WADA website hacked, Serena & Venus were allowed to use prohibited substances

[Bartelby]

TUEs are given through a secretive process lacking in transparency and public accountability by bodies which routinely engage in political favouritism in exchange for funds.

 

[Bartelby]

The drugs that are being excused are serious performance enhancing drugs, whereas Meldonium is a placebo that not even WADA asserts is a PED defined in pharmacological terms.

Medical reasons seem legit.

In reality, there is most likely no performance benefit from any of those drugs outside of letting you perform when you have an injury.

In the long run prednisone would most likely make your performance worse not better due to its weight gain benefits in the form of fat. So maybe it should be banned in sumo. Check out people with Cushing's Syndrome. They are not ripped.

Pain medicines won't enhance performance, just allow them when injured. Here I worry about the athlete's long term pain management issues. If you are on oxy to play a match, what damage could you be doing to the injured area?

 

[Luckydog]

I wonder too . . .

Maybe because Serena beat up Maria so many times at so many big events.

 

[NGM]

If it is legal and understandable as you guys said why WADA had to keep it secret? Why did they hide?

It smells like a dead fish to me. We need an official statement from WADA to make thing clear.

 

[Luckydog]

LOL at the above comment and the many more posters who lack brain cells.

There is a huge difference between taking a medication for a diagnosed condition, and for which an athlete has sought and received an exemption from the WADA for legitimate medical reasons, and doping. I hope that most intelligent people can make this distinction, though it would appear that these hackers hope that most people cannot, including many in this thread.

Buddy you got the point.The damning hackers only listed the medical record files,but they intentionally did not list the files that can prove athletes were legally permitted to take some drug. They want to mislead the guys without enough brain cells.And actually,considering the some posters above,they partly succeed.

 

[DolgoSantoro]

I see lotsa anger but not much in the way of incriminating evidence.

 

[Bartelby]

You are wrong. If you look at the website you can download the TUEs as well as the adverse reports.

Buddy you got the point.The damning hackers only listed the medical record files,but they intentionally did not list the files that can prove athletes were legally permitted to take some drug. They want to mislead the guys without enough brain cells.And actually,considering the some posters above,they partly succeed.

 

[skyline]

If it is legal and understandable as you guys said why WADA had to keep it secret? Why did they hide?

It smells like a dead fish to me. We need an official statement from WADA to make thing clear.

Maybe because people's medical information tends to be private?

 

[Bartelby]

America's golden girl of gymnastics is doped to the eyeballs with amphetamines. Pretty interesting evidence even if you find it acceptable usage.

I see lotsa anger but not much in the way of incriminating evidence.

 

[Bartelby]

Not when they are athletes.

Maybe because people's medical information tends to be private?

 

[skyline]

Not when they are athletes.

Medical info not private for athletes?! Then why did Maria say she could have kept quiet about her ban but chose not to? :-(

 

[Technology Ruined Tennis]

When MLB banned amphetamines, an a.d.d. epidemic soon followed.

 

[Bartelby]

She could only have kept quiet about it until the hearing and she was only banned/suspended at the hearing. She could have kept playing until that date, but most choose not to and quietly withdraw until the hearing so any penalty is backdated.

Medical info not private for athletes?! Then why did Maria say she could have kept quiet about her ban but chose not to? :-(

 

[Bartelby]

ADHD/ADD is also over-diagnosed these days and the strategic use of a disorder to gain legal access to drugs is a tempting situation.

When MLB banned amphetamines, an a.d.d. epidemic soon followed.

 

[sundaypunch]

The only thing I have learned from this thread is that we have a lot of ignorant people posting. It is naive to think that there aren't many athletes (in many sports) that get medical exemptions from the WADA when needed. It's not a "banned substance" when you have permission to take it.

 

[kalyan4fedever]

US is crooked with their crooked stats..Serena and WADA should be ashamed. WADA should come clean on what is going on inside

 

[Bartelby]

The whole point is that even if permitted you gain an advantage and all TUEs should be published immediately they are issued to an athlete.

 

[NGM]

The whole point is that even if permitted you gain an advantage and all TUEs should be published immediately they are issued to an athlete.

Exactly. We are talking about competitive sport. You gave special drug to a player to give her advantage over her opponents and keep secret about it? Is it a joke?

I say, it's ok if those player really need the medicine but why did you hide it? Why don't you just list the names who granted exemption?

 

[Bartelby]

And what if we find out the TUEs were backdated to cover an AAF? - as with Armstrong.

 

[DolgoSantoro]

America's golden girl of gymnastics is doped to the eyeballs with amphetamines. Pretty interesting evidence even if you find it acceptable usage.

Well, as somebody who has ADHD myself, it's hardly in my nature to call bull%^#^ on the possibility of somebody else having it too. If she does indeed have the condition she's been diagnosed with and has indeed gone through the appropriate channels, then it is appropriate usage. You can choose to believe otherwise, of course.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

But there's still no problem here. With the TUE, they're allowed to take this stuff.
This is just an attempted smear because some Russians are (surprise surprise) p*ssed about Pova and other Russian athletes being busted for actual doping.

 

[Bartelby]

It still procures you an advantage and Biles tested positive at the Olympics for drugs. It then all turns on the strictness and fairness of the awarding of exemptions of which we know little.

 

[Bartelby]

There are Russian dopers and Russian Meldonium takers and the two have nothing in common with each other.

But there's still no problem here. With the TUE, they're allowed to take this stuff.
This is just an attempted smear because some Russians are (surprise surprise) p*ssed about Pova and other Russian athletes being busted for actual doping.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

There are Russian dopers and Russian Meldonium takers and the two have nothing in common with each other.

Meldonium is on the naughty list. They took it knowingly. That's doping.
And it's worse because it was systematic. They were encouraged to take this stuff by higher-ups.
I can't say I was ever surprised, though.

And apparently some of them were taking other things too?
It just gets worse...

 

[GrassCourtFan]

Heh, I read the title expecting a scandal and then read the thread to find none.

They didn't use performance-enhancing drugs, they got medical exemptions. Those drugs aren't even performance-enhancing and don't give an unfair advantage, they just have a similar profile in tests to those that ARE. That's why they're prohibited substances (so an athlete can't get out of a failed drug test after the fact by saying their doctor gave them stuff) but that's why they are allowed as medical exemptions (if an athlete requests in advance and provides the medical justification, they can take it as prescribed.)

No scandal here, they followed the rules.

 

[Bartelby]

They did indeed use performance enhancing drugs albeit with an exemption. It begs the question, however, whether the rules for exemption are properly and fairly administered.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Heh, I read the title expecting a scandal and then read the thread to find none.

They didn't use performance-enhancing drugs, they got medical exemptions. Those drugs aren't even performance-enhancing and don't give an unfair advantage, they just have a similar profile in tests to those that ARE. That's why they're prohibited substances (so an athlete can't get out of a failed drug test after the fact by saying their doctor gave them stuff) but that's why they are allowed as medical exemptions (if an athlete requests in advance and provides the medical justification, they can take it as prescribed.)

No scandal here, they followed the rules.

Please don't inject sense into this thread. We were all having so much fun...

 

[Bartelby]

You don't know what you are talking about as usual.

Russian doping of the official variety has nothing to do with either Meldonium or Sharapova.

The fact is that Russian doping is real and the one who first exposed it was one of the chief cheaters who personally profited greatly from his corrupt activities.

America has now turned him into a national hero as usual while Assange and Snowden rot.

Meldonium is on the naughty list. They took it knowingly. That's doping.
And it's worse because it was systematic. They were encouraged to take this stuff by higher-ups.
I can't say I was ever surprised, though.

And apparently some of them were taking other things too?
It just gets worse...

 

[Kalin]

If the TUE's are made public then the public would be asking on what medical grounds does that athlete have to get a TUE.
Then where do you stop. People will want to know the athletes medical history which against the law.

Well, WADA keeps telling us they're all about transparency, fairness and equal treatment of everybody. Transparency usually includes sharing some info. Withholding all this info gives the impression that WADA is taking sides. Which, of course, it is

 

[Deleted member 688153]

You don't know what you are talking about as usual.

Russian doping of the official variety has nothing to do with either Meldonium or Sharapova.

The fact is that Russian doping is real and the one who first exposed it was one of the chief cheaters who personally profited greatly from his corrupt activities.

America has now turned him into a national hero as usual while Assange and Snowden rot.

Hey I'm not trying to defend America here. Just Serena and Venus, who are, as far as we know, honest players who do the right thing and don't deserve to be tarred and feathered without evidence of actual wrongdoing. They are not their country - and neither is Pova, who I'm sure is far nicer and more honest than the Russian government, whatever she's done.

Politics doesn't belong in sport. It's so toxic.
The problem is that in a dictatorship like Russia it's impossible to separate the politics from it. It seeps into everything.

 

[Kalin]

It's not a "banned substance" when you have permission to take it.

Wordplay. It can be said with equal conviction that if a substance requires a special permission to be taken this pretty much is the exact definition of a banned substance.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

You say don't talk about politics and then invent a special case that justifies talking about politics?

Serena and Venus do the right thing. The glorious people's government of Russia does the wrong thing.

I'm saying that politics doesn't belong in sport, but it's there regardless.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Wordplay. It can be said with equal conviction that if a substance requires a special permission to be taken this pretty much is the exact definition of a banned substance.

They're definitely banned substances. They took banned substances, that's for sure.
But the exemption nullifies that action. I think that's what they're getting at.

 

[Tcbtennis]

There is a U.S. Law known as HIPAA that protects patient's private medical records. WADA cannot be "transparent" and broadcast this information just so the greedy public can be satisfied to know deeply personal medical information. That would be illegal. Serena and Venus did everything by the book. The drugs that they got exemptions for are commonly prescribed for a myriad of inflammatory conditions as varied as autoimmune disease, asthma exacerbations, skin rashes, joint inflammation, etc. Prednisone or methylprednisolone is not building large muscles or making one speedy around the court. This article is much ado about nothing.

 

[Kalin]

They're definitely banned substances. They took banned substances, that's for sure.
But the exemption nullifies that action. I think that's what they're getting at.

No argument with that. I was just contesting the wrong assumption that a medical exemption somehow makes them un-banned, which is what some are trying to show. They're still banned substances.

And mind you, these paper could be fake and Serena and Venus could be pure as spring water.

One more thing- you said earlier that sports shouldn't be politicized yet the Russians are guilty of it. I assume you don't follow American sports coverage during the Olympics a lot. Because then you would know what 'politicizing sports' actually means. The Russians (and the Chinese) still have a lot to learn from the good ole US of A when it comes to seamlessly mixing sports, politics, prejudice and rampant nationalism

 

[Tshooter]

The Kremlin has rebooted Barti ! But with no improvement to the software.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

No argument with that. I was just contesting the wrong assumption that a medical exemption somehow makes them un-banned, which is what some are trying to show. They're still banned substances.

And mind you, these paper could be fake and Serena and Venus could be pure as spring water.

Exactly.

One more thing- you said earlier that sports shouldn't be politicized yet the Russians are guilty of it. I assume you don't follow American sports coverage during the Olympics a lot. Because then you would know what 'politicizing sports' actually means. The Russians (and the Chinese) still have a lot to learn from the good ole US of A when it comes to seamlessly mixing sports, politics, prejudice and rampant nationalism

Can't argue with that either. I'm Aussie, so I see very little purely American coverage, unless you count McEnroe and co. for the US Open.

 

[Kalin]

WADA cannot be "transparent" and broadcast this information just so the greedy public can be satisfied to know deeply personal medical information. That would be illegal. Serena and Venus did everything by the book.

You're contradicting yourself in the very same paragraph You say these things aren't pubic yet you're sure everything was done 'by the book'. How do you know? Do you have 'the book' and Venus & Serena's medical info? Isn't that illegal, as you say?

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Me when I'm already not in a good mood and then someone bags Federer.
The facial expression and posture too.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

You're contradicting yourself in the very same paragraph You say these things aren't pubic yet you're sure everything was done 'by the book'. How do you know? Do you have 'the book' and Venus & Serena's medical info? Isn't that illegal, as you say?

With any luck they'll remain that way.

 

[Kalin]

With any luck they'll remain that way.

Given the leaks I'd say someone's luck is running out

 

[Bartelby]

AAFs and TUEs are not medical records. Why should we not know that Biles tested positive and yet had a legitimate excuse to do so?

There is a U.S. Law known as HIPAA that protects patient's private medical records. WADA cannot be "transparent" and broadcast this information just so the greedy public can be satisfied to know deeply personal medical information. That would be illegal. Serena and Venus did everything by the book. The drugs that they got exemptions for are commonly prescribed for a myriad of inflammatory conditions as varied as autoimmune disease, asthma exacerbations, skin rashes, joint inflammation, etc. Prednisone or methylprednisolone is not building large muscles or making one speedy around the court. This article is much ado about nothing.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Why should we not know that Biles tested positive and yet had a legitimate excuse to do so?

Because the court of public opinion knows no bounds.
To many of the unwashed masses, the moment they hear "positive", they'll call her a doper and a cheat etc.
Saying "Biles tested positive" in any context is asking for her and the sport to fall into disrepute in the opinion of those who may already be prejudiced against her/the USA or are just generally clueless (the latter being a good percentage of total viewers).

Only actual violations matter.

Thanks for the killer signature, by the way. I just wish Bush had said that or something...

 

[Bartelby]

The infamous case of Carl Lewis:

Carl Lewis has broken his silence on allegations that he was the beneficiary of a drugs cover-up, admitting he had tested positive for banned substances but claiming he was just one of "hundreds" of American athletes who were allowed to escape bans.

"There were hundreds of people getting off," he said. "Everyone was treated the same."

Lewis has now acknowledged that he failed three tests during the 1988 US Olympic trials, which under international rules at the time should have prevented him from competing in the Seoul games two months later.

The admission is a further embarrassment for the United States Olympic Committee, which had initially denied claims that 114 positive tests between 1988 and 2000 were covered up. It will add weight to calls by leading anti-doping officials and top athletes for an independent inquiry into the US's record on drug issues.

Last week Dr Wade Exum alleged that a ban imposed on Lewis after positive tests for three stimulants had been overturned by the USOC when the athlete said he had ingested them mistakenly in a herbal supplement.

Lewis received only a warning after officials ruled that his positive tests were due to "inadvertent" use. Some scientists believe the substances could have been a masking agent for more serious drugs, such as anabolic steroids.

 

[Bartelby]

They know about Biles now and I don't see a lynch mob forming!

Because the court of public opinion knows no bounds.
To many of the unwashed masses, the moment they hear "positive", they'll call her a doper and a cheat etc.
Saying "Biles tested positive" in any context is asking for her and the sport to fall into disrepute in the opinion of those who may already be prejudiced against her/the USA or are just generally clueless (the latter being a good percentage of total viewers).

Only actual violations matter.

Thanks for the killer signature, by the way. I just wish Bush had said that or something...

 

[Deleted member 688153]

The infamous case of Carl Lewis:

Carl Lewis has broken his silence on allegations that he was the beneficiary of a drugs cover-up, admitting he had tested positive for banned substances but claiming he was just one of "hundreds" of American athletes who were allowed to escape bans.

"There were hundreds of people getting off," he said. "Everyone was treated the same."

Lewis has now acknowledged that he failed three tests during the 1988 US Olympic trials, which under international rules at the time should have prevented him from competing in the Seoul games two months later.

The admission is a further embarrassment for the United States Olympic Committee, which had initially denied claims that 114 positive tests between 1988 and 2000 were covered up. It will add weight to calls by leading anti-doping officials and top athletes for an independent inquiry into the US's record on drug issues.

Last week Dr Wade Exum alleged that a ban imposed on Lewis after positive tests for three stimulants had been overturned by the USOC when the athlete said he had ingested them mistakenly in a herbal supplement.

Lewis received only a warning after officials ruled that his positive tests were due to "inadvertent" use. Some scientists believe the substances could have been a masking agent for more serious drugs, such as anabolic steroids.

Lewis was an actual doper.

I love how he's been throwing shade on Bolt, too.
Usain would be greater than Lewis ever was even if the latter wasn't a cheat.

 

[Vanhool]

Biles and Lewis are not tennis players. This is the general pro section, not odds and ends.

 

[Bartelby]

We didn't know Lewis was a doper at the time.

Lewis was an actual doper.

I love how he's been throwing shade on Bolt, too.
Usain would be greater than Lewis ever was even if the latter wasn't a cheat.

 

[Bartelby]

It's all about the same leak and the same topic, so it is pedantic to separate these things out.

Biles and Lewis are not tennis players. This is the general pro section, not odds and ends.

 

[NGM]

The infamous case of Carl Lewis:

Carl Lewis has broken his silence on allegations that he was the beneficiary of a drugs cover-up, admitting he had tested positive for banned substances but claiming he was just one of "hundreds" of American athletes who were allowed to escape bans.

"There were hundreds of people getting off," he said. "Everyone was treated the same."

Lewis has now acknowledged that he failed three tests during the 1988 US Olympic trials, which under international rules at the time should have prevented him from competing in the Seoul games two months later.

The admission is a further embarrassment for the United States Olympic Committee, which had initially denied claims that 114 positive tests between 1988 and 2000 were covered up. It will add weight to calls by leading anti-doping officials and top athletes for an independent inquiry into the US's record on drug issues.

Last week Dr Wade Exum alleged that a ban imposed on Lewis after positive tests for three stimulants had been overturned by the USOC when the athlete said he had ingested them mistakenly in a herbal supplement.

Lewis received only a warning after officials ruled that his positive tests were due to "inadvertent" use. Some scientists believe the substances could have been a masking agent for more serious drugs, such as anabolic steroids.

Corruption and shame at highest level.