Yes, thank you, everyone knows that. It's what WADA's appeal is about. But it's not what the most recent posts in this thread have been debating.
WADA APEALS SINNER CASE
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G.O.A.T.
the difference is halep couldnt explain the amount that was found in her system in relation to the supplement.
not to mention some blood passport controversy
He wont get banned. He is too valuable. CAS will take ITIAs side. WADA about to take a huge L
JJGUY
Hall of Fame
Well those detail numbers are hard to interpret but if they can convince the panel, they accepted the explanations, then it's done. Like I said, these two cases are exactly of the same nature - not my "own" fault! And what's more? Halep's contamination defense is actually a lot more convincing that Sinner's. Halep took the contaminated powders thus tested positive for banned ingredients (it's ok if you don't believe it), but it's relatively straightforward. If Sinner said I used the cream but I didn't know the cream has the clostebol, you don't have to believe it either, but it would be a comparable case like Halep. What happened in Sinner's case here, his trainer bought the cream in Italy and he wasn't unaware of clostebol (small chance incident!), his trainer bought the cream to USA and his trainer cut his finger and used the cream (another small chance incident!), a barehand massage transferred a tiny amount of clostebol to Sinner (incredibly small chance incident), for Sinner's defense to work, all those small chance incidents had to happen and they must happen in the right time for the chain of event to proceed, missing one or wrong timing (didn't put the cream in the luggage, finger not cut or healed before the massage, wearing the glove for the massage) , Sinner would not be able to blame it on the cream. Not to say it didn't happen the way as Sinner has claimed, but just too many twists and turns here, naturally many people don't believe it.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
The ITIA is an industry body and the idea that Sinner is too valuable to be banned works at that level.
If CAS can't be trusted to make a properly independent judgment then that would be the end of tennis' credibility.
If CAS can't be trusted to make a properly independent judgment then that would be the end of tennis' credibility.
In the Pogba case, by reducing the sentence from 4 years to 19 months, Cas seems to buy Pogbas explanation of unaware reception of a high level of testosteron due to a supplement in a medicament. Ironically he was banned for 4 years by the Italian Doping Agency, and himself appealed in front of Cas.
big ted
G.O.A.T.
you left this part out.
this is why halep was suspended..
1. One expert told the tribunal that Halep would have needed to take between 900 and 5,000 times the recommended serving size of Keto MCT to produce the estimated concentrations of roxadustat in her sample, based on the player's explanation and what was known about the metabolism of the drug
2. sinners explanation matched amount of clostebol in his system and made sense
JJGUY
Hall of Fame
It won't change anything on what I said here, it doesn't matter Halep was lying or Sinner was lying or both were telling truth or one was telling truth the other was not etc, the "story" that Halep was telling is relatively simple and can happen let's say at 1% chance, the story that Sinner told us is very twisted and it can happen too, but at 0.01% chance, and this 1% vs 0.01% doesn't mean Halep's claim of innocence is 100x more credible than Sinner's, for all we know, both could be lying, just Halep was telling a far better lie than Sinner's
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Actually, Sinners story is more credible and supported even by scientific studies:
Incidental Clostebol Contamination in Athletes after Sexual Intercourse
Clostebol is a synthetic androgenic steroid with anabolic effects that is frequently used in sports to increase physical performance. Because of medical an
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Clostebol-positive urine after consumption of contaminated meat - PubMed
We examined the relationship between the consumption of meat from animals treated with anabolic steroids and the detection of these steroids in the athletes consuming this meat. We proved that clostebol metabolites (e.g., 4-chloro-delta-4-androstene-3 alpha-ol-17-one) in the urine of one of the...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Detection of clostebol in sports: accidental doping?
JJGUY
Hall of Fame
Actually, Sinners story is more credible and supported even by scientific studies:
Incidental Clostebol Contamination in Athletes after Sexual Intercourse
Clostebol is a synthetic androgenic steroid with anabolic effects that is frequently used in sports to increase physical performance. Because of medical anClostebol-positive urine after consumption of contaminated meat - PubMed
We examined the relationship between the consumption of meat from animals treated with anabolic steroids and the detection of these steroids in the athletes consuming this meat. We proved that clostebol metabolites (e.g., 4-chloro-delta-4-androstene-3 alpha-ol-17-one) in the urine of one of the...Detection of clostebol in sports: accidental doping?
www.wada-ama.org
lol stop beating the dead horse!
Significant when playing match, insignificant during testing, because the drug is wearing off.
Pegula drank beer before testing. She said it's to make her pee easily, but it's common knowledge that athletes drink beer to mask doping.
Bills heiress Jessica Pegula reveals drug-testing secret involving beer
Jessica Pegula, the daughter of Buffalo Bills owners Terry and Kim Pegula, revealed her secret to speeding up drug tests at the US Open... and it involves beer.
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JJGUY
Hall of Fame
Does that mean you are an Italian?
uscwang
Hall of Fame
Sinner's trainer bought the spray in Italy and brought it to the US. This is already a violation of WADA's anti-doping code, as an athlete's team cannot be in possession of banned substances. Considering that nearly 40 Italian athletes have been busted for clostebol, one may ask why?
There is a clear anti-doping warning sign on the package of the spray. But the trainer threw it away.
The trainer claimed that he warned the physio about clostebol when he gave the spray to the physio. But the physio said he forgot about it.
The physio did not wear gloves when massaging Sinner. But for the story to work, Sinner needs to have open wounds too. Guess what? He has a skin condition that causes tiny lesions on his feet.
If these folks get away with this, shame on tennis.
big ted
G.O.A.T.
(but 3rd gen)Even if you give Sinner the benefit of the doubt and this was just a chain of negligent actions, there has to be some kind of consequence.
This is really solid proof, you totally sold me on it.
BenBen
Rookie
Wait till I tell you about his gay lover and the house he rents in Miami when his family stays at the Setai. Your world will fade into black like tears in the rain.
Are you serious? A masking agent for doping? Beer?? You remind me of another guy who said that clostebol was in fact a masking agent for doping. Using doping to mask doping, or beer what else burgers, pizza, orange juice? Couldn't it be that Pegula actually enjoys to have a nice beer after match?Significant when playing match, insignificant during testing, because the drug is wearing off.
Pegula drank beer before testing. She said it's to make her pee easily, but it's common knowledge that athletes drink beer to mask doping.
Bills heiress Jessica Pegula reveals drug-testing secret involving beer
Jessica Pegula, the daughter of Buffalo Bills owners Terry and Kim Pegula, revealed her secret to speeding up drug tests at the US Open... and it involves beer.
The Russian agency even found beer could interfere with the results of the "biological passport" program checking athletes for signs of drug use. "Beer influenced it a lot. It could cause or hide some changes," Pakhnotskaya said, adding there's no evidence athletes were deliberately trying to manipulate the tests.
Alcohol is a diuretic and a depressant. Its effects on the body vary by body size, previous exposure, amount consumed etc. Alcohol has been used by athletes to mask other drugs and is banned in some sports because of its diuretic effect.
WADA to ban athletes from drinking beer before tests in 2021
"Thirdly, the presence of alcohol in a body obstructs a possible detection of a banned performance enhancing substance," RUSADA’s official added.
Alcohol-free doping samples: WADA to ban athletes from drinking beer before tests in 2021
Last March, the Russian Anti-Doping Agency prohibited national athletes from drinking beer and other soft-alcoholic beverages to speed up the process of urination during doping test procedures
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Better_Call_Raul
Legend
Players are tested 365 days a year. At any time. And not just after a loss. That would be absurd.
Sinner was tested March 10 at Indian Wells. After a win. Sinner continued to play Indian Wells until losing SF March 16.
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