Is this a true or an untrue statement:
Sinner was banned for testing positive for a banned substance.
Yes or no?
Wada says Sinner case 'million miles away from doping'
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Sinner was banned for testing positive for a banned substance.
Yes or no?
The situation, whatever you make of WADA's handling of it is not particularly confusing. There's a minor but easily understood paradox in a player being guilty of recording a drug positive but not being formally regarded as a drug cheat.
Lleytonstation
Bionic Poster
I know a guy whose parents OWN a pharmacy...
The story is odd, but I just dont know what everyone wants to do about it? Call him tainted? Fine, but at some point, does it really matter anymore? The ruling is done, and the sport is moving on.
He's a tainted great. He'll be a tainted GOAT too.
Of course its true, noone is denying that.
But once again, its not doping if it doesnt have a performance enhancing effect, so he is not a doper.
This is just your feelings getting hurt.
I will continue to use the word doper because in the official dictionary definition, a doper is someone who uses banned substances. Sinner used a banned substance and was banned for it. Ergo, he is a doper.
But the sport hasn't moved on. There is international outrage, AO media wants his AO title stripped off, and even Roddick and co smell the BS. The less said about a legion of non-Italian players who see through this all the better.
WADA and the Sinner PR is in full damage control mode as we speak. The sport will move on as is the case with life itself though, but we discuss it out of boredom in our free time.
Dude I know all the particulars. I dont need it explained to me one more time. Again for those of you that follow this and read all the stuff on it cool. But 99.9 percent of people dont follow this crap. Therefore it looks like the guy is a doper cause they suspended him for 3 months. And you fellows can come on here 50 times a day and explain why he isnt a doper and why he took the suspension and bla bla bla.
But for the general sports fan? They dont get this. And they dont get this because of the insane convoluted process and verdict after 18 months of this nonsense. And thats just the way it is.
If you want to use the word wrong, go ahead, but it doesnt make it true.
Doping has a definition, and that is "unlawful use of drugs to enhance or inhibit performance".
So as long as it doesnt enhance performance, its not doping.
I dont see why this is hard to understand.
So why was he banned for using the substance?
Lleytonstation
Bionic Poster
Yeah, but they will. Maybe this will net less Sinner fans, but that is about it.
Sport is no less tainted than before. No titles will be taken, and it wont be the last top player caught doping. Welcome to sports.
It’s quite sad really. I tried explaining this to my friends on Saturday when the ruling dropped and they laughed. No one buys this except the online weirdos who are obsessed with defending him for some odd reason.
Lleytonstation
Bionic Poster
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
you keep falling in the rabbit hole. lets see how deep you will dig
Lleytonstation
Bionic Poster
To be fair though, why is doping considered the "end of times" in tennis, but other sports not so much. Basketball, hockey, and football have very minor suspensions for doping.
We are going in circles. I answered exactly that in my first answer to you.
I don't disagree. In the grand scheme of things people have gotten away with a lot worse but that doesn't mean folks are not entitled to smell the BS when it is happening in real time.
Reacting or not reacting is no more of impact than each other. Neither fero not lleyton station matter to the corrupt sport of tennis that has for the first time in my life, gone below cricket in integrity.
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Well its the defintion of the word.
There might be someone somewhere with an intellect so low they can't understand. There might also be others who are wilfully ignorant who don't understand it because they don't bother trying. Whether people agree with the decision or not, anyone who's bothered to put any effort into understanding how the decision was arrived at would be able to do so.
Nope. A skater recently for similar quantities of clostebol got banned for 6 years. This was a day after WADA gave Sinner the vacation he was due. Hell even cycling took the Lance Armstrong situation more seriously.
Sinner is lucky he chose modern day tennis.
Sinner is lucky he chose modern day tennis.
I can tell you this. If this exact same situation happened in baseball, minimum is 6 months for first offense.
But let's say the same thing happened in baseball. Same convoluted nonsense. And they said well he didnt dope but he had dope in his system therefore he will be suspended for 6 months? The guy would be branded a doper. Now it would not be unrecoverable many guys have come back and done well after being busted. . But he would always be branded as a doper. And thats just the way it is.
But let's say the same thing happened in baseball. Same convoluted nonsense. And they said well he didnt dope but he had dope in his system therefore he will be suspended for 6 months? The guy would be branded a doper. Now it would not be unrecoverable many guys have come back and done well after being busted. . But he would always be branded as a doper. And thats just the way it is.
Yeah all of this is just obfuscating the truth which is that he tested positive for a banned, performance-enhancing substance in his system. That is just a factual statement. You cannot debate that.
Fact: out of all the other top 99 of the top 100 tennis players today, Jannik Sinner was the only one caught with a banned substance in his system. The other 99 guys had a routine that somehow allowed them to NOT have any banned substances in their bodies. That is why the other 99 are not suspended.
Sinner is the outlier. Sinner is different. Sinner had a banned substance in his system, which is why he was suspended. Sinner is different than the other 99 and will forever be different. What makes him different? His doping case and subsequent suspension.
Fact: out of all the other top 99 of the top 100 tennis players today, Jannik Sinner was the only one caught with a banned substance in his system. The other 99 guys had a routine that somehow allowed them to NOT have any banned substances in their bodies. That is why the other 99 are not suspended.
Sinner is the outlier. Sinner is different. Sinner had a banned substance in his system, which is why he was suspended. Sinner is different than the other 99 and will forever be different. What makes him different? His doping case and subsequent suspension.
Lol oh ok Mr. intellectual. The rabble may complain but they are not important right? LOL. Let them eat cake.
See you just dont get it man. They suspended him for not doping dont you understand? Its so simple.
Quasi judicial verdicts aren't determined by popular vote.
Nico Jarry is shocked at the WADA statement. The man was banned for 11 months for even less amount of roids in his system.
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
Because the threshold for no ban was > billion miles distance?
Yeah it’s incredible. He “not-doped” so well that he was the only player in the top 100 to get a suspension for it. Wow!See you just dont get it man. They suspended him for not doping dont you understand? Its so simple.
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
Me and @Rosstour called this months ago. WADA are gunning for a bigger prize than Sinner, the target knows that and the war is now well and truly afoot.
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
As a precedent for the bigger more contentious prize. The reaction to all this is EXACTLY what WADA were after.
It's like this site banning you for three months for not-violating the rules and policies of the site. Congrats you didnt do anything wrong. Your banned!
He didn’t use a banned substance; he was unknowingly contaminated with it.
pierceforehands
Professional
As a Canadian I can confirm Dick Pound is a clown. He dismissed Alex Baumann (a Canadian) admiting and bragging in press conferences about doping when he won his 2 Los Anglees Olympic golds, but does a witchhunt to try and strip medals of Eastern Europeans from 50 years ago, some who are even now dead. He and his team allow Norwegian cross country skiiers and biathletes to dope more than even the East German female athletes in the 70s and 80s and get away with it, with the excuse the entire women (and even mens) team have "asthma", while having stripped and condemmed all Soviets who didn't dope nearly as much as the Norwegians. No doubt Norway is paying some good money to Pound and his team of morons under the table for that one. He and his team are so incompetent they enlisted Victor Conte, one of the former leading doping supplier to help WADA get better at doing their job. So not surprised.
As I said many times I do believe in every sport nearly everyone who reaches the international level, even with with poor results, is doping. But if you are going to pretent to exist for something (WADA) atleast give some impression of knowing how to do your job and doing it evenly and fairly.
Here is the asthmatic 15 time Olympic medalists allowed to legally dope every horse pill under the sun by Pound and his team Marit Bjoergen:
Yes that is a cross country skiier, the holder of a winter record 15 Olympic medals, not a World Record female weightlifter or wrestler, as I am sure you were all thinking when seeing the photos. Never once failed a doping test (atleast publicly) in her career, due to supposably having "asthma". The entire Norwegian cross country, nordic combined, ski jumping, and biathlon teams have asthma by the way, a coincidence that has about a 1 and billion chance of being real.
As I said many times I do believe in every sport nearly everyone who reaches the international level, even with with poor results, is doping. But if you are going to pretent to exist for something (WADA) atleast give some impression of knowing how to do your job and doing it evenly and fairly.
Here is the asthmatic 15 time Olympic medalists allowed to legally dope every horse pill under the sun by Pound and his team Marit Bjoergen:
Yes that is a cross country skiier, the holder of a winter record 15 Olympic medals, not a World Record female weightlifter or wrestler, as I am sure you were all thinking when seeing the photos. Never once failed a doping test (atleast publicly) in her career, due to supposably having "asthma". The entire Norwegian cross country, nordic combined, ski jumping, and biathlon teams have asthma by the way, a coincidence that has about a 1 and billion chance of being real.
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Lleytonstation
Bionic Poster
Most baseball fans and even media do not care about the past players that took steroids. At least not now.
I get some sports take it very serious, but many do not.
NHL, NFL, and NBA give like very small suspensions, some are like 30 days for 1st and 60 days for second infraction. These are also for actual legit doping amounts and on purpose.
Clearly, not everyone is on the same page on how important doping is.
By his own team members, how convenient.
What if someone hacked your account and posted something that got you banned? Should that be a mitigating factor for you or not?
This is indeed a great example by you, thanks!
albertobra
Hall of Fame
Of course he was. Investigation imediately determined what happened and that it was an accident. There was not really any need of a 'process'.
Why punish him? Well a punishment can be considered correct, because he is responsable of his staff. A punishment in this case sends the message to be aware on what your staff puts in your body.
Baseball bans players every year for doping. I am sure it's not a great process either. But at least they have something worked out when a guy does get busted it doesn't turn into a freaking circus now. Dude gets popped. Hes gone. Thats it. I mean heck I aint saying their process isnt corrupt. But for gods sake they at least make it look better.
If baseball learned anything from their past debacle its when we announced someone's doped it doesn't take 18 months the guy doesn't keep playing and we dont negotiate suspensions.
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Lleytonstation
Bionic Poster
I think it being his OWN team member is the reason. If it was an outside source then there would be zero suspension.
The point is, if you want to go by dictionary definitions, he’s still not a doper, because he didn’t use a banned substance.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
To do this the doping agencies needed 11 months and so much money.
STUPID people. Should have banned him straight in march for 3 months last year.
If I was hacked and could prove I was hacked I wouldn't get three months ban. Your saying hes innocent yet gets a three months ban losing out on potential millions in earnings. So yea. It is a great example.
Lleytonstation
Bionic Poster
Very true, but thats my point, it isnt the end of the world. Everyone knows and has accepted that doping is rampant in baseball.
A member of his team was at fault. He's being punished for not managing a member of his team.
He tested positive for a banned substance, so he is a doper.
No, that’s not he definition of doper that you posted earlier.
But they were smart enough to have a process that doesn't turn into a clusterfuck every time someone is busted. Tennis seems determined to turn all of this into a complete mess.
Lleytonstation
Bionic Poster
Tennis is new to it. Give them time lol
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