Was having issues playing on hard court
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Saul Goode
Semi-Pro
You are the Fred Phelps of TTW.
TimeToPlaySets
Legend
You sure they are not 3.5 ?
Have you looked up UTR rating of these players you think are 4.0
Curious what range they fall under.
R1FF
Professional
They fall under this range...
They hit approach shots with topspin & pace with consistency. They can also slice it hard & low. Either way they punish EVERY ball that is hit short.
3.5’s cannot do that.
am1899
Legend
Fixed.
FiReFTW
Legend
Here in europe there are alot of clay courts (true orange clay).
I tend to play quite alot on clay in the summer around 80% and around 20% on hard courts.
In the winter I tend to play around 85% on either indoor hard courts or indoor carpet courts and probably around 15% on indoor clay courts.
So I have good experience with both surfaces.
Clay courts vary amongst each other, as do hard courts and carpet courts... one clay court might be slow, while another quite faster, bounces also different...
But clay courts as a whole are still alot slower than hard courts yet alone carpet courts.
Its very hard to hit winners and aces on clay, the ball is much slower, but it does tend to bounce higher so topspin is much more useful.
Hard courts are much faster and the ball skids much more after bounce and bounces tend to be a bit lower than clay, tho not as much (depends on surface).
Carpet courts tend to be similar to hard courts in speed but the ball bounce is very low usually.
I tend to play best on hard courts, I like the bounce and the ball speed most, specially on those medium fast ones, slower hard courts are not that good anymore.
But its no suprize someone who plays alot on clay struggles on a hard court, because the ball speed is much faster.
I tend to play quite alot on clay in the summer around 80% and around 20% on hard courts.
In the winter I tend to play around 85% on either indoor hard courts or indoor carpet courts and probably around 15% on indoor clay courts.
So I have good experience with both surfaces.
Clay courts vary amongst each other, as do hard courts and carpet courts... one clay court might be slow, while another quite faster, bounces also different...
But clay courts as a whole are still alot slower than hard courts yet alone carpet courts.
Its very hard to hit winners and aces on clay, the ball is much slower, but it does tend to bounce higher so topspin is much more useful.
Hard courts are much faster and the ball skids much more after bounce and bounces tend to be a bit lower than clay, tho not as much (depends on surface).
Carpet courts tend to be similar to hard courts in speed but the ball bounce is very low usually.
I tend to play best on hard courts, I like the bounce and the ball speed most, specially on those medium fast ones, slower hard courts are not that good anymore.
But its no suprize someone who plays alot on clay struggles on a hard court, because the ball speed is much faster.
Soon you will be arguing/contradicting only yourself as you ignore list grows.
TimeToPlaySets
Legend
Soon, I will be back to talking about hard court vs. clay with one less troll in my feed.
Another useless clown goes on ignore.
@FiReFTW How do you alter your game when changing surfaces?
On hard, I was going for less even with my FH, since I felt the timing was off, and the court felt smaller.
Such a little baby, you take your tennis balls and go home when called out. I hesitate to call you a troll as I don’t want to insult real trolls, but you are an unintentional troll.
Saul Goode
Semi-Pro
in spite of all the diversion, the question remains. Did you figure it out, or is it still a mystery?
mad dog1
G.O.A.T.
What do you think? It took him 2 years to finally figure out that he was cinching up his butchered Parnell knot incorrectly!!!
Most people figure it out in a few tries.
He won’t have any threads if folks on his ignore list not responding is the criterion
mad dog1
G.O.A.T.
The answer is to get lessons on THE hard court with your D1 coach. Drill all strokes thousands of reps on THE hard court so you have the confidence to execute them under any condition. Well that is until you play a match on a different hard court that plays at a different speed than the first one. Then it’s back to square one. So you must drill all strokes for thousands of reps on every hard court in the world.
NastyWinners
Hall of Fame
You forgot pray harder than your opponent on THE hard court.
J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
A few years ago my coach bestowed upon some words of wisdom that have stuck with me and gotten me through some tough times on the court, "shut the **** up and hit the ball."
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NastyWinners
Hall of Fame
Yeah, that sounds about right. My coach uttered similar things.
then you'll probably never become neither 3.0 nor 3.5
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
Reminds me of playing a TTW memeber this summer on that synth grass and sand. Was so dang fast and almost no bounce. So different from the HC's and few clay courts I have played on - actually than either of us had played on. So the first set was a lot of trial and error, and we both kinda laughed about it. The key was to have much more focus on earlier prep and a conscious effort to use better footwork and not set as expected/normal. Our second set went much better and I started to embrace the surface more. It was fun and a HUGE challenge.
Basically, identify the change and move more.
TimeToPlaySets
Legend
Same here. The serves on a synth turf skid. Very hard to even get back in play. Glad it's not just my imagination.
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
Surprise AZ hard courts I play on mostly are medium courts with a bit of grit, so decent bounce. When I was in Vegas last week with the other TTW folks, Darling hard court surface was slower and seemed very gritty to me, so I found myself at the start lerching forward for balls when they stopped shorter than expected. We talked about that a bit, but I had to focus more and use a bit more active footwork is all and everything was good.
One of the reasons I like to play leagues is that variety fo courts we get. Heck, one place had basketball conrete with a simple painted surface, and with a nice fine layer of dust. It was a slice fest becuase the ball would leave a skid more than twice the size of the balls. So slick.
NastyWinners
Hall of Fame
Earlier this year for USTA we played at an old airplane hangar that was converted to an indoor facility. Courts were very slick and fast because of that fine layer of dust you spoke of. Actually was quite fun to play on as it rewarded my slice serve quite handsomely as well as my ability to hit the ball early off the bounce.
haha will do will do. words of wisdom.
Yup, you are definitely right. Not anytime soon. Because i am computer rated at 4.0.
norcal
Legend
Actually, yes, he is. Here’s more proof.
1. He really believed that topspin makes the ball go into the net.
2. He couldn’t figure out how to open a set of strings without ending up with a bird’s nest tangled mess that required 30 mins to unravel.
3. Because he couldn’t string a racquet in under 2 hours, anyone who claimed they could do it in 20 mins was a liar.
4. In cinching up a Parnell knot, he pulled the first loop tight, then took an awl to struggle to reopen the knot he just cinched up tight to slip the tail of the string through for the second loop. And he continued to do this for almost a year before he shared what he was doing on the stringing forum at which point a few patient members kindly pointed out he was tying the knot incorrectly. Of course he told them they had zero idea what they were talking about because he was too dense to understand their instructions. Finally he blamed his incorrect method of cinching the knot on an step by step instructional video created by a a very good professional stringer which he admitted to watching with the sound muted. To this day, he blames the video for his incorrect knot.
And there are many, many more examples.
WestboroChe
Hall of Fame
Slice is very effective on HC for that reason. I love when I hit a low hard slice and the opponent just sort of flails at it because, as you said, it just doens't come up.
You ever play on grass? Even more so.
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Guest
I am sure he reads all the messages in his thread, ignore or not......
Born_to_slice
Legend
Hard is in most cases faster so that's why your timing is off. Bounce is lower and you can't slide like you do on clay. Even on pro tour, not all players can execute their games equally on all surfaces. If you only played on clay so far, it's normal that you feel uneasy on HC, at least until you put some hours into it..
Morch Us
Hall of Fame
Mindless bashers like "Roger Federer" likes hard courts(or grass which is even faster).
Extreme pushers like "Rafa Nadal" likes clay.
And then there are the pusher+basher counter-punchers like Djokovic who likes both.
I just borrowed the words from TTPS
It is a known fact that clay is slower, and requires more pattern based game since it is hard to get a single point finishing shot, and what you did in the last 3 or 4 shots does matter more. In faster courts (grass or hardcourt), aggressive point finishing shots has higher rewards, and so a lot of the times it only matters what you did on last 1 or 2 shots.
But you can tune your style of play better and still play good in all surfaces. Which means you can actually get good at playing mainly pattern based play in hardcourts, and can get good at aggressive style play in clay courts.
Extreme pushers like "Rafa Nadal" likes clay.
And then there are the pusher+basher counter-punchers like Djokovic who likes both.
I just borrowed the words from TTPS
It is a known fact that clay is slower, and requires more pattern based game since it is hard to get a single point finishing shot, and what you did in the last 3 or 4 shots does matter more. In faster courts (grass or hardcourt), aggressive point finishing shots has higher rewards, and so a lot of the times it only matters what you did on last 1 or 2 shots.
But you can tune your style of play better and still play good in all surfaces. Which means you can actually get good at playing mainly pattern based play in hardcourts, and can get good at aggressive style play in clay courts.
FiReFTW
Legend
Mindless bashers like "Roger Federer" likes hard courts(or grass which is even faster).
Extreme pushers like "Rafa Nadal" likes clay.
And then there are the pusher+basher counter-punchers like Djokovic who likes both.
I just borrowed the words from TTPS
It is a known fact that clay is slower, and requires more pattern based game since it is hard to get a single point finishing shot, and what you did in the last 3 or 4 shots does matter more. In faster courts (grass or hardcourt), aggressive point finishing shots has higher rewards, and so a lot of the times it only matters what you did on last 1 or 2 shots.
But you can tune your style of play better and still play good in all surfaces. Which means you can actually get good at playing mainly pattern based play in hardcourts, and can get good at aggressive style play in clay courts.
Yes faster courts for the win!
Clay makes it hard to hit winners and get aces, you have to go for more in order to get enough penetration through the court which makes consistency harder.
Badmrfrosty
Rookie
This is my favorite TTPS and when I realized he is delusional narcissist..... What world is he living in? "Human Sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria. 3.0s who look like 4.5"
rogerroger917
Hall of Fame
Where is our buddy ttps at? Playing mixed doubles as the weaker partner?
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J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
rogerroger917
Hall of Fame
J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
rogerroger917
Hall of Fame
R1FF
Professional
I’ll pray for you.
Saul Goode
Semi-Pro
Comrade TTPS has been recalled back to Moscow for new assignment: with trolling skill increase from level 1 annoy to level 6 disrupt, Time To Playovich Setskov has greater value in larger scope. No tennis play for you.
FiReFTW
Legend
Would you actually even contemplate playing him? Hes a 3.5 according to him, so you would find it boring wouldn't you?
J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
FiReFTW
Legend
Bully!
Its not bully. TTPS is among 3.5s, who hit harder than ATP pros. Jolly is the one to worry
vex
Legend
Fixed
