Volkl PB10 Mid is back

PistolPete23

Semi-Pro
Did anyone notice Volkl quietly releasing the PB10 Mid? They’re using the old logo too, which I love, but the color is now that electric yellow I’m not a fan of. I thought my next frames would be the Prince Phantom 93p 18x20, but now I may have to reconsider, especially if the retros play like the originals.
 

Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
Did anyone notice Volkl quietly releasing the PB10 Mid? They’re using the old logo too, which I love, but the color is now that electric yellow I’m not a fan of. I thought my next frames would be the Prince Phantom 93p 18x20, but now I may have to reconsider, especially if the retros play like the originals.
The all black update they did back in 2013, was really the best colorway to be honest. I always felt like the neon yellow was too flashy for my taste.
 

Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah I agree; I guess I missed out on the all black update :(. But if the current release plays well, I can forgive the color.
It used to by my favorite racket, but around 2015/2016, I switched over to the RF97 Autograph. I should string up my PB 10 mid that I have left and try and hit with it one day, lol.
 

PistolPete23

Semi-Pro
It used to by my favorite racket, but around 2015/2016, I switched over to the RF97 Autograph. I should string up my PB 10 mid that I have left and try and hit with it one day, lol.
I haven't yet hit with the RF97a, mainly because I've come to highly prefer more flexible racquets with max RA in the low 60s. How did the transition work for you?
 

Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
I haven't yet hit with the RF97a, mainly because I've come to highly prefer more flexible racquets with max RA in the low 60s. How did the transition work for you?
It's worked out really well for me. I found and still do that it really helped me improve my backhand since I play with a one handed backhand.
 

basil J

Hall of Fame
I just saw this yesterday. For $149.00, and all the glowing reviews, I pulled the trigger. I used to have a BB 90 mid back in the day and it was a real fun frame. I am assuming they will be similar. I remember that it had a ton of controllable power for a 93" frame. I went with Legend Gut at 56#. Hopefully the tension will be in the ballpark for good control and comfort.
 

burzum

New User
I was testing it few years ago, it was awesome. I was impressed with control, I still remeber the first point won with PB. Ordered it immediately, but got Organix 10 instead, local supplier told me, that PB10 is out of stock and won't be restocked. Organix is quite different. I kept it, because it was first racquet I could play few hours with no pain in my elbow.
 

PistolPete23

Semi-Pro
I just saw this yesterday. For $149.00, and all the glowing reviews, I pulled the trigger. I used to have a BB 90 mid back in the day and it was a real fun frame. I am assuming they will be similar. I remember that it had a ton of controllable power for a 93" frame. I went with Legend Gut at 56#. Hopefully the tension will be in the ballpark for good control and comfort.
Let us know how it plays! Bet it’ll be real soft on a full bed of gut.
 

basil J

Hall of Fame
Sure thing. I revisited the TW review and it was probably the most glowing review of a racquet from them I have seen.
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
I got a new c10 pro but not the new yellow one. I got one of the yellow and black ones that were on sale here at TW. They were out so I had to get same deal from *******. I do NOT think this frame is stiff at all. Maybe because it is an older model. By the way, does anyone know what model it is? It has back on the sides and is yellow on top and throat. I actually like the stick. I am afraid to show a pic from ******* as the mods may not like that.
 

Crocodile

Legend
Yes I bought one and it's still a great stick, super solid and great feel. A great companion for the C10. More classics from Volkl is the way to go. Just testing the V 8 Pro and will comment shortly.
 

basil J

Hall of Fame
I got my PB 10 yesterday and took it out today for a 90 minute hitting session. My regular stick is the Becker Melbourne, so these two frame appear to share the same technology and materials. I have not used a Mid sized frame since the Redondo days years ago so i did not know how i was going to like this frame.
The first thing I noticed is that the frame has a pretty generous sweet spot for a 93" head. My forehands were rocking right out of the gate. My 1HBH and slice not so much. They were coming off the racket with a much higher launch angle that I was used to, so Initially i was hitting a lot of balls high and long, but after about 30 minutes and just hitting BH cross courts for a few minutes I found my range. This is a very flexy, HL frame. You can especially feel it on the BH side and my instinct was to tighten my grip and swing harder, but that wasn't yielding the results I wanted. I haven't hit with a frame like this for years and it was very fun. After I relaxed my grip & my arm, and let the frame do the work I found my range and launch angles and started playing much more freely. I was thinking that because it was a 93' head, for some reason I had to do "more", but it just the opposite, the frame is so solid, relaxed loose swings off both wings yielded the best results. This is a super comfortable frame. Its heavy but very HL, so it swings very easy and has plenty of mass and weight behind your shots if you stay loose. It was windy today, and I didn't get a chance to serve, so I will see how I fare with that, but over all I was enjoying my time on the court with it today.. My buddy who is also a Melbourne user, used it for a bit and he was very impressed with it as well. I didn't even take out my Melbourne at all today.
 
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PistolPete23

Semi-Pro
I got my PB 10 yesterday and took it out today for a 90 minute hitting session. My regular stick is the Becker Melbourne, so these two frame appear to share the same technology and materials. I have not used a Mid sized frame since the Redondo days years ago so i did not know how i was going to like this frame.
The first thing I noticed is that the frame has a pretty generous sweet spot for a 93" head. My forehands were rocking right out of the gate. My 1HBH and slice not so much. They were coming off the racket with a much higher launch angle that I was used to, so Initially i was hitting a lot of balls high and long, but after about 30 minutes and just hitting BH cross courts for a few minutes I found my range. This is a very flexy, HL frame. You can especially feel it on the BH side and my instinct was to tighten my grip and swing harder, but that wasn't yielding the results I wanted. I haven't hit with a frame like this for years and it was very fun. After I relaxed my grip & my arm, and let the frame do the work I found my range and launch angles and started playing much more freely. I was thinking that because it was a 93' head, for some reason I had to do "more", but it just the opposite, the frame is so solid, relaxed loose swings off both wings yielded the best results. This is a super comfortable frame. Its heavy but very HL, so it swings very easy and has plenty of mass and weight behind your shots if you stay loose. It was windy today, and I didn't get a chance to serve, so I will see how I fare with that, but over all. My buddy who is also a Melbourne user, used it for a bit and he was very impressed with it as well.
Awesome review, thanks! Now I need to pick these up for sure!
 

Jd1boo

Rookie
I used the pb 10 mid exclusively for two years and recently started using the 93p. The 93p feels much more solid, has more power, larger sweetspot and more stable. Also does not require a full swing at all times on groundstrokes. The Volkl really requires a full or close to full out swing for pace and control when strung in low 50s and has a very prominent flex during contact. Also a wonderful racquet but I prefer the 93p.


Ugh, I'm so conflicted between the PB10 Mid and the new 2020 Prince Phantom Pro 93p.
 

PistolPete23

Semi-Pro
I used the pb 10 mid exclusively for two years and recently started using the 93p. The 93p feels much more solid, has more power, larger sweetspot and more stable. Also does not require a full swing at all times on groundstrokes. The Volkl really requires a full or close to full out swing for pace and control when strung in low 50s and has a very prominent flex during contact. Also a wonderful racquet but I prefer the 93p.
Did you use the same string setup for both racquets?
 

basil J

Hall of Fame
I have mine strung up with Klip legend gut at 56# and there is plenty of power to be had. I could see how a full bed of poly would lower the power in this frame significantly. I got plenty of spin and easy depth. One of the things my hitting partner noticed right off the bat is how hard I was able to hit groundies with this frame. I have never tried the prince but I hear good things about it as well. I really only wanted to revisit this frame because I had hit with the Becker version of it back in 2012, so I wanted to see if I still would like it. Much different playing real points vs just hitting so I will still need some more time on the court with it before I decide what I end up doing with it.
 

basil J

Hall of Fame
Played a practice set tonight with 30 minutes of hitting and my affection for this frame grows. Very solid from all areas on the court and excellent serving frame. I was getting good pop and spin with ease and the weight and balance make it great up at the net as well.
 
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basil J

Hall of Fame
Played again this weekend and really found that this is a well rounded frame. I think it suits an aggressive style better than counter puncher, primarily because it has good power on demand and is a very accurate racket. Point and shoot, plenty of pop and spin. Excellent to volley with. I am getting more used to the flex and it is very comfortable on the arm. I have deliberately not touched my Melbourne's for 3 weeks now just to give this frame a good trial. Verdict is, I really like it and I may pick up another one and switch to this frame full time. Crazy going from a 98'' to a 93", but I am not missing any spin or control or power. perhaps still in he honeymoon phase, which is why I will use it a few more times before I break out one of my melbournes and play test them side by side. This is the first frame outside of my melbournes or AG 200's that I feel I could use as my go to frame.
 
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Legend
Played again this weekend and really found that this is a well rounded frame. I think it suits an aggressive style better than counter puncher, primarily because it has good power on demand and is a very accurate racket. Point and shoot, plenty of pop and spin. Excellent to volley with. I am getting more used to the flex and it is very comfortable on the arm. I have deliberately not touched my Melbourne's for 3 weeks now just to give this frame a good trial. Verdict is, I really like it and I may pick up another one and switch to this frame full time. Crazy going from a 98'' to a 93", but I am not missing any spin or control or power. perhaps still in he honeymoon phase, which is why I will use it a few more times before I break out one of my melbournes and play test them side by side. This is the first frame outside of my melbournes or AG 200's that I feel I could use as my go to frame.

I went from a 98 Volkl C-9 to a 93 (95?) Prince Phantom 93P.
 

LoanStar

New User
Played again this weekend and really found that this is a well rounded frame. I think it suits an aggressive style better than counter puncher, primarily because it has good power on demand and is a very accurate racket. Point and shoot, plenty of pop and spin. Excellent to volley with. I am getting more used to the flex and it is very comfortable on the arm. I have deliberately not touched my Melbourne's for 3 weeks now just to give this frame a good trial. Verdict is, I really like it and I may pick up another one and switch to this frame full time. Crazy going from a 98'' to a 93", but I am not missing any spin or control or power. perhaps still in he honeymoon phase, which is why I will use it a few more times before I break out one of my melbournes and play test them side by side. This is the first frame outside of my melbournes or AG 200's that I feel I could use as my go to frame.
What was the adjustment like going from the 98 to 93 size? I’m playing with a Yonex Ezone DR98 strung with VS Touch, but considering the PB for the higher weight and great reviews.
 

basil J

Hall of Fame
So I played a good 4.5 on a fast hard court this weekend. Really struggled with the PB 93". I was not used to the speed of the indoor courts, and I was framing a lot of shots that were skidding off the court. Lost 2-6 in an ugly fashion. Short rallies and a few mishits. Serving was good, everything else left me baffled and shaking my head. I reluctantly went to my Melbourne for the second set and quickly found my range and my pace and got back into the match. Won the second set 6-4 and ended up losing the tie break 7-4. I got used to the slower pace & higher bounce of playing outside and really have to adjust to fast indoor. I am playing at the same courts on Tuesday night and will try to PB 10 again. I love the feel and control when I ht the ball well. I'm going to just put this weekend in the books as an off day and try her again on Tuesday. Funny the first 4 times out with the PB 10, it did not feel small at all. This weekend I felt like I was using an 80" frame..
 

max

Legend
So I played a good 4.5 on a fast hard court this weekend. Really struggled with the PB 93". I was not used to the speed of the indoor courts, and I was framing a lot of shots that were skidding off the court. Lost 2-6 in an ugly fashion. Short rallies and a few mishits. Serving was good, everything else left me baffled and shaking my head. I reluctantly went to my Melbourne for the second set and quickly found my range and my pace and got back into the match. Won the second set 6-4 and ended up losing the tie break 7-4. I got used to the slower pace & higher bounce of playing outside and really have to adjust to fast indoor. I am playing at the same courts on Tuesday night and will try to PB 10 again. I love the feel and control when I ht the ball well. I'm going to just put this weekend in the books as an off day and try her again on Tuesday. Funny the first 4 times out with the PB 10, it did not feel small at all. This weekend I felt like I was using an 80" frame..

You're smart giving it another go or two. That can be radical adjustment all over in all directions.
 

LoanStar

New User
So I played a good 4.5 on a fast hard court this weekend. Really struggled with the PB 93". I was not used to the speed of the indoor courts, and I was framing a lot of shots that were skidding off the court. Lost 2-6 in an ugly fashion. Short rallies and a few mishits. Serving was good, everything else left me baffled and shaking my head. I reluctantly went to my Melbourne for the second set and quickly found my range and my pace and got back into the match. Won the second set 6-4 and ended up losing the tie break 7-4. I got used to the slower pace & higher bounce of playing outside and really have to adjust to fast indoor. I am playing at the same courts on Tuesday night and will try to PB 10 again. I love the feel and control when I ht the ball well. I'm going to just put this weekend in the books as an off day and try her again on Tuesday. Funny the first 4 times out with the PB 10, it did not feel small at all. This weekend I felt like I was using an 80" frame..
basil J, really appreciate your reply...I play almost exclusively indoors so that distinction was especially helpful. And despite ongoing efforts to get smaller my strokes tend to be big and flat. Look forward to hearing how it goes Tuesday night.
 

basil J

Hall of Fame
Played indoors again last night. Outcome was much better. I played an easier opponent and found that I had more time to set up and hit much more cleanly and consistently than my last outing. As I played, I found myself wanting to shorten the points as I felt a lack of confidence in my ability to be as consistent with this frame as I am with the Melbourne. I traced back to some posts regarding the BB DNX 93 that I used in 2008 and found I had similar experiences with that frame as well. Loved it in practice, but found it more difficult to use in match play. As an older player, I have come to recognize that a lot of the difference between practice and match play is purely mental, as a forehand is a forehand, just that the importance of the result is magnified in match play vs practice.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Played indoors again last night. Outcome was much better. I played an easier opponent and found that I had more time to set up and hit much more cleanly and consistently than my last outing. As I played, I found myself wanting to shorten the points as I felt a lack of confidence in my ability to be as consistent with this frame as I am with the Melbourne. I traced back to some posts regarding the BB DNX 93 that I used in 2008 and found I had similar experiences with that frame as well. Loved it in practice, but found it more difficult to use in match play. As an older player, I have come to recognize that a lot of the difference between practice and match play is purely mental, as a forehand is a forehand, just that the importance of the result is magnified in match play vs practice.
The way I solved this problem was to hit with the PB10 Mid in practice and warm-ups, which allowed me to get my eye in, then I would switch to the C10 Pro for the match. Worked great.
 

grhcan99

Semi-Pro
:D :laughing: :-D :sneaky:... I know... poor PB10 Mid. I give it plenty of love whilst practicing though... hope that makes it feel a bit better. It can also come out if the opponent gives me more time or hits a slower ball.
I did even worse. Bought it and returned it :) I guess I panicked. Now with all this love expressed in this thread I'm thinking of giving this another shot. But I'm on wife-watch right now :)
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
I did even worse. Bought it and returned it :) I guess I panicked. Now with all this love expressed in this thread I'm thinking of giving this another shot. But I'm on wife-watch right now :)
LOL... :laughing: I know the feeling. I found the racquet came through really quickly and I was always too early, so I added weight to the head in order to be able to feel it in space (if that makes sense).
 
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Legend
I had two a long time back. bought them in a deal used.

I think they exacerbated an elbow overuse on my part and contributed to a severe case of TE. But a fine racquet; I just wasn't smart about how to bring it into my tennis life! Very good specs.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ONE AND ALL!!!

May 2020 be filled with great health, prosperity, lots of tennis, and fantastic gear purchases and product lines.

Looking forward to talking to you all throughout the coming year. :giggle:
 

basil J

Hall of Fame
8 weeks post hip replacement and I decided to go out for a light hit tonight with the PB 10. I restrung with 17g gut mains at 54LBS and BHB poly crosses at 52Lbs. It took me me a few minutes to get used to the smaller head size, but I quickly dialed in and was amazed with a fresh string set up how much better this frame played. Unbelievable topspin with minimal effort. pace was not as great as with my BB Melbourne, but I think I will get better acclimated with it, the more I use it. Direction control was very good and the frame is so comfy, it was really a joy to hit with. Sweet spot is sufficient. I played 1/2 hr with the PB 10 and 1/2 with my Becker and the feel was similar but response was a little different. The PB 10 had a higher launch angle and more spin and the Becker was lower but I was generating more pace. It will be interesting to see, once I get full mobility back, which frame i prefer. I have not been swayed for long away from my Melbourne for 8 years, but this one could be a game changer.
 
I hit with mine last week, felt great when I could hit the ball on the stringbed. Unfortunately I am used to 100 sq inch heads now and it was hard to time the faster paced shots so I was mishitting quite a bit.
 

basil J

Hall of Fame
I know what you mean, practice sessions and match play are very different, ( even though they should not be). I am coming off a long layoff due to a severe hip injury which required right hip replacement, so I have literally played 3 times since last fall, so I am coming in with a clean slate per say. BB Melbourne is still my go to for now but the PB 10 has me intrigued.
 

basil J

Hall of Fame
Played my first practice set today since returning from injury. My mobility still sucks, but at 59 years old I have to be patient and take my time getting my "wheels back". I used the PB 10 for 3 games and my BB Melbourne for the 2nd 3 games. My opponent told me that My shot choices, consistency, weight of shot and pace were all much better with the Melbourne than with the PB 10. To me, they felt pretty similar coming off the string bed, but I was able to really aim and shoot with much more confidence with the Becker than with the Volkl. I have the same string set ups on both of them with different tensions. When pulled out wide, I was much better with the Becker than with the PB 10, as it is more forgiving. Still now going to give up on the PB 10 though, because when you make solid contact, It just feels great and the spin you can generate with this frame is just amazing. I did add some weight at 3:00 and 9:00 and it did help a lot with the whippiness of the HL balance.
 
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