Hard getting hold of frames here sometimes, but found the Tour 10 VE for the first time last week, and where I've been tempted to get the C10 in the past as it's a lovely all round frame, I was really shocked how stiff the VE's felt. I haven't hit with it but just from swinging the VE around you could tell it's quite a stiff frame - reminded me a little of Tour 90's. Probably not much help, but best I can do.