Volkl-Please do a remake of the Tour 10 Gen 1 MP!

drakulie

drakulie

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morningglory75 said:
There is a market for traditional graphite frames in Europe, where the feel for these sticks can be utilized, since almost everyone who plays has skills derived from good instruction from specifically trained, college educated coaches. The Europeans are also more traditional regarding their equipment, and don't buy into the marketing hype as quickly as it is done here, and although, nano carbon frames allow you to do more with less, the feel is certainly different in the hand.
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Hey, could you send me some of the Volkl products being sold in Europe?? I wanna play test them. I have been looking for a more traditional feel, being that I was taught classical music. I want to transcend this thought process of learning to a tennis court, and have been unable to do so with the equipment sold here in the US.

My email is drakulie@aol.com. From there, I will send you my shipping address.

Thanks in advance!
 
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tball

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I am not sure about them being the price point racquets. Last time I checked, the Crusher (which I am interested in) was selling for 90 euro. This is about 120 USD. The same price as C10 here.
 
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morningglory75

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drakulie said:
Hey, could you send me some of the Volkl products being sold in Europe?? I wanna play test them. I have been looking for a more traditional feel, being that I was taught classical music. I want to transcend this thought process of learning to a tennis court, and have been unable to do so with the equipment sold here in the US.

My email is drakulie@aol.com. From there, I will send you my shipping address.

Thanks in advance!
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CHECK UR EMAIL
 
Rabbit

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OK, so I'm confused now. I have various and asundry C10s from different times. They all play alike, no matter what they're made of. I was under the impression that while the prepreg, graphite, pencil lead, or whatever they make it from changes, the manufacturer can still build a frame to spec.

In other words, it doesn't matter what goes in because the manufacturer can tailor the flex of a racquet to play any and every way they want it to. Ergo, they can make the new stuff flex exactly like the old stuff. The difference being the new stuff lasts longer which lessens warrantly claims and increases profits. I have no idea if the new stuff costs more/less than the old stuff, but I would hazard a guess that it costs less as most production tends to go down with advances.

Where am I missing the proverbial boat?
 
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morningglory75

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Rabbit said:
OK, so I'm confused now. I have various and asundry C10s from different times. They all play alike, no matter what they're made of. I was under the impression that while the prepreg, graphite, pencil lead, or whatever they make it from changes, the manufacturer can still build a frame to spec.

In other words, it doesn't matter what goes in because the manufacturer can tailor the flex of a racquet to play any and every way they want it to. Ergo, they can make the new stuff flex exactly like the old stuff. The difference being the new stuff lasts longer which lessens warrantly claims and increases profits. I have no idea if the new stuff costs more/less than the old stuff, but I would hazard a guess that it costs less as most production tends to go down with advances.

Where am I missing the proverbial boat?
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Rabbit....glad to see you back. Where are we with the hairpin V10s? The C 10, is the C 10. There have been no changes over the 11 plus years. However, paint jobs will make a frame play different, if one's feel is good enough to discern that difference.
 
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morningglory75 said:
Rabbit....glad to see you back. Where are we with the hairpin V10s? The C 10, is the C 10. There have been no changes over the 11 plus years. However, paint jobs will make a frame play different, if one's feel is good enough to discern that difference.
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This is inaccurate. there have been changes in the c10 over the years. the frame has become stiffer over time, and perhaps the swingweight is even a little less. also when volkl went to their 'Pure Fibre' technology on the entire c series, all the c series frames played differently for a period of time because all those layups changed.
Paint jobs make the frame play differently? that's a good one...
 
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morningglory75

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NBM said:
Paint jobs make the frame play differently? that's a good one...
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This is a par for the course fact. Some players can feel the difference between 61lbs and 60.5 lbs. Different colors of the same string play differently, and that is also a par for the course fact, something that all players are cognizant of, whether or not they can feel the differences. Many players can feel the difference with as little .004 of and inch in grip size/shape, a well known fact for decades--ask Bosworth. Players will tell you that they can feel the difference when a stick is strung indoors or outdoors, and at different time of day, and some carry their sticks into restaurants, because they feel different and ruin string jobs, just by being left in the car for 30-45 minutes. It's a fact which cannot be attributed to psychosomatic illnesses among people who are or will be paying the monthly bills from their activities on a tennis court. It's a fact of tennis life, which apparently from your comments, you haven't experienced.
 
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morningglory75 said:
I guess you don't have the feel to discern the difference.
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Actually, now that you mention it, and i;ve had a moment to process, i think i do. This explains why i;ve never volleyed great with yellow frames painted with Dupont paint unless the yellow paint was made with burnt umber instead of raw umber..the burnt umber just makes the volley feel sooo crisp...I can volley well with yellow frames painted with Sherwin Williams paint provided the primer coat is black...any other colour just throws everything off for me. I better explain that I am joking.
 
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NBM said:
Actually, now that you mention it, and i;ve had a moment to process, i think i do. This explains why i;ve never volleyed great with yellow frames painted with Dupont paint unless the yellow paint was made with burnt umber instead of raw umber..the burnt umber just makes the volley feel sooo crisp...I can volley well with yellow frames painted with Sherwin Williams paint provided the primer coat is black...any other colour just throws everything off for me. I better explain that I am joking.
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That's cool; I wasn't, and neither were the hundreds of players that I've worked with. Yours and my frame of reference is incongruous. Sorry.
 
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vsbabolat

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morningglory75 said:
From Volkl Command: The C 10's construction and materials have remained 100% the same over the past 12 years.
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The same raw materials (Carbon Fiber) are not available from 12 years ago. I will let Racketdesign and Jame Blake explain:
Q. Kind of a tough situation if I have it right with your racquets. What's up? What's happening?
JAMES BLAKE: Oh, man. I don't know. I don't even it would be too long of a story to get into. My racquets feel great right now. I don't have that many of them left, so I'm hoping that I can find a way to get more of them and find someone that can make a racquet exactly the way I like it. It seems like I think it's just the modernization of the game that the racquets that are being made now don't feel the same as the ones when I started on tour. When I started, I think it was different materials. Using different materials, to me, feels a little more hollow, tinny. I guess the materials that are used are lighter and more powerful. For me it just doesn't it doesn't have the same feel. I never thought I was picky about racquets until I went through this situation where I'm trying to find one that's just like mine, and no one has been able to do it.
I'm really looking forward to putting this behind me and hopefully someone being able to make a racquet that I can use. We'll see if that happens soon.
http://www.bnpparibasopen.org/News/...pts/Extra-Column/James-Blake-First-Round.aspx
Racketdesign said:
To keep it simple -

Hotmelt is where the resin is heated before being applied to the dry carbon cloth. Gives good uniformaty and saturation.

"Standard" prepreg is achieved by pulling the carbon through a cold resin bath. Prone to less consistant coverage and possible dry spots.

In many racquets, a combination of both materials are used.

The "feel" element comes from a variety of factors such as material mix percentages, layup design for each layer, Grade or quality of the raw carbon cloth.

Whilst some of the older grades of carbon are no longer available, its still possible to re-create the old school feel.. just costs a few more $$ and needs a bit more thought ;)
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drakulie

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morningglory75 said:
Perhaps your junk mail/spam folder? I have contacted Volkl Command for you and I am awaiting a response. I'll do what I can; I'm not a rep nor a retailer, but I can definitely help.
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Nope. Nothing in my spam folder.

Help!!!!!!

Thanks in advance. Vamos!
 
Rabbit

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NBM said:
This is inaccurate. there have been changes in the c10 over the years. the frame has become stiffer over time, and perhaps the swingweight is even a little less. also when volkl went to their 'Pure Fibre' technology on the entire c series, all the c series frames played differently for a period of time because all those layups changed.
Paint jobs make the frame play differently? that's a good one...
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Stiffer? Maybe, but not enough to alter the play of the frame. From inception through the latest, greatest, you can play with them interchangably with no adjustment due to the frame's properties.


Paint jobs do make a difference. A glossy paint finish will play stiffer than a matte one. This is well known. Also different string colors do play differently.

The old hotmelt were allegedly the best, for those who are conneseuirs of graphite. But, for an old fart 4.5 any and all will play just fine.
 
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Rabbit

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vsbabolat said:
The same raw materials (Carbon Fiber) are not available from 12 years ago. I will let Racketdesign and Jame Blake explain:
Q. Kind of a tough situation if I have it right with your racquets. What's up? What's happening?
JAMES BLAKE: Oh, man. I don't know. I don't even it would be too long of a story to get into. My racquets feel great right now. I don't have that many of them left, so I'm hoping that I can find a way to get more of them and find someone that can make a racquet exactly the way I like it. It seems like I think it's just the modernization of the game that the racquets that are being made now don't feel the same as the ones when I started on tour. When I started, I think it was different materials. Using different materials, to me, feels a little more hollow, tinny. I guess the materials that are used are lighter and more powerful. For me it just doesn't it doesn't have the same feel. I never thought I was picky about racquets until I went through this situation where I'm trying to find one that's just like mine, and no one has been able to do it.
I'm really looking forward to putting this behind me and hopefully someone being able to make a racquet that I can use. We'll see if that happens soon.
http://www.bnpparibasopen.org/News/...pts/Extra-Column/James-Blake-First-Round.aspx
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It's kinda funny to me, a guy who uses a racquet strung with poly at 68 talking about not liking a tinny feel. :)

Once again though, great info. Keep keeping 'em straight!
 
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HeavyDluxe

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drakulie said:
Hey, could you send me some of the Volkl products being sold in Europe?? I wanna play test them. I have been looking for a more traditional feel, being that I was taught classical music. I want to transcend this thought process of learning to a tennis court, and have been unable to do so with the equipment sold here in the US.
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This is pure WIN.
 
vsbabolat

vsbabolat

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Rabbit said:
It's kinda funny to me, a guy who uses a racquet strung with poly at 68 talking about not liking a tinny feel. :)

Once again though, great info. Keep keeping 'em straight!
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Thanks! I do have a original C10 Pro I got in 1998 with what you guys call the fishnet graphics. It is pristine. I was always surprised at the pop that racquet got with it also being so flexible. I should do a play test of the original and the latest cosmetic on the C10 Pro and see if I can tell any difference.
 
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andre1717

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Ive seen advertised a quantum tour racket by volkl but not sure of the model ?! about half the head is red the rest black and the throat is black. I dont know how to upload the pic . Anyone recognise this description please. thanks
 
drakulie

drakulie

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morningglory75 said:
From Volkl Command: The C 10's construction and materials have remained 100% the same over the past 12 years.
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hello, hope you are well.

I'm still waiting for the equipment you promised. Haven't received any emails from Volkl. Are they currently open, or perhaps since it's the summer they are on vacation? Not sure how the schedule over in Europe works during this time of year.

Thanks!
 
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drakulie said:
hello, hope you are well.

I'm still waiting for the equipment you promised. Haven't received any emails from Volkl. Are they currently open, or perhaps since it's the summer they are on vacation? Not sure how the schedule over in Europe works during this time of year.

Thanks!
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How do you say siesta in German?
 
tcjackson

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richie65 said:
I've been a Volkl fan for many years and still find their best offering is the original Tour 10 MP. it has the power, stability, feel and maneuverability and well it's their best racquet ever. I've tried all 10 series since the V-engine (except the new Powerbridges) and a few older models.

I originally started with the Tour 10 Gen 2 and it was great, as it got rid of my tennis elbow, but it lacked a little power. I loved the V-engine 10 MP, but it brought back my tennis elbow. The V-E 10 mid was too much stick for me. The DNX Mid was too flexy in the throat, but everything else was great. Has the Powerbridge Mid 10 fixed this? the C10 Pro Tour is great, but I just cannot handle this everyday. Serves bombs though. The C7 Comp; best feeling stick ever and I love hitting this, but I feel like I pound the ball and it keeps coming back to me harder. DNX Mid+ just doesn't work as I just don't like the feel off the tight string pattern. I find the Becker 11 to be much better and I like hitting this frame. The C10 Pro is my next favourite, but it still lacks some stability and the overall control of the Gen 1.

The Gen 1 MP is simply the best! Please make this again. NOW!
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I have used several different Volkl players racquets ove the years and I can tell you that the current PB10 Mid is well worth trying. It doesn't have quite the plowthrough of the C10 PT but you can also swing it all day without getting tired. It is very close in feel to the 10 V engine but with more spin capability due to the 16 main pattern. The PB10 Mid is a very comfortable frame and shouldn't give you any elbow pain unless you do something silly stringwise.
I used the C10 PT for many years and still like to hit with it occasionally. It is probably the best feeling racquet I have ever used. Much more solid than the C10 Pro. But the weight just wears me down by the end of a match.

I really don't think you can go wrong with the PB 10 Mid. I recently strung one with NXT Tour 17 (60#) and it was the sweetest ride I've ever had. I just wish that string wasn't so expensive.
 
sargeinaz

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I just asked TW to see if they could get Volkl to make a batch of the Tour 10 MP Gen 1 in the Questions/Comments section. Maybe if enough people show interest it could happen!
 
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This is a Gen 1 or Gen 2 ???


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