well... was it? can't tell from that angle on the review.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdYgc8DobUY#
thanks rogernext for the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdYgc8DobUY#
thanks rogernext for the link
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Was it a foot fault?
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TheSubdude
Rookie
Hey dummy, Mac is sitting in the pressbox looking down on the action. He has a better view than us.
Even if he were at home looking at the TV, she wasn't SV and in that situation you let the players play.
I say this and I don't like Serena.
Tennis Dunce
Semi-Pro
It appears her toe was legal...but the middle of her foot clearly on the line. Easy call.
Fedace
Banned
YOU IDIOT... MAC was talking about it off the View of the Replay.... He is FAR away from that line......FAR FAR away,,,, he needs a binocular to have 1st person view of that foot.... MAC was strictly talking off the replay of the video YOU and i were seeing off of............:evil::twisted:
soyizgood
G.O.A.T.
Hard to say. Serena did move her foot and unless you had a better camera angle, the linesperson had the best view. Serena was pressing because she was only winning 30% of her 2nd serves that set. Serena also made a foot fault earlier that match on a first serve.
The way Serena handled that situation really cost her. Her breaking that racquet after the 1st set came back to haunt her.
The way Serena handled that situation really cost her. Her breaking that racquet after the 1st set came back to haunt her.
First of all, potty mouth didn't lose because of foot fault. CBS had to turn off sound when they replayed scene. I was watching with 5-year-old daughter, who was rooting for that horrible person. I have a very tough time to explain what it was. My conclusion for my daughter is,
In sports, (actually in any case,) if you are mean, You lose.
As for foot fault, a linesman could see better than ANYONE, include player him/herself, IMHO. (who looks at his/her foot when serving?)
In sports, (actually in any case,) if you are mean, You lose.
As for foot fault, a linesman could see better than ANYONE, include player him/herself, IMHO. (who looks at his/her foot when serving?)
Hey come on, that's just rude:
the lines person was even closer than mac, and that's her JOB, to stare at the server's feet to see if they close over. Remember, if the player twists his/her HEEL into the court, even though it's not physically touching the line, it's still a foot fault.
Also, do you really think Mac stares at player's feet every time they serve? That's the linesperson's job.
I've seen dozens of foot faults, many on Grand Slams, and every time there was a CLEAR angle that showed me whether it was one or not. Even in the US Open.
Now are these guys serious? Is that LAME camera the ONLY one they have to show us the fault? Really? C'mon I don't believe that. Why won't they show us a better angle?
Does anyone else think they're not showing other angles because of this huge controversy? What if they showed and it happenned not to be a foot fault? It would be a huge, huge mistake right there. Anyone else think they're playing it safe here? It seems dodgy to me.
I just would like to know the truth here, I wasn't exactly rooting for Serena but I definitely want to know if the call was good.
Now are these guys serious? Is that LAME camera the ONLY one they have to show us the fault? Really? C'mon I don't believe that. Why won't they show us a better angle?
Does anyone else think they're not showing other angles because of this huge controversy? What if they showed and it happenned not to be a foot fault? It would be a huge, huge mistake right there. Anyone else think they're playing it safe here? It seems dodgy to me.
I just would like to know the truth here, I wasn't exactly rooting for Serena but I definitely want to know if the call was good.
T10s747
Rookie
Her toe was good but she pivots her whole foot so that the side of her foot is on the line IMO. Reading her lips as she approached the lines person, Serene said, "I'm going to shove this ball down you f@cking throat!" The chair let the first attack go. It was only after the 2nd attack that the chair asked the lines person what Serena said. That cost her the point penalty inconveniently at match point. Serena was unrepentant in the interview and wouldn't apologize for her actions. You can take the girl out of the hood but you can't take the hood out of the girl. She will lose endorsement $$$ for this action.
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varsity8993
Rookie
And surely there is no way the linesperson was biased.
JankovicFan
Semi-Pro
How could Serena be so sure she didn't foot fault when she was busy watching the ball? Even if cameras ultimately show no foot fault, Serena wouldn't have known, would she? Wasn't she just angry about the timing? I really don't want to hear that Serena was the victim here. There must be a better way to handle a foot fault call a player doesn't like.
That sure did a great job of undermining Clijsters's success. You could see that Kim knew that too. Nice pay day though.
That sure did a great job of undermining Clijsters's success. You could see that Kim knew that too. Nice pay day though.
even with the poor angle......you could tell that even if it was..........it was too close for that line judge to tell.........
regardless.......i was shocked at serena's outburst. and felt she got what she deserved.
serena used to the mellow one.......wonder what happened there?
regardless.......i was shocked at serena's outburst. and felt she got what she deserved.
serena used to the mellow one.......wonder what happened there?
hellonewbie
Rookie
When you say "into the court", I assume you mean touching the court. Just to clarify, player has to physically touch the area including and beyond the baseline or the extension of center marker or sidelines to be considered foot-faulting. Here's a summary:
http://www.tennisonline.net/rules/rules/rule8.html
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markwillplay
Hall of Fame
makes no difference. The lines person was threatened. And folks, the person threatening her was only feet from her shaking a stick at her. I was in law enforcement a long time and if this was on the street, Serina goes to jail for communicating threats...plain and simple. I only wish the lines person would have gotten out of her chair and backed up putting her hands up. That would have been quite appropriate.
Bottom line is that Serina would rather go out like that than lose the match fairly which she was about to do. She was outplayed in every way, mad about it, and her true character showed.
I absolutely believe that our character shows more when we face adversity than it does when we are on top. I have lost my temper many times during a match and acted out when I was a "child" as many adults around here do (sadly). I loved to watch Mac...he was a great tennis player but he had no character. Still doesn't. Niether does Serina. Shame.
Bottom line is that Serina would rather go out like that than lose the match fairly which she was about to do. She was outplayed in every way, mad about it, and her true character showed.
I absolutely believe that our character shows more when we face adversity than it does when we are on top. I have lost my temper many times during a match and acted out when I was a "child" as many adults around here do (sadly). I loved to watch Mac...he was a great tennis player but he had no character. Still doesn't. Niether does Serina. Shame.
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I think it was *probably* barely a foot-fault, which she does all the time. I think, in this circumstance, it should have been a no-call. It's like the Nadal delay of game. Either call it or don't, but don't call it irregularly and/or wait until match point. Having said that, I think her reaction was classless. You cannot threaten to shove a large object down someone's f-ing throat. She should be fined and suspended. She should take decorum lessons from her sister.
She ruined what should have been Kim's night. Classless.
She ruined what should have been Kim's night. Classless.
Supernatural_Serve
Professional
Foot fault!
But, it should not be called in a match at this time. Let the players play, she wasn't serving and volleying and running into the court, a totally different scenario that should be called at this point in the match, since it is designed to gain an advantage, an inadvertant toe stepping on the paint, no way, that should not be called.
But, it should not be called in a match at this time. Let the players play, she wasn't serving and volleying and running into the court, a totally different scenario that should be called at this point in the match, since it is designed to gain an advantage, an inadvertant toe stepping on the paint, no way, that should not be called.
Raiden.Kaminari
Semi-Pro
As a linesperson, you're supposed call what you see.
It doesn't matter what point it is, or what serve it is.
And it shouldn't matter if you're supposed to be the #1 player in the world. The rule applies to everyone.
Anything else and people can claim bais or prejudice.
markwillplay
Hall of Fame
she was gettin whooped.....she came unglued....she had no answer if she could not ace...she was out classed in EVERY way.
From looking at the replay it appears Serena foot faulted. All I can say is Serena conducted herself unprofessionally and in poor judgment of attacking the linesperson and telling her that "I will kill you".
"If I could, I would take this ... ball and shove it down your ... throat and kill you," Williams said.
Serena deserved to lose the match, she sucks!
"If I could, I would take this ... ball and shove it down your ... throat and kill you," Williams said.
Serena deserved to lose the match, she sucks!
Yeah sure. And the reality hits.
The angle we were shown does not show any "clear" foot fault.
Love Game
Talk Tennis Guru
It really doesnt matter whether the call was correct or not, because tennis players get incorrect calls all the time. They know better than to threaten a line judge. They know better than to curse with microphones all around.
It's what Serena did that cost herself the match. If she hadnt been already losing the match, she might not have allowed herself to lose control.
crazysoccer00
Rookie
Since when are referees "supposed" to pick and choose which rules can be applied? A rule is a rule. If you don't like the rule, don't play the game. I love how Serena b****es about it when she wasn't even looking at her feet. Total idiot and I lost a lot of respect for her today.
I've never seen a foot fault called in this type of situation EVER.
Love Game
Talk Tennis Guru
that isnt what she said, tho she did say she was gonna shove that ball ..... she uttered profanity, in fact a string of profanities that had to be bleeped by cbs on replay.
in addition, she threatened the lines judge with her racket as she approched her in a threatening manner while uttering profanities.
what does she need endorsements for anyway?
she owns part of a basketball team.
she's a rich beotch.
she can treat the "little people" any way she wants! :roll:
i suspect her real self came out.
however, she gave a great presser afterwards.
she's "over it" and is "moving on"
Love Game
Talk Tennis Guru
neither have I?
so what does that prove?
I have no doubt it has happened before.
What? Did you want Serena to get preferential treatment? Not have the line judge call the foot fault?
Kaptain Karl
Hall Of Fame
Well, now you have. I'm sorry, but the official rulebook takes precedent over your past personal experiences and expectations. If they don't want this situation to repeat itself, they should change the rulebook (loosen up the standards for foot faults or maybe, as people like you seem to want, not call foot faults late in matches at subjectively determined "critical moments"). Until then, the linespeople have every right to call foot faults and enforce the rulebook.
I would want her to get the same treatment all the otherd got who foot faulted in this type of situation: no call.
But the never have before. Hell of time to start a precedent. No one seems to be able to confirm this "clear" footfault LOL
Love Game
Talk Tennis Guru
so is that the way you'd change the rulebook to read?
only call a foot fault under the following conditions? :?:
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Exactly, it was just a very poor time for the call.
Love Game
Talk Tennis Guru
okay.
but someday you'll learn that the proclamations "never," "always," "all" and "none" are very rarely correct.
championix
Banned
I am no Serena fan, but there was no foot fault. From watching youtube vids it is clear that she was airborne at contact with the ball. No excuse for her behavior of course.
No kidding. But let's be real. Stefan EdBerg as one example foot faulted so much it became a running joke. He was called for it- a lot. BUT NEVER in a situation like this. The linesperson would not call it on him in a situaion like this. As it should be.
I can't really say I disagree with you on that, but then your objections should be the other instances when foot faults were improperly ignored, not this time when they were called correctly. Maybe a solution to prevent this from recurring would be to loosen the official rules for foot faults (i.e: half the foot must touch/cross the line or something similar) but then enforce any clear violations of this consistently and 100% of the time. But saying "it was barely a foot fault, therefore it shouldn't be called" is akin to saying "well, the ball barely missed the line, it shouldn't be called out" (assuming there was no Hawkeye available for verification).
Agreed.........
championix
Banned
Would be good to hear confirmation from Woodrow on this one.
masterxfob
Semi-Pro
haha, i'm asian and i happen to like the williams sisters, venus more than serena. i can't believe serena lost her cool like that, that was worse than what i remember of jmac. i hope serena is suspended or somehow reprimanded for this incident, and that she comes back a more humble and better person.
There is no footage of his complete loss of control at the '87 US Open.
it happened before she jumped. Her left foot (the middle section) went over the line and she bended her knee and elevated her left heels from the ground. You can see she moved her left heel forward. And that crossed the line.
Watch 0:14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdYgc8DobUY#
