Volley practice video

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  1. Curious

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    Would like some feedback from those who can volley or who think they can volley or who can't volley but think they know how one should volley. So yeah, that pretty much covers everyone.

     
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    Looks pretty good. In fact, I'd say your volley form is outpacing your competitive level.

    I think it's important to practice volleys also with partner or wall, though, to develop more realistic footwork and splitstepping habits (than constantly hopping).
     
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    Always struggling on the backhand side. Watching it now I see a much longer swing on the backhand compared to the compact, short FH volley.
     
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    You might be able to better self-analyze if you pick a target and include the target in the camera view. That way you can correlate variations in your form with outcome of the shot.
     
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    I didn't really pick a specific target apart from DTL and CC. I guess I can do that.
     
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    I disagree with @travlerajm about hopping, alot of atp pro players hop at the net, some move their feet from left to right, but they all keep active feet, its important. But I do agree that you should add a split at the point where the ball leaves ur opponent.

    Just look how one of the best volleyers on planet earth moves her feet actively, even in this drill where ahe gets the ball back immediately she sometimes makes several hopping steps:



    @Curious

    Great forehand volley, your technique looks very impressive and very solid!

    Your backhand volley does seem a bit off and u hit much weaker shots with it.
    I noticed two things maybe try it out and see if that helps things

    1.ur racquet seems to be very limp in ur arm in ur BH volley, try to tighten it up so its a more solid grip

    2.on FH volley u transfer ur weight into the ball, on BH volley alot of times you step in with ur foot prematurely and stop ur weight, ur whole body stops moving forward and then you hit, so try to time ur weight shift with ur leg forward later

    Hope it helps
     
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    Mattek Sands, in the vid, is hopping only at the split step and landing just after contact with opponent's racquet (unlike @Curious above, hopping constantly). But with the ball machine, you don't know when to time your split step, which is why I personally dislike the ball machine for volley practice compared to other methods.
     
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  8. FiReFTW

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    When she has more time she hopps 2 or 3 times very fast if you look carefully, yes a ball machine is useless to time split steps.
     
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  9. Curious

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    Good points, thanks. Interesting in the video Bethanie says she uses a slightly towards eastern grip rather than conti for forehand volleys that come close to her body.
     
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    In fact I like your backhand volley better. The follow-through of your forehand volley looks less natural than your backhand volley: perhaps it ends too abruptly and/or the racquet head is supposed to be more open after the impact? Just my opinion.
     
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    Yeah interesting, but I think its best to use a backhand volley when a shot is coming at your body, its much more natural, its very hard with a forehand volley in my opinion.

    Btw look at these double players how actively they move their feet and hop around all the time, you should have active feet all the time, so ur doing that part great.

     
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    It's probably because I mostly play doubles and that's what I am used to doing when I'm at the net.

    I agree with that about balls coming to body but she is talking about balls coming to her forehand but close to body.
     
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    Would disagree with the wall encouraging footwork. In real play, you pretty much have time to hop at least once. There is often no time to hop with the wall.

    Not that the wall cannot be beneficial (reflex etc), but the wall does not directly translate in terms of footwork and unit turn.
     
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    But the longer the follow through the less time to prepare for the next shot, isn't it?
     
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    I feel like you're leaning back on your backhand volley. Your foot steps in but your upper body remains behind, so that you don't actually get your body weight shifting forwards - hence the weaker shot. Try a shorter, quicker step in with the right leg and make sure it feels like your shoulder is moving into contact. Try that and see how it goes.
     
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    FH ok. Could be better with faster turning and planting left foot forward.
    BH is a problem. Too much swing. You are thinking too much of a slice. Try for less slice (there is some, but not to that extent). I’m actually suffering from the same problem these days. Don’t know where I picked the habit
     
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    When looking at Chris in the video, his body is facing the net where Bethaie is more sidewards at contact and also follow through with the stroke ready for a new volley.

    Curious you are doing the body turn better, but you could follow through a bit more and be more aggressive in your volley. Keep it short (backswing) and crisp (contact). Too much slice in BH volley like other posters said. You also drop your racquet head many times in your backhand volley, keep the head up, meet the ball out in front and be crisp at contact.

    Cheers, Toby
     
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  18. Curious

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    I see what you mean. Makes sense.
     
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    She sure didn't go easy on him huh, poor Chris lol.
     
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    I don't know which group I belong to. Probably somewhere in between. See vid.

    Actually had to think of fellow member @S&V-not_dead_yet when I decided to play S&V (I lost 3:6 0:6 btw). Crazy, guess I need a break from this board.
     
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  21. ByeByePoly

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    If we take your fh volley, feet and height and my bh volley we are good to go. :D

    IMO ... you have exaggerated the low to high on the bh volley. Try hitting more level punch like your fh volley. A little bh slice is good, but you need to punch through more inline. 2 cents.
     
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  22. Curious

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    Good points except the underlined part:D.
     
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    Same problem with the FH. What I'd do to address this is the following drill: keep moving forward after contact and touch the net with the racquet head. Recover. If you use the ball machine go for a ball frequency of 10 sec. Take your time and go for quality. Every now and then try to feel what's going on with the front foot while you make contact with the ball.

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    Will focus on weight transfer more next time. What about unit turn in volleys? Does it need to be as pronounced as in groundstrokes?
     
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    Looking good.
    Couple of observations- too much movement after contact instead of stretching the racket a foot higher during take back. Could start with more loading on the outside leg.
     
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    BH: Like mentioned a few times already, your BH is a bit of a swing going down. Your elbow is far from 90° angle on impact. Try to go for a punch, rather than a swing. The less you swing, the more pop you will feel. Squeeze the racquet handle with your pinkie, that will automatically cause the muscle contractions you need.

    FH: you may want to try to go sideways more. Plant your left foot in front

    General: Quite a few balls were low when you hit them. Try to move into the ball and bend your knees, so your raquet can actually stay up! You can actually see a lot of times that the balls came off your racquet much nicer on higher balls, since you're a bit lazy with the low ones ;)
     
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    But I find it more difficult to hit high to low slicing type volleys like Federer style. Moving into the ball more forward or hitting through is less error prone, I believe.
     
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    Ok. More nipples to the net type, right?:D
     
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    Oh, should the elbow be bent like 90 degrees at contact? I didnt know that.
     
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    Lol! Abbreviated shoulder turn vs groundstrokes.
     
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  32. S&V-not_dead_yet

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    I'll take "those who think they can volley" for $200, Alex.

    - I like that you're bouncing around instead of being flat-footed between volleys; the Bryans do this
    - Your FH volley has all of the right fundamentals: unit turn, step through, no overswinging or hinging the racquet back, contact in front, etc
    - You deviate slightly with your BH volley: you have a tendency to come out of your low position and stand more upright. You also swing more with your arm as opposed to moving through it with your legs as on your FH volley

    One way to add variation is to either move closer to the net to practice your angle putaways or move further away to the SL to practice your first volley after the approach or even half-volleys. Then have the machine aim to one side so you have to move significantly and get back into position and balance.

    Well done!
     
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    Unfortunate souls that use a forehand grip for the volley are the nipples to the net type.
     
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  34. ByeByePoly

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    oops ... good thing you said advice from everyone. :D
     
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    Should work pretty good for forehand volleys.:D
     
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  36. S&V-not_dead_yet

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    Look at how the Bryans are always hopping in between hits when they are at net; they don't just split-step before opponent contact. For example, the point starting at 0:38 [the slo-mo replay makes it more apparent]:

     
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  37. S&V-not_dead_yet

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    Nice S&V!
     
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    No, sorry my post was a bit confusing to read. But to get the right feeling I believe it helps to have the racquet head rather high + you gain stability. I do think that the angle of your wrist to the arm is more important - and that looked quite good as far as I could see in the video.
    Anyways, I focusing on less swing on the BH and some improvement in footwork (plant that foot and make sure your right foot is behind the left one on impact on FH) could really pay off.
     
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    @S&V-not_dead_yet what do you think about this? Need to be 90 degrees?
     
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    Well I actually thought this 90 degree elbow angle at impact made sense but you apparently didnt mean that:).
     
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    It does. But it doesn't make sense in every situation. You can't be that close to the net all of the time or bend down all the way to get into that position. Anyway, you still want to use your kneed to get down ;)
    We would be talking about less than 90 degrees though.
     
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    I have just done some shadow volleys and this keeping the elbow 90 degree idea is really interesting. It makes you swing more from the shoulder and use body momentum. The more you eliminate movement of elbow and wrist the better i think. I cant wait to try it on the court.
     
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    Definitely very compact. I think your FH is sometimes too much of a swing (like shown in post #23)

    Look how compact Edberg's FH is when volleying with Fed at 7:00. He is around 48 years old in this video:

     
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  44. S&V-not_dead_yet

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    If a straight arm with no bend is 0 degrees, I would say I volley around 60-70 degrees in the drill you're doing. More when the ball is closer to my body; less when the ball is further away.

    The exact # of degrees isn't important so much as the idea that you DON'T want to volley with a locked, straight arm because you lose a lot of feel. It's also very difficult to adjust for volleys in close. The only exception would be if I have to lunge: at that point, I don't care about feel, I just want to get my racquet on the ball.
     
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    Exactly. Now replace swing with punch and you have a crisp volley.
    While you're at the shadow volleys, try to have your chest at a 45 degree angle to the net on the FH while moving the left foot towards the net and see how that feels.
     
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    Probably not only about feel, but also stability.
    Imagine you have a ball flying at you at 100mph. Would you want have your arm extended or rather at an angle on impact? The lever is much higher if the arm is extended.
     
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    Where are you located? State wise?


    Probably posting from the court between sets.
     
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  49. S&V-not_dead_yet

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    2 things:

    - If the ball is coming at me at 100mph, I might not even have the time to extend my arm.

    - If I volley somewhere around the sweet spot, I don't need to over rely on the lever effect since the incoming ball has so much momentum, just blocking it will likely be good enough. if it was a slow sitter, I'd extend more, both because I want the power and I have the luxury of time.
     
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  50. S&V-not_dead_yet

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    The drawback with "punch" is that it's not universally applicable [ie drop volleys, touch angle volleys, quick reflex volleys, shoelace-height volleys, etc]. So if someone only knows how to punch a volley, they'll have problems with all of the other types of volleys they'll run into.

    The more the ball is in your strike zone, the more you can punch and use a firm grip.

    The further away the ball is from your strike zone, the less you can punch and use a firm grip.
     
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