WADA announces new doping rules which will benefit Sinner
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Bill Lobsalot
Hall of Fame
They make official announcements on "X"?
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Joe Biden announced his departure as the Democratic Nominee on X, it's a pretty standard venue for announcements these days.
Bill Lobsalot
Hall of Fame
It's easy to put false info on X, no verification required.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
As it should be. Micro dosing is not bad, nor is it a enhancing drug in the way we think it is. Plenty of other legal things just as powerful.
I don’t think that’s the case. It seems that they almost always catch the players at the end of a doping cycle, where some miscalculation results in some of the used substances remaining in the system in tiny amounts. The new rules will basically allow the players who make such miscalculations to go unpunished. It’s just a more lenient system.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
LOBALOT
Legend
This is so stupid. So then the next debate is "what is the limit?" and then that mark moves out. That is why any figure other than 0 should be banned.
I can see it..... "1 is illegal". Oh wait I met a girl at bar... "OK 2 is illegal".... Wait my massage guy... "OK 3 is illegal".... My boyfriend My boyfriend "OK 4 is illegal"...
Wait I am Polish just like you "OK 10 is illegal"
I can see it..... "1 is illegal". Oh wait I met a girl at bar... "OK 2 is illegal".... Wait my massage guy... "OK 3 is illegal".... My boyfriend My boyfriend "OK 4 is illegal"...
Wait I am Polish just like you "OK 10 is illegal"
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
This is a slippery slope.
I already said in a previous thread that these kind of changes are required in order to be fair to athletes and to shift the blame where it belongs - the manufacturers.
I am glad that I was right, as always.
LOBALOT
Legend
There are a lot of drugs that have legitimate therapeutic uses. You can't blame the manufacturers or ban drugs just because some tennis player decides to cheat and take shortcut to be number 1 like the two players in question.
That is crazy.
I was talking about contamination
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
You can't expect manufacturers to operate with tolerances designed for athletes who have to pass doping controls.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Manufacturers have to sell safe products, but not to standards that athletes can use without a second thought. This would also hike prices.
Precisely my point. Athlete tolerances must be set higher than maufacturer tolerances.
That is not an athlete's problem. Just like it is not your fault if you turned the steering wheel 2 degrees and the car swung 90 degrees right.
Purestriker
Legend
Well, it is their problem when only the top 25 can afford to by those only produced in a 100% contaminated free production process.
LOBALOT
Legend
Ahhhh. Well that is if you buy the argument but these are designer drugs and they are not just floating around in the ether.
They don't. These compounds are entirely man made and they don't just show up in your morning donut.
Nor do they show up in other medications.
Perhaps, but most regulations that include quantitative standards are subject to "slippery slope" critiques. "Why should the rule be based on x? Why not x + 1? Is that fair??" Most of the time, such arguments just lead to paralysis. A bright line eventually needs to be declared. There can still be a degree of discretion/flexibility in the enforcement phase.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
If the amount is insignificant than it should not matter. A contamination is only going to be an insignificant amount.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Only because the other choice is to blame athletes.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Their problem is that manufactured products are not made to athletic tolerances. The default option could be to apply for a TUE.
esgee48
G.O.A.T.
Back in the 1980's, chemists were happy they could detect compounds at the 100 parts/million. Thanks to advancements in technology mainly due to biochemistry, we are down to the 1 part/billion and going lower. That's a 100,000 fold increase in sensitivity. In nature, every compound now is contaminated. Levels for deliberate usage of PED should be set way above current detection thresholds. The level needs to affect the performance, otw it is useless to say someone is using a banned substance. And WADA et al have not stated what those levels could be cuz they don't know. It's a pretty stupid situation.
1H-Backhand
Rookie
I'd be careful if I were you, going around wrongly accusing people of cheating or intentionally doping could be bring a law suit for defamation your way...
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
WADA has a very limited budget. It is more of a rule-making and policing bureaucracy that relies on "forensic research" done by others.
WADA had no evidence that Meldonium affects performance. They banned it by classifying the drug under a wider heading.
This is the way WADA works and it can't change due to budgetary constraints.
WADA had no evidence that Meldonium affects performance. They banned it by classifying the drug under a wider heading.
This is the way WADA works and it can't change due to budgetary constraints.
btsjungkook
Professional
This would've all been ok if they gave the two players a proper punishment, now everyone is going to have a excuse for drugs.
Terenigma
G.O.A.T.
Yeah Bluesky isn't popular enough yet.
LOBALOT
Legend
Not a chance as the result is the result. You guys are interpreting the result to whatever your misperceived purpose is.
Better_Call_Raul
Hall of Fame
Correct. Manufacturers only need to produce a product safe for the general public. That's all.
If there are low levels of "contamination" in their product which can facilitate athletic doping, either directly (performance-enhancing) or indirectly (masking), it is not their concern.
It is not clear what Sureshs' proposal is. How can manufacturers be held to doping tolerances? That is an extremely unreasonable standard.
It won't, but the tweet says Sinner's lawyers will probably use these new rules in his defense.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
They may reference the incoming rules as part of a general argument, but by themselves, they are not of much use.
Tennfan123
Legend
pro tennis gives me sinking ship vibes.
Rovesciarete
Hall of Fame
Nothing official yet! However still making a potentially monumental decision, for most athletes, only about Sinner shows that many are living in his world 
This argument has been falsely used by many. Substance levels that are detected being too low to give a competitive edge is just wrong. If the test happened one day earlier, the levels detected would have been high enough to give a competitive edge. Players dope in cycles. It’s not like they take their daily multivitamin.
Rovesciarete
Hall of Fame
I think WADA was quite happy to just 'get more guys', a bit like some police forces. Now we are increasingly seeing the consequences, the unjust accusations due to contaminations and the weakening of WADA's standing.
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FreeJannik
New User
Doping is everywhere and nowhere in sports, in the end following sports require some suspension of disbelief...
basically you know there's something not 100% clear going on
but you enjoy the show anyway
because life is too short to worry about everything.
this is a neutral consideration with nothing to do this specific case.
The Austrian is the best thing since sliced bread there. I get it. Indians would embrace a foreigner too if they found tennis success (with or without roids) representing India.
1H-Backhand
Rookie
That is incorrect. You are the one who is misinterpreting. It has been proven and accepted by everyone (including WADA) that it was a case of contamination and NOT intentional doping.
LOBALOT
Legend
No I believe the result. I do not believe that the Polish WADA head made an unbiased evaluation of the result of the Polish Tennis Player's doping.
Another mis-statement by you is the use of the word "Everyone".
Not "Everyone" thinks it was contamination.
And your use of the word "Proven" is not a true statement either.
1H-Backhand
Rookie
Sorry mate, I have better things to do in life than trying to argue with people who persist with their wrong views. I gave you the right information and you chose to ignore it. It's a free speech world so you are entitled to your wrong opinion.
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