen is just a lowly journeyman

Canas is just a very good journeyman, he is not an elite.

Hummm, let's see. Logic tells me that the very good journeyman (to use your own words) should win over the lowly one, regardless of which one wipes his butt better and, therefore, is "cleaner", lol!

 

[jmverdugo]

Well Vliegen is one of the "clean" tennis players. Actually most are. Then there are others who unfortunately infect the tour, and the more they lose, the sooner they are cleansed from tournaments the better.

Are you sure? ...

 

[Batoussai]

Where do you find this interview?

It's not on the Roland garros website

It was an interview with Belgian Press that only came on tv here in Belgium...

He really said it ...

(Damn, he's not doing good )

 

[Baghdatis72]

Vamos Canas once again!

 

[diegaa]

*SPOILER* on sight.



























Vliegen must eat his words now. And many of you too.

 

[Rhino]

Vliegen must eat his words now. And many of you too.

Why? I'm sure he still believes what he believes, and has the guts to say it even now. This result doesn't suddenly mean Canas was honest, it just means what we all knew anyway: Vliegen isn't much of a threat at the French.

 

[Baghdatis72]

Edited for spoiler reasons

 

[diegaa]

Why? I'm sure he still believes what he believes, and has the guts to say it even now. This result doesn't suddenly mean Canas was honest, it just means what we all knew anyway: Vliegen isn't much of a threat at the French.

I didnt mean he was proven right or wrong. But he should have chosen his words more wisely. I STILL believe Cañas is innocent and many players dont care to know the facts and say whatever comes first to their mind. And thats pretty stupid if you ask me.

 

[David L]

I didnt mean he was proven right or wrong. But he should have chosen his words more wisely. I STILL believe Cañas is innocent and many players dont care to know the facts and say whatever comes first to their mind. And thats pretty stupid if you ask me.

He's done his time, so it's in the past now, but I'm curious to know why you and others are convinced he did'nt take anything before his suspension? Are you so confident, you would put your house or life on it, or do you not really care that much about it anyway?

 

[diegaa]

He's done his time, so it's in the past now, but I'm curious to know why you and others are convinced he did'nt take anything before his suspension? Are you so confident, you would put your house or life on it, or do you not really care that much about it anyway?

no, to be honest, I wouldnt bet anything on it. But i wouldnt bet anything on any player. he could have done something wrong, but he sure didnt mean that and it was proven that way.

 

[David L]

no, to be honest, I wouldnt bet anything on it. But i wouldnt bet anything on any player. he could have done something wrong, but he sure didnt mean that and it was proven that way.

This is what I'm wondering. Are you confident he was not aware of taking any banned substances, and if so, what has convinced you?

 

[Morrissey]

No way Jose

just ignore the loser. I thought you had him on you ignore list.