Wada says Sinner case 'million miles away from doping'

Serious question, can someone explain how it’s possible that Sinner is banned but Ferrara, the guy who ITIA/WADA concluded was at fault for giving the trofeodermin in the first place, is able to sit in Berrettini’s box as his physio?

What is going on?
 
The Tribunal couldn't ban Sinner for 3 months because once they admitted Sinner was not completely faultless they had to give him a year out.

WADA was in the same quandary, which is why Sinner got a secret deal.
 
They can probably only sanction registered players and any attempt to sanction "third parties" could be easily fought in the civil court system.

The cream the trainers used is a legal product, after all, it's just a problem for players.

Kralingen said:
Serious question, can someone explain how it’s possible that Sinner is banned but Ferrara, the guy who ITIA/WADA concluded was at fault for giving the trofeodermin in the first place, is able to sit in Berrettini’s box as his physio?

What is going on?
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Bartelby said:
They can probably only sanction registered players and any attempt to sanction "third parties" could be easily fought in the civil court system.

The cream the trainers used is a legal product, after all, it's just a problem for players.
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This seems so faulty and contradictory as a policy that it borders on nonsense. Players can blame contamination on whoever they want, but then those third parties aren’t actually held responsible for it?
 
RSJfan said:
How is it even possible Aussie Karen can’t follow the basic WADA Code rules at this point. :unsure:
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Because basic reading comprehension would allow him to understand:

Jannik Sinner's case was "a million miles away from doping", a senior figure at the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) has said.

Instead, wild agenda and conspiracy theories drive all of his posts...except when he's willing to believe the lies of proven doper Halep, and cries that she was mistreated, which is absurd on its face, and not help up by any involved body.
 
In horse racing, stewards can warn people off the course but they probably have special powers to do so.

Tennis is a global sport, so that creates legal obstacles.

Kralingen said:
This seems so faulty and contradictory as a policy that it borders on nonsense. Players can blame contamination on whoever they want, but then those third parties aren’t actually held responsible for it?
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WADA made a controversial decision. The "million miles" remark only points toward the scandal. So this statement is an admission.

Sinner still got three months, so you get that for doping.

THUNDERVOLLEY said:
Because basic reading comprehension would allow him to understand:

Jannik Sinner's case was "a million miles away from doping", a senior figure at the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) has said.

Instead, wild agenda and conspiracy theories drive all of his posts...except when he's willing to believe the lies of proven doper Halep, and cries that she was mistreated, which is absurd on its face, and not help up by any involved body.
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Pauamy said:
"that some have claimed will have little effect on Sinner" >>

Some ppl don't understand the terms masking agents and residual when it comes to positive drug tests. Masking agents mean drug cheats often record a low positive when actually the system has high levels. Residual results are when indicators show that previous higher amounts were previously present but are now recording small levels. So quoting the low level means nothing its the positive results is what matters. Remember he got caught twice. Is it really unintentional? No body know. Only WADA or ITIA said so.
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What beep reasoning.

With this type of reasoning, one could say that even those who do not test positive on a doping test are not necessarily clean, given that there are many reasons to cheat on doping tests.

You say only Itia and Wada supported it, that's literally all that matters.

To the moralists of the forum, look at this thread and see who floods the forum with comments full of misinformation just because they can't understand why Sinner was only given a 3 month ban.
These are the ones who must come to terms with it instead of continuing to whine by invoking, always with hypocrisy hidden by total misinformation, justice for alleged favoritism.
 
Bartelby said:
WADA made a controversial decision. The "million miles" remark only points toward the scandal. So this statement is an admission.

Sinner still got three months, so you get that for doping.
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This is an illogical statement. “Million miles” means no doping or micro-doping. Science stamped and sealed. You choose what you believe
 
Winner Sinner said:
How embarrassing.
Don't worry, in the next 3 months Sinner will no longer overshadow Alcaraz.
Sleep peacefully.
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I am not embarrassed at all. No one in my username has tested positive for banned substances and been suspended. We’re all good over here.

Also please don’t use Hitman’s catchphrase.
 
Some people who want to act like a lion behind a keyboard aren't even aware that if they told Sinner that he was a doper he would have every right to sue them for defamation.

Or on the contrary they are aware of the risks they run, and simply limit themselves to writing it in a forum, because they are cowards.
Gentlemen, like the "phenomenon" supporter of Alcaraz (always the most toxic fanbase in the tennis universe) who has flooded the thread with his ravings, if you are convinced that Sinner is a doper, go and write to him privately through one of his social profiles.
The web is a democratic virtual world where everyone can express their thoughts by forwarding them to anyone they want.
 
Kralingen said:
I am not embarrassed at all. No one in my username has tested positive for banned substances and been suspended. We’re all good over here.

Also please don’t use Hitman’s catchphrase.
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Ok, but next time write it without crying.

Don't worry, without Sinner your Alcaraz will flourish again.
Then in 3 months you will disappear again with your tail between your legs.

You are such a toxic fan base that there is nothing left to do but hope for the misfortunes of others.
 
Winner Sinner said:
Ok, but next time write it without crying.

Don't worry, without Sinner your Alcaraz will flourish again.
Then in 3 months you will disappear again with your tail between your legs.

You are such a toxic fan base that there is nothing left to do but hope for the misfortunes of others.
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Wait I get it now… you think I am an Alcaraz fan?
 
JMR said:
The suspension doesn't "just happen" to start and end at the selected dates. You're implying that there is some sort of pretense here that the ban was a randomly configured event, and the parties were then surprised by the outcome: "Well, look at that! Ol' Jannik won't have to miss the French Open after all. Nice bit of fortune for him!" That's ridiculous. The suspension was accepted by Sinner's team precisely because it fits within a time frame that Sinner can tolerate, even if he doesn't like it. And WADA made its settlement proposal at this time knowing that missing a bunch of Masters would be painful, but less so than missing two slams, so there'd be a lot of pressure on Sinner to accept the deal. Why would Sinner accept a settlement with WADA that would guarantee he would miss Roland Garros and Wimbledon? Answer: He would not, and WADA understood that. The suspension had to be configured properly to be accepted at all. A settlement can't be the equivalent of the worst-case scenario for one side.

You're essentially condemning a compromise for being a compromise, i.e., an arrangement that is not optimal for both sides but is acceptable to them by design.
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Man we've been explaining this over and over. I've been labelled a blind fan by some for simply explaining that very same concept. I've given up.
 
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THUNDERVOLLEY said:
Because basic reading comprehension would allow him to understand:

Jannik Sinner's case was "a million miles away from doping", a senior figure at the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) has said.

Instead, wild agenda and conspiracy theories drive all of his posts...except when he's willing to believe the lies of proven doper Halep, and cries that she was mistreated, which is absurd on its face, and not help up by any involved body.
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But are you really wasting time explaining why Ferrara can still circulate on the circuit to a guy who, like all the other fellow believers, is eating his soul because of Sinner?

After Wimbledon 2023, these people really deluded themselves that Alcaraz could win 30 slams.
They were there in trepidation towards the Cas ruling waiting for a verdict that could put the red carpet back on their favorite for the next 1/2 years.

And instead last Saturday they woke up to news that literally shocked them.

"But how, only 3 months?

And now how can Alcaraz return to number 1"

Instead, if they had given him at least 1 year of disqualification, Alcaraz could have gone back to begging for the number 1 exactly as he did in the period when Djokovic was denied taking part in some tournaments due to the anti-covid regulations.

The most toxic fan base in the tennis universe continues unabated towards its self-destruction due to the implosion of livers.
 
Born_to_slice said:
What a load of crap.
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Literally - and seriously - tho -
like, how would any of us know if it’s a load of crap or not?

It could be 10 times worse than we know or it could be just as he says and us TTW posters wouldn’t have a clue.

Don’t we sometimes just have to know our lane?

Unless one is a scientist involved in the technical analysis or you’re Sinner, you have no idea of the truth.
 
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Turning Pro said:
Jannik Sinner's case was "a million miles away from doping", a senior figure at the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) has said.

The men's tennis world number one was handed an immediate three-month ban by Wada on Saturday after reaching a settlement over his two positive drug tests last year.

Sinner, 23, was cleared of any wrongdoing by an independent panel after testing positive for banned substance clostebol in March 2024.

Wada had been seeking a ban of up to two years after launching an appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (Cas) following the initial decision by the International Tennis Integrity Agency (ITIA) not to suspend Sinner.

However, a deal was reached when Wada accepted Sinner was inadvertently contaminated and "did not intend to cheat".

Sinner has stated that he was inadvertently contaminated by his physiotherapist, who was treating a cut on his hand with an over-the-counter spray, which was later found to contain the banned substance.

The case has divided the tennis world, with some questioning the timing and length of the ban, how the Italian was able to agree a deal and inconsistencies between recent doping cases.

It led to Switzerland's three-time Grand Slam champion Stan Wawrinka posting on X: "I don't believe in a clean sport any more."

Novak Djokovic, the 24-time Slam winner, questioned the fairness of the process and said there is "favouritism" towards high-profile players.

This was a case that was a million miles away from doping," Wada general counsel Ross Wenzel told BBC Sport.

"The scientific feedback that we received was that this could not be a case of intentional doping, including micro-dosing."

Wenzel rejected any suggestion of special treatment and said the terms of the ban - that some have claimed will have little effect on Sinner - were appropriate for the case and not taken with the tennis calendar in mind.

Sinner's suspension began on 9 February and runs until 4 May, making him eligible to play at the French Open - the next Grand Slam - which begins on 25 May.

He has not featured competitively since beating Alexander Zverev in the final of the Australian Open on 26 January and could still be ranked number one when he returns to action.

Wenzel said: "Wada has received messages from those that consider that the sanction was too high and, in some respects, if you have some saying this is unfair on the athlete, and others saying it's not enough, maybe it's an indication that although it's not going to be popular with everyone, maybe it's an indication that it was in the right place.

"When we look at these cases we try to look at them technically, operationally and we don't do it with fear of what the public and the politicians or anyone is going to say."

Wenzel insisted that sanctions are "blind to the calendar" and that the ban was executed as swiftly as possible after a resolution had been agreed upon by all parties.

"Once you've reached an agreement, what you can't do is then say 'oh, but we're going to have this apply from two months in the future for a period of three months'," Wenzel said.

"It must come into effect quickly. Of course, once the deal is done, it's important that it is executed and that it is made public for reasons of transparency.

"So it happened, because of the timing of the CAS proceedings, it happened to be decided last Friday, it was a very late night, and it came into effect immediately, so that is the reason for the timing.

"The sanctions that we impose and the code even says this, they're blind to the calendar. The correct sanction should be imposed and it comes into effect when it comes into effect and it shouldn't be modulated or modified to take into account whether the events that are coming up are significant or not significant."

Wada only introduced the possibility of a case resolution agreement in 2021, allowing it to strike a deal with athletes.

Since adding that provision to Wada's rules, Wenzel believes about 67 resolution agreements have come into effect.

"I checked this this morning and and it might be one or two out, but I counted 67 since the provision came into force in January 2021," Wenzel said.

"That's just over four years and there's been 67 of them and they've been applied at different stages, almost all stages of the results management process.

"Some of them have been applied at the beginning, at first instance with Wada's agreement; others have been applied right at the end of the Cas process, as was the case here."
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Well, wherever the real truth is, he knows better than I do.
 
flyneurologist said:
take away your feelings and look at the fact for like one second (or perhaps longer), there is really no basis to ban him more than 3 months.

No scientific basis. Sentence operated on the basic legal framework. People feel like it is so easy to discredit scientists, sport lawyers, athletes and authorities. Like we are better educated and know how to do their jobs better than them.

I am not saying there are situations when other athletes are being treated unfairly but it is better to talk about those athletes’ cases and advocate for structural change. Way more constructive that way
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Yuppers.
 
Everyone knows what happened. We were promised a definitive CAS decision. As this was heading toward a one year ban, WADA pulled out a sweetheart deal.
 
Bartelby said:
Everyone knows what happened. We were promised a definitive CAS decision. As this was heading toward a one year ban, WADA pulled out a sweetheart deal.
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It's not that repeating the same conspiracy story billions of times becomes more believable at the billionth time.
 
Conspiracy theories are not conspiracies. I'm talking about how power does favours behind closed doors. And this is what both the ITIA and WADA have done.

Winner Sinner said:
It's not that repeating the same conspiracy story billions of times becomes more believable at the billionth time.
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Bartelby said:
Conspiracy theories are not conspiracies. I'm talking about how power does favours behind closed doors. And this is what both the ITIA and WADA have done.
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And you still haven't answered me why they brought out the positivity story.

If you want to protect someone, do it from the beginning, again according to the conspiracy, all this would have a logic.
 
The ITIA got Sinner off legally, whereas the scientific process is blind testing.

Winner Sinner said:
And you still haven't answered me why they brought out the positivity story.

If you want to protect someone, do it from the beginning, again according to the conspiracy, all this would have a logic.
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FeroBango said:
Occam's razor.
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You mean that getting contaminated inadvertently because his physio bought a banned substance and gave it to his masseuse who then looked at it and didn’t notice the big red “no doping” sign on the label and then sprayed it on his cut finger before rubbing it onto his 100-million-euro famous superstar client whose livelihood depends on passing frequent drug testing is not the Occam’s razor explanation?
 
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I will say one thing I have learned from this whole thing is some posters I would have sworn would be pro sinner during this are not. And others I would have sworn would be anti sinner during this are not. It's interesting how the lines are drawn in this debate. And no im not talking about the 50 " new users" who enjoy showing up here during things like this.

But the regulars. Just goes to show ya just never know how people will react to things like this even if your sure you do.
 
insideguy said:
I will say one thing I have learned from this whole thing is some posters I would have sworn would be pro sinner during this are not. And others I would have sworn would be anti sinner during this are not. It's interesting how the lines are drawn in this debate. And no im not talking about the 50 " new users" who enjoy showing up here during things like this.

But the regulars. Just goes to show ya just never know how people will react to things like this even if your sure you do.
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There are lots lurkers. I am one. I didn’t make an account until recently when i saw some ridiculous arguments and I couldn’t handle the preposterity .

I do enjoy tennis take on here and thought it was “superior” to other forums.
 
Sharapova was two million miles away from doping, but WADA prosecuted her as an intentional doper deserving of a four year ban.
 
Bartelby said:
Sharapova was two million miles away from doping, but WADA prosecuted her as an intentional doper deserving of a four year ban.
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I think you need to be at least three million miles away.

Honesty just the fact that some doping official would describe this in these terms is pathetic. Like WTF does that even mean. It's like a 7th grader explaining this. No wonder it's such a mess.
 
Lol. Then why this perfect timed plea deal ? This is officially a doping game. As long as he doesn’t miss gs
 
mtommer said:
What a load of common sense, is more like it. Too bad it seems to be true here that common sense isn't quite so common. Hats off to WADA!
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Come on. Why make anything out of this if it's "MILLION MILES AWAY FROM DOPING". If that was true, that would mean they dragged his name through the mud over nothing for almost a year. It's total BS through and through and you tip your hat to them? Makes zero sense. Only way it makes sense is they caught him doping as previously feeble Sinner was suddenly destroying the tour and then big money behind the player and conflicting interests within WADA collided producing a crap which stinks to high heaven.
 
travlerajm said:
You mean that getting contaminated inadvertently because his physio bought a banned substance and gave it to his masseuse who then looked at it and didn’t notice the big red “no doping” sign on the label and then sprayed it on his cut finger before rubbing it onto his 100-million-euro famous superstar client whose livelihood depends on passing frequent drug testing is not the Occam’s razor explanation?
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Additionally, the day one of the massages happened, the masseuse who had his hand taped up while watching a match live on TV, proceeded to not have the tape on whilst the massage happened. So true
 
Turning Pro said:
Wada had been seeking a ban of up to two years after launching an appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (Cas) following the initial decision by the International Tennis Integrity Agency (ITIA) not to suspend Sinner.

However, a deal was reached when Wada accepted Sinner was inadvertently contaminated and "did not intend to cheat".
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So WADA essentially accepted the first-instance Tribunal finding. So why does WADA take the trouble of appealing the Tribunal in the first place, seeking a two year ban, and then turn around and settle for 3 months?

Welcome to the WADA clown show. :rolleyes:
 
WADA could not allow the defence to stand that you are not responsible for your agents mistakes. This fundamental legal error by the earlier Tribunal had to be challenged.

Better_Call_Raul said:
So WADA essentially accepted the first-instance Tribunal finding. So why does WADA take the trouble of appealing the Tribunal in the first place, seeking a two year ban, and then turn around and settle for 3 months?

Welcome to the WADA clown show. :rolleyes:
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Better_Call_Raul said:
So WADA essentially accepted the first-instance Tribunal finding. So why does WADA take the trouble of appealing the Tribunal in the first place, seeking a two year ban, and then turn around and settle for 3 months?

Welcome to the WADA clown show. :rolleyes:
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I guess they felt, as they stated, that it was important to enforce the strict liability aspect. At the end of the day, they did get at least something out of the appeal: three months in a quiet period. But they have caused chaos and mistrust in the process. What a mess.
 
Drighiz said:
I guess they felt, as they stated, that it was important to enforce the strict liability aspect. At the end of the day, they did get at least something out of the appeal: three months in a quiet period. But they have caused chaos and mistrust in the process. What a mess.
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I think WADA just wants money.
 
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