WADA website hacked, Serena & Venus were allowed to use prohibited substances

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TennisBro

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Right. This is a non story. Wada has to pre approve the use of certain medications when they are medically prescribed...they can't prevent athletes from getting health care for christs sake.
What's "pre approved" or not depends on few organizations controlled by powers that turn arround money. Pro sports have become a great business for many enterpreneurs and if you come from the wrong country you may be in a disadvantage. WADA's actions illustrate how it caters to some while closes doors to others.
 

kishnabe

Talk Tennis Guru
Where's @Bartelby ?

This is his favorite topic.

Hope, not...he will make 12 thread on the subject.
Just saw this on ESPN, Sharapova to learn "in early October" about the ruling on her appeal. Shee, this decision keeps dragging on, and being delayed ,it'll be longer than the O.J case.

They are probably delaying it until her sentence is over. I expect the appeal to be delayed longer than the Last Guardian.
 

Crionics

Semi-Pro
You guys are terribly naive. It amazes me that nearly no one realizes the problem with TUE. There is a huge grey area there and athletes can easily buy doctors to diagnose a fake injury requiring some TUE to use banned PEDs. It is actually a very smart way to dope "legally".

One very telling exemple: Salbutamol, a banned substance, was originally designed to treat asthma and is not banned if the athlete claims a medical exemption for asthmatic conditions. Well, guess what? 20% of US male athletes who competed in the 1996 OG were "treated for asthma". :rolleyes: In some sports such as cross country skiing during some edition of the Winter OG, the percentage of athletes pretending to suffer from asthma was as high as 60%. :rolleyes:

LOL

Just mega-LOL
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Right. This is a non story. Wada has to pre approve the use of certain medications when they are medically prescribed...they can't prevent athletes from getting health care for christs sake.
4 pages of posts disagree with you.. And the post you quoted had me defending them by saying they were approved these drugs and did nothing wrong.
 
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Deleted member 120290

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You guys are terribly naive. It amazes me that nearly no one realizes the problem with TUE. There is a huge grey area there and athletes can easily buy doctors to diagnose a fake injury requiring some TUE to use banned PEDs. It is actually a very smart way to dope "legally".

One very telling exemple: Salbutamol, a banned substance, was originally designed to treat asthma and is not banned if the athlete claims a medical exemption for asthmatic conditions. Well, guess what? 20% of US male athletes who competed in the 1996 OG were "treated for asthma". :rolleyes: In some sports such as cross country skiing during some edition of the Winter OG, the percentage of athletes pretending to suffer from asthma was as high as 60%. :rolleyes:

LOL

Just mega-LOL
It is a scientific fact that asthma and ADHD occur most often around Olympics and Grand Slams.
 

Boom-Boom

Legend
:eek:
I'm sure more will be to come and could be fake.
Serena supposedly tested positive to Prednisone. WADA had/have approved her to use this since March 2014 apparently.
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Venus tested positive to triamcinolone. WADA approved her using it since December 2011.
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Translation of one of the articles. Bear in mind, the hackers are some Russian group (fancy bear). So it could be BS and their bitter about Sharapova cause her appeal date got pushed back a month a few hours ago.
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Lol what a surprise: the Williams'are using roids?!? :eek::rolleyes:

Russian hackers should stop this or Serena will lock herself again in her panic room next time a WADA officer knock on her door :D
 

Crionics

Semi-Pro
It is a scientific fact that asthma and ADHD occur most often around Olympics and Grand Slams.

Yes this has been studied extensively by the Olympic Committee, the ITF, Nike, Adidas & co ;)

I am not even surprised or shocked by the news to be honest. I expect all the top players to dope.

The only thing that still surprises me is the amount of delusion among sport fans believing the sport (Tennis or pretty much any other big sport where the $$$$$ flows) is clean.
 
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ctoth666

Banned
What's "pre approved" or not depends on few organizations controlled by powers that turn arround money. Pro sports have become a great business for many enterpreneurs and if you come from the wrong country you may be in a disadvantage. WADA's actions illustrate how it caters to some while closes doors to others.

Well sure...but Imm talking strictly about this case, and Although I don't know Serena's medical history and it's none of my business, let's say out have asthma like symptoms well you'll probably get prednisone. And so WADA has to give exemptions. Federer had surgery...he may have gotten oxy's for all I know, and that's also banned, so WADA has to approve that. So what? These aren't performance enhancing drugs who cares.
 

millicurie999

Semi-Pro
EPO (Erythropoietin) is a hormone which is naturally produced by the kidneys.It can be artificially produced and used to enhance performance, endurance. It increases the number of red blood cells and consequently increases the amount of oxygen that can be delivered to the body's muscles. The cells in the kidney that produce EPO are sensitive to low oxygen levels, which is what makes the use of a hypobaric chamber, very dubious. The hypobaric chamber mimics high altitude training, thus subjecting the body to low oxygen levels. The body responds by making more red blood cells. It could be said to be blood doping, without injecting and is probably why Wada declared, that the use of such a chamber 'violates the spirit of the sport'.

DUH... Of course, it can be used as PED. But what you quoted has nothing to do with my statement (about the scientific definition of steroid vs growth factor).
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Meldonium has not been shown to be a PED by WADA or any scientific research institution anywhere in the world. It's that simple.

When she was caught, Sharapova was taking Meldonium without a doctor prescribing it, without her declaring her use of it and without any ability to demonstrate a medical need for it.


It's pretty simple:

Serena: Demonstrated medical reason
Sharapova: Did not demonstrate medical reason

Serena: Administered by a doctor
Sharapova: Not administered by a doctor

Serena: Declared her intent to use
Sharapova: Did not declare her use

Serena: Applied for a TUE
Sharapova: Did not apply for a TUE

It's really not all that difficult to understand. Some of the substances on the prohibited list have genuine medical use. An athlete can get an illness that requires one of these substances. They are then granted the right to use it.
 

Tony48

Legend
I take the same drug, lol. It's a steroid, but it is certainly not performance enhancing. I was proscribed it for a skin-related severe allergic reaction I developed last year (doctors still don't know what it was)

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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Meldonium is not even a steroid, but a placebo, and it was proscribed.

I take the same drug, lol. It's a steroid, but it is certainly not performance enhancing. I was proscribed it for a skin-related severe allergic reaction I developed last year (doctors still don't know what it was)

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Zoolander

Hall of Fame
Wow what a surprise...... WADA allows the Williams sisters and American athletes to use whatever they want for whatever imaginary condition they have, no problems. What a joke.

Anybody notice Serena took all this stuff during the last 5 years when she's been magically winning all her grand slams, despite being well over 30?

And that all these things were on WADA's banned list, meaning they HAD met WADA's own criteria for being banned due to being performance enhancing? Remember that was the argument from many here when Meldonium was banned, that WADA had strict criteria and it must have met at least 2 of the 3, including that it must be shown it WAS performance enhancing??

WADA are a corrupt joke, and what the USADA CEO said is laughable....

"It is time for the entire international community to stand up and condemn this cyber-attack on clean sport and athletes rights."

Translation: "its time for our corrupt Western friends to pretend to be outraged and to stand up for the rights of American dopers, and their right to dope in secret."
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
TUEs for athletes, but not the reasons for their issuance, should be made publicly available immediately they are given.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Wow what a surprise...... WADA allows the Williams sisters and American athletes to use whatever they want for whatever imaginary condition they have, no problems. What a joke.

Anybody notice Serena took all this stuff during the last 5 years when she's been magically winning all her grand slams, despite being well over 30?

And that all these things were on WADA's banned list, meaning they HAD met WADA's own criteria for being banned due to being performance enhancing? Remember that was the argument from many here when Meldonium was banned, that WADA had strict criteria and it must have met at least 2 of the 3, including that it must be shown it WAS performance enhancing??

WADA are a corrupt joke, and what the USADA CEO said is laughable....

"It is time for the entire international community to stand up and condemn this cyber-attack on clean sport and athletes rights."

Translation: "its time for our corrupt Western friends to pretend to be outraged and to stand up for the rights of American dopers, and their right to dope in secret."
Actually I believe for Serena it was just for a few weeks or even less. Makes sense for Venus who has an autoimmune disease. As people here have posted.
 

Zoolander

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That is proof enough that Meldonium promotes growth while amphetamines stunt growth.
 
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Deleted member 688153

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To be fair you could make those documents up in MS Word in like half an hour.
What evidence do we have that they were taken from the WADA "website" (I assume they mean server)? None of us are in a position to verify them.
 

MaiDee

Professional
To be fair you could make those documents up in MS Word in like half an hour.
What evidence do we have that they were taken from the WADA "website" (I assume they mean server)? None of us are in a position to verify them.

Maybe statement from Venus Williams?
 
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Bartelby

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WADA admitted they had been hacked last month, although they claimed then not to have lost data, and athletes have defended their usage as permitted, so what more do you need?

To be fair you could make those documents up in MS Word in like half an hour.
What evidence do we have that they were taken from the WADA "website" (I assume they mean server)? None of us are in a position to verify them.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The Guardian had to consult the CIA and MI6 before they got the story to their readers:

Several figures in the anti-doping community told the Guardian they believed the hack was not only a retaliation against Wada, which published a scathing report on the Russian government’s vast cover‑up of doping during the Sochi Winter Games in 2014, but also an attempt by the Russian authorities to persuade their own people that the problems in their country were just as bad elsewhere.
 
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Deleted member 688153

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WADA admitted they had been hacked last month, although they claimed then not to have lost data, and athletes have defended their usage as permitted, so what more do you need?
I think that's called opportunism, then. Like some terrorist attack happening in Europe and a cornered-and-in-trouble ISIS falsely claiming responsibility.
They say they were hacked, then "hacker" Firstservingman shows up and says they have some "documents" from the hack (which I actually made in 30mins over my breakfast).
Makes it look way more authentic, I agree, but in reality it proves nothing.

Have Serena, Venus, and WADA directly admitted the validity of these specific documents? That is literally the only proof I would accept. Anything else is likely just hogwash.
Even then they could have been altered to look worse. I would be highly skeptical of anything put out by """"hackers"""" who have obvious motives to falsify.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Your criteria for proof is irrelevant, in any event, given that no one is currently disputing their authenticity.

The media is just glossing over the revelations by saying they are excused usage before engaging in the usual highly ritualised Russophobic tropes.
 
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Deleted member 688153

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Ah, well it would seem from looking above that Venus has admitted that her "private medical data" has been "accessed". I'll take it, for now.

What about Serena's though? That would be much more damaging given her current success, and would be much more interesting to pro-Pova "hackers".
Copying the layout and making one up for Serena wouldn't be out of the question.

I might be sounding overly suspicious here. There's a reason for that. These are literally just random, very-easy-to-fake files that *some dude on the internet* has posted from god knows where, regardless of where he asserts they are from. You can make up anything on the internet - I've been using it long enough to know that one should take stuff like this with a mountain of salt.

But what's the big deal anyway, even if it is totally real? They're prescribed for legitimate medical reasons. No violations have occurred.
 
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The Guardian had to consult the CIA and MI6 before they got the story to their readers:

Several figures in the anti-doping community told the Guardian they believed the hack was not only a retaliation against Wada, which published a scathing report on the Russian government’s vast cover‑up of doping during the Sochi Winter Games in 2014, but also an attempt by the Russian authorities to persuade their own people that the problems in their country were just as bad elsewhere.
So they've "revealed" some legit medical exemptions. Wow.
That's exactly the same as systematic doping where lots of different athletes are taking banned substances without the proper exemptions.
 

fundrazer

G.O.A.T.
Weird how people are so quick to dismiss this stuff as possibly doping by just as quickly saying the TUE's are legit. TUE's are a slippery slope... They've been abused before and they'll continue to be abused in the future.
 

Man of steel

Hall of Fame
Your Russophobia knows no bounds!

TUEs should always be made public as and when they're issued, but not the medical reason for them.

It's called democratic transparency and accountability, comrade!
If the TUE's are made public then the public would be asking on what medical grounds does that athlete have to get a TUE.
Then where do you stop. People will want to know the athletes medical history which against the law.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I can't see how this would be so. The authority is vouching for the validity of the medical reason, so the exemption can be published without it. And should be.

If the TUE's are made public then the public would be asking on what medical grounds does that athlete have to get a TUE.
Then where do you stop. People will want to know the athletes medical history which against the law.
 

Robert F

Hall of Fame
Medical reasons seem legit.

In reality, there is most likely no performance benefit from any of those drugs outside of letting you perform when you have an injury.

In the long run prednisone would most likely make your performance worse not better due to its weight gain benefits in the form of fat. So maybe it should be banned in sumo. Check out people with Cushing's Syndrome. They are not ripped.

Pain medicines won't enhance performance, just allow them when injured. Here I worry about the athlete's long term pain management issues. If you are on oxy to play a match, what damage could you be doing to the injured area?
 
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