WADA APEALS SINNER CASE

[Zardoz7/12]

I was reading that WADA want him punished regardless of the fact he had 1 billionth of a gram, not because of cheating but because of negligence.

But I will say this once again, the amount of hatred he his receiving from twitter and reddit is fffing lunacy, like he's the Omen or something and I think this is from people who support Alcaraz rather than people who want a fair anti-doping system.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I was reading that WADA want him punished regardless of the fact he had 1 billionth of a gram, not because of cheating but because of negligence.

But I will say this once again, the amount of hatred he his receiving from twitter and reddit is fffing lunacy, like he's the Omen or something and I think this is from people who support Alcaraz rather than people who want a fair anti-doping system.

They want to make example out of sinner. And I strongly protest this.

 

[RSJfan]

I was reading that WADA want him punished regardless of the fact he had 1 billionth of a gram, not because of cheating but because of negligence…

WADA are worse than the Brutals.

 

[KennyoFatoBoiyo]

Yeah, but rules are usually made by idiots. The amount in his body was not helping him in any way.

It is like giving someone a speeding tickets for going 1 kmh over. Can you do it? Sure. Should you? Definitely not.

Just because the amount of drug in his system was low doesn't mean the effects of having used it were low.

Because nobody can say for sure when he took the drug and what the levels would have been close to the time he took it. There can be long lasting effects of taking steroids specifically when it comes to strength that takes time to subside.

This is literally just like the argument against Ryan Garcia who defeated Devin Haney in a fight back in April but then tested positive for a PED and it was also just billionths of a gram. He still got banned for a year and his win was taken away.

Rules and rules you can't just start letting players use PEDs and get away with it. And no matter if it was accidental or deliberate it is the player and players teams responsibility to make sure it doesn't get into their system.

Otherwise what kind of precedent are we setting here?? Do we want this to be fair sport or a side show spectacle that isn't taken seriously anymore?

 

[ChrisJR3264]

Real question. Is Clostebol and some other OTC really warranting something that should be banned? I mean if it heals wounds quickly - how much performance enhancing effect does the drug really have?

Karue sell posted something a few weeks ago stating he has to watch certain foods to consume in Columbia bc they don’t require the same regulation in say Europe or US which could trigger a positive test.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Real question. Is Clostebol and some other OTC really warranting something that should be banned? I mean if it heals wounds quickly - how much performance enhancing effect does the drug really have?

Karue sell posted something a few weeks ago stating he has to watch certain foods to consume in Columbia bc they don’t require the same regulation in say Europe or US which could trigger a positive test.

Yeah, sounds like it is beneficial in many ways and not one person has told me how it is enhancing tennis lol

 

[vokazu]

Real question. Is Clostebol and some other OTC really warranting something that should be banned? I mean if it heals wounds quickly - how much performance enhancing effect does the drug really have?

Karue sell posted something a few weeks ago stating he has to watch certain foods to consume in Columbia bc they don’t require the same regulation in say Europe or US which could trigger a positive test.

Unlike some other anabolic steroids, Clostebol Acetate is designed to produce a more favorable anabolic-to-androgenic ratio. This means it promotes muscle growth (anabolic effects) while minimizing masculinizing or virilizing effects (androgenic effects).

 

[uscwang]

WADA is probably like, we thought we closed this loophole. How are players still getting away with it?

WADA anti-doping code
Article 2. Anti-doping rule violations
2.6.2 Possession of a substance that is prohibited in Out-of-
Competition Testing or a Prohibited Method by Athlete Support
Personnel in connection with an Athlete, Competition or training,
unless the Athlete Support Personnel establishes that the
Possession is pursuant to a therapeutic use exemption granted
to an Athlete in accordance with Article 4.4 (Therapeutic Use) or
other acceptable justification.

 

[KennyoFatoBoiyo]

Yeah, sounds like it is beneficial in many ways and not one person has told me how it is enhancing tennis lol

Same argument can be had with Finaesteride and Dusteride which are 5AR inhibitors that block the conversion of testosterone into DHT( the root cause of male pattern baldness) which helps prevent hair loss. This really has zero effect on performance but as they are technically still steroidal in nature they are also banned by the ATP despite not being classic PEDs.

If it weren't for this rule Rafael Nadal would likely still have his hair today. Always kinda wondered why he even bothered with hair transplants when he knew he wouldn't be able to stop further hair loss with Fin or DUT.

Again rules are rules you must follow them or face the consequences.

 

[optic yellow]

WADA should be disbanded. They are now killing tennis.

tbh there is like zero excuse for a player of sinner's level to have this mistake made

 

[Topspin_80]

WADA officials will not be allowed to simply disband their criminal enterprise and slink away. There will be arrests. There will be justice for Carrot and for my fav Dr Raul. There will be blood.

USADA CEO Response to WADA’s Statement Regarding Informants

Ironically, the expansive investigations done by USADA and the involved IF demonstrates exactly what WADA should have done with the Chinese swimmers’ positives.

www.usada.org

Only blood?

No urine?

 

[nolefam_2024]

tbh there is like zero excuse for a player of sinner's level to have this mistake made

I don't know about this.

What I can agree with you is every player should get punishment regardless of intent proven or not.

See NFL rules.

The PED rules don't apply only to players using online purchased steroids, growth hormones, and stimulants. The regulations also forbid coaches, trainers, and agents from providing or encouraging athletes to use the banned substances.

Players, coaches, trainers, or agents face the following penalties for PED violation if tested positive for steroids or other banned substances:

– First-time offenders have to participate in the NFL’s drug program.

– Second- and third-time violators face fines equalling two and four games, respectively.

Further violations involve suspensions, including:

– Fourth-time offenders have to sit out four fixtures.

– Players and officials who test positive for the fifth instance miss ten games.

– Six-time violators face up to a year’s suspension.



Tennis has boneheads ruling doping policy. Instead of talking reasonably the stupid wada is talking 2 year ban for something so trivial.

Do you understand my point of view first?

Then we can discuss further. Instead of vilifying sinner.

 

[JMR]

Tennis has boneheads ruling doping policy. Instead of talking reasonably the stupid wada is talking 2 year ban for something so trivial.

Yes. It's clear that the TADP needs a much more graduated series of penalties, especially given the hypersensitivity of today's test equipment. It makes no sense to jump from no suspension at to all period of one to two years based on the same competitively irrelevant accidental exposure, with only the player's degree of carelessness changing a bit.

 

[optic yellow]

I don't know about this.

What I can agree with you is every player should get punishment regardless of intent proven or not.

See NFL rules.

The PED rules don't apply only to players using online purchased steroids, growth hormones, and stimulants. The regulations also forbid coaches, trainers, and agents from providing or encouraging athletes to use the banned substances.

Players, coaches, trainers, or agents face the following penalties for PED violation if tested positive for steroids or other banned substances:

– First-time offenders have to participate in the NFL’s drug program.

– Second- and third-time violators face fines equalling two and four games, respectively.

Further violations involve suspensions, including:

– Fourth-time offenders have to sit out four fixtures.

– Players and officials who test positive for the fifth instance miss ten games.

– Six-time violators face up to a year’s suspension.



Tennis has boneheads ruling doping policy. Instead of talking reasonably the stupid wada is talking 2 year ban for something so trivial.

Do you understand my point of view first?

Then we can discuss further. Instead of vilifying sinner.

I mean like I would need to have a face to face conversation with Sinner to determine the level of justified vilification. I agree given the probably not substantial benefits of the substance that a suspension measured in single digit months is a more appropriate corrective action.

 

[NaDjoFed]

Unlike some other anabolic steroids, Clostebol Acetate is designed to produce a more favorable anabolic-to-androgenic ratio. This means it promotes muscle growth (anabolic effects) while minimizing masculinizing or virilizing effects (androgenic effects).

Yes but it is about quantity. Sinner tested positive for an incredible low amount with zero effect on performance (I am not saying this but the independent scientists that testified in his trial, which are WADA lab scientists by the way). The point here is about negligence

 

[optic yellow]

Yes but it is about quantity. Sinner tested positive for an incredible low amount with zero effect on performance (I am not saying this but the independent scientists that testified in his trial, which are WADA lab scientists by the way). The point here is about negligence

No it has a mild affect on performance. I definitely felt something when using it to heal wounds.

 

[NaDjoFed]

No it has a mild affect on performance. I definitely felt something when using it to heal wounds.

Ok then the three independent experts are lying or do not know what they are saying

 

[Watching]

Ok then the three independent experts are lying or do not know what they are saying

he knows better, he runs 100m in 7.95 now

 

[Bartelby]

WADA is appealing because the Sinner decision is anomalous.

I was reading that WADA want him punished regardless of the fact he had 1 billionth of a gram, not because of cheating but because of negligence.

But I will say this once again, the amount of hatred he his receiving from twitter and reddit is fffing lunacy, like he's the Omen or something and I think this is from people who support Alcaraz rather than people who want a fair anti-doping system.

They want to make example out of sinner. And I strongly protest this.

 

[Bartelby]

Doping law is based on strict liability. Whatever quantity is in your body, you are liable for an infraction.

No one had to show that Meldonium improved Sharapova's performance. If this were needed, the backlog of cases would be enormous.

Yes but it is about quantity. Sinner tested positive for an incredible low amount with zero effect on performance (I am not saying this but the independent scientists that testified in his trial, which are WADA lab scientists by the way). The point here is about negligence

No it has a mild affect on performance. I definitely felt something when using it to heal wounds.

 

[ChrisJR3264]

Yeah, sounds like it is beneficial in many ways and not one person has told me how it is enhancing tennis lol

It can enhance your

Doping law is based on strict liability. Whatever quantity is in your body, you are liable for an infraction.

No one had to show that Meldonium improved Sharapova's performance. If this were needed, the backlog of cases would be enormous.

Didn’t sharapova have a RX for that too? Wild.

 

[Mustard]

Didn’t sharapova have a RX for that too? Wild.

Meldonium was only put on the list of banned substances on 1 January 2016. Sharapova called a press conference in March 2016, saying that she was pulling out of Indian Wells and that she had tested positive for meldonium at the 2016 Australian Open. Even though it was clearly a case of simply not knowing that meldonium was added to the list of banned substances, she was given a 2-year ban initially, that was reduced to 15 months on appeal.

A cynic would say that in a different time, or in a different circumstance, the powers that be would have protected Sharapova, i.e. when she was younger and a huge financial asset for the WTA's image in the future, or if she was representing the USA instead of Russia.

 

[Lleytonstation]

It can enhance your

Didn’t sharapova have a RX for that too? Wild.

... your what? You are going to leave me hanging here? lol

 

[vokazu]

Yes but it is about quantity. Sinner tested positive for an incredible low amount with zero effect on performance (I am not saying this but the independent scientists that testified in his trial, which are WADA lab scientists by the way). The point here is about negligence

Negligence of how Clostebol can be near him and get to him at tournaments, yes.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Negligence of how Clostebol can be near him and get to him at tournaments, yes.

Life my man, it happens. There is a reason why there is a limit of drinking and driving. The server might have accidentally given you an alcoholic Pina colada when you asked for non alcoholic. But the difference in that situation is at least you would know.

 

[Bartelby]

The reduction in the length of the ban was because CAS recognised that Sharapova was entitled to rely on her agent to read the notice of the ban and he failed.

In this instance, the failure of Sinner's agents (his team) was used in part to justify no suspension. This seems to me totally out of whack with CAS jurisprudence.

Meldonium was only put on the list of banned substances on 1 January 2016. Sharapova called a press conference in March 2016, saying that she was pulling out of Indian Wells and that she had tested positive for meldonium at the 2016 Australian Open. Even though it was clearly a case of simply not knowing that meldonium was added to the list of banned substances, she was given a 2-year ban initially, that was reduced to 15 months on appeal.

A cynic would say that in a different time, or in a different circumstance, the powers that be would have protected Sharapova, i.e. when she was younger and a huge financial asset for the WTA's image in the future, or if she was representing the USA instead of Russia.

 

[Watching]

The reduction in the length of the ban was because CAS recognised that Sharapova was entitled to rely on her agent to read the notice of the ban and he failed.

In this instance, the failure of Sinner's agents (his team) was used in part to justify no suspension. This seems to me totally out of whack with CAS jurisprudence.

dude, seriously, can you please reply BELOW the quote?
This is driving me insane

 

[Bartelby]

You are usually trained the other way around and that makes far more sense.

dude, seriously, can you please reply BELOW the quote?
This is driving me insane

 

[optic yellow]

Ok then the three independent experts are lying or do not know what they are saying

Placebo it could have been sure.

 

[Bartelby]

You are right about this, but I don't see any change on the horizon.

Yes. It's clear that the TADP needs a much more graduated series of penalties, especially given the hypersensitivity of today's test equipment. It makes no sense to jump from no suspension at to all period of one to two years based on the same competitively irrelevant accidental exposure, with only the player's degree of carelessness changing a bit.

 

[Bartelby]

Quantum affects punishment, not liability, so that's a "quantum of solace".

Ok then the three independent experts are lying or do not know what they are saying

 

[ChrisJR3264]

... your what? You are going to leave me hanging here? lol

Oh sorry that was a mistake. Idk how that got in there

 

[ChrisJR3264]

Life my man, it happens. There is a reason why there is a limit of drinking and driving. The server might have accidentally given you an alcoholic Pina colada when you asked for non alcoholic. But the difference in that situation is at least you would know.

Common sense to me is if I had cuts on my feet - I’m telling my trainer to glove up. I’m more worried about other illnesses than closestobol sneaking in my body. Especially if I saw my trainer with a bandage on his finger.

 

[airchallenge2]

Meldonium was only put on the list of banned substances on 1 January 2016. Sharapova called a press conference in March 2016, saying that she was pulling out of Indian Wells and that she had tested positive for meldonium at the 2016 Australian Open. Even though it was clearly a case of simply not knowing that meldonium was added to the list of banned substances, she was given a 2-year ban initially, that was reduced to 15 months on appeal.

A cynic would say that in a different time, or in a different circumstance, the powers that be would have protected Sharapova, i.e. when she was younger and a huge financial asset for the WTA's image in the future, or if she was representing the USA instead of Russia.

The funny thing about this story is that at that press conference she said she had been taking it for 10 years, hahahaha

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

But I will say this once again, the amount of hatred he his receiving from twitter and reddit is fffing lunacy, like he's the Omen or something and I think this is from people who support Alcaraz rather than people who want a fair anti-doping system.

Truth in bold. Of course its the cult of Alcaraz; they soil every platform they can find with their obsessive hatred of Sinner, as if Alcaraz is some clean player. In this era of pro sports, the idea of most tennis players not using some PED is laughable at best, especially where Alcaraz is concerned.

 

[Bartelby]

This was a way of asserting that the substance was harmless and that no one had previously thought to ban it.

The funny thing about this story is that at that press conference she said she had been taking it for 10 years, hahahaha

 

[RSJfan]

It is like giving someone a speeding tickets for going 1 kmh over. Can you do it? Sure. Should you? Definitely not.

Unless you’re DWI or going massively over the speed limit, you don’t get a speeding ticket if you flash a PBA card. Being #1 is the equivalent of a PBA card. Deal with it Carrot haters.

 

[RSJfan]

The WADA does not make the decision. WADA appeals to the CAS.

The Court Of Arbitration For Sport makes the decision.
The Swiss are a reasonable neutral people fine with money laundering.

Regulator's review of over 30 Swiss banks finds shortcomings in money-laundering controls

Switzerland’s financial markets authority says an in-depth review of more than 30 banks conducted this spring found that “a large number” failed to meet basic requirements for analyzing the risk of money laundering.

apnews.com

 

[Bartelby]

CAS is an international body located in Switzerland. Its judges are not exclusively Swiss.

There is a long tradition of locating international bodies in what was a very neutral country.

 

[Topspin_80]

Truth in bold. Of course its the cult of Alcaraz; they soil every platform they can find with their obsessive hatred of Sinner, as if Alcaraz is some clean player. In this era of pro sports, the idea of most tennis players not using some PED is laughable at best, especially where Alcaraz is concerned.

Can you please share your knowledge, and tell us what kind of peds is Alcaraz taking?

I'd love to know that!

 

[Topspin_80]

Yeah, but rules are usually made by idiots. The amount in his body was not helping him in any way.

It is like giving someone a speeding tickets for going 1 kmh over. Can you do it? Sure. Should you? Definitely not.

Actually, it's more like giving a ticket for driving in an area where driving is forbidden.

The amount of clostebol you are supposed to have in your system is zero, and not just a little bit.

 

[Topspin_80]

CAS is an international body located in Switzerland. Its judges are not exclusively Swiss.

There is a long tradition of locating international bodies in what was a very neutral country.

Not many Swiss in that organization.

Actually the big huncho is Australian.

 

[Bartelby]

The President is Australian, but he is not the Director General.

Not many Swiss in that organization.

Actually the big huncho is Australian.

 

[Topspin_80]

The President is Australian, but he is not the Director General.

And he's not the janitor either.

But Coates is the big boss.

CAS dg is the secretary, he's not even a member.

There is nobody above Coates.

Click.

 

[Bartelby]

Coates is very old and turns up now and then to sign off on policy. He is not the day-to-day hands-on director, that's all.

And he's not the janitor either.

But Coates is the big boss.

CAS dg is the secretary, he's not even a member.

There is nobody above Coates.

Click.

 

[Sudacafan]

Which are the odds in Vegas for WADA?

 

[GodlessEndeavor]

I think this thread deserves a bingo card:

https://imgur.com/PuLsAUF

 

[FeroBango]

I was reading that WADA want him punished regardless of the fact he had 1 billionth of a gram, not because of cheating but because of negligence.

But I will say this once again, the amount of hatred he his receiving from twitter and reddit is fffing lunacy, like he's the Omen or something and I think this is from people who support Alcaraz rather than people who want a fair anti-doping system.

Not like Alcaraz was called a fake friend and a fraud by the Sinner crazies for giving a diplomatic press response or anything.

 

[Watching]

Not like Alcaraz was called a fake friend and a fraud by the Sinner crazies for giving a diplomatic press response or anything.

Tbh thas was as neutral a response as he could give

 

[airchallenge2]

This was a way of asserting that the substance was harmless and that no one had previously thought to ban it.

Not sure about that. I heard a lot of incredible benefits that are the definition of a proper PED.