Was it a mistake to let go of Goran?

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic hasn’t looked good all year. Was it a mistake to let go of Goran as coach? People haven’t given much credit to Goran for all the success Djokovic has had under his coaching including after Vajda left. Was Goran more instrumental in the success of Djokovic and is he really missing his guidance now?

Djokovic is supposedly healthy now and what else could be responsible for his losses to Tabilo and Machac. He seems to be pretty passive and gets broken more easily since Goran’s departure.
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Indeed..and not seen a certain person all year in Novak's camp who used to be always there looking stressed for the cameras.

Can you just stop being coy and say who you mean? Dunno if you're talking about his wife, Goran, or that impeccably dressed gentleman with the balding buzzcut. lol
 

messiahrobins

Hall of Fame
Can you just stop being coy and say who you mean? Dunno if you're talking about his wife, Goran, or that impeccably dressed gentleman with the balding buzzcut. lol
Well obviously it isnt Goran given this thread is about him. The impeccably dressed chap wasnt there in 2016/17 i dont think.
 

tennis3

Hall of Fame
I havent seen all his matches, but of the ones i have seen i havent seen her at all. she usually goes to Rome i think.
That is certainly everyone's guess as to what is wrong with Novak

And the fact that nothing is ever said about this makes most people think there's something wrong.
 

ChrisRF

Legend
He didnt let Boris go, that decision was made by someone else!!
Someone else? How so? For me Djokovic doesn't appear to be a person who lets someone else control his decisions or influence his views. Pepe Imaz might look like an exception, but I believe that Imaz only confirmed and strengthened some views that were already there before. Otherwise HE wouldn't have been there.
 

darthrafa

Hall of Fame
endurance is the biggest weapon to let opponent press self destroy button
when djoker gets older, it becomes who would press it first
hence, who his coach is not crux
 

TennisBro

Professional
Was it a mistake to let go of Goran as coach?
I think that Ivanisevic was a coach who put pressure on Djokovic, the stress that Novak felt was unnecessary. Now, I'd say that our world number one is missing the tensity and challenge from the coach who told him what was wrong when it was wrong. Nobody's words from his team now count as much and Novak is out of ideas when he is feeling uncomfortable. So, not holding on to someone who keeps you in check is usually erroneous.
 

messiahrobins

Hall of Fame
Someone else? How so? For me Djokovic doesn't appear to be a person who lets someone else control his decisions or influence his views. Pepe Imaz might look like an exception, but I believe that Imaz only confirmed and strengthened some views that were already there before. Otherwise HE wouldn't have been there.
Ask any ITH Novak fan (there are some here). let us just say i so not think any like Jelena Djokovic that much!
 
Yea probably personal aka woman problems is the root cause of all this. The Dowhill slide happened way too fast. (Basically just 2-3 months which is very abnormal) . Why someone would be so stupid to get married and have kids in Djokers position? Who knows. It’s completely dumb though. Hell just having kids is dumb for anyone today LOL. People need to be smarter than that
 
Ok so you mean the wife. I haven't watched enough of his matches this year so I hadn't noticed yet.

I havent seen all his matches, but of the ones i have seen i havent seen her at all. she usually goes to Rome i think.

Someone else? How so? For me Djokovic doesn't appear to be a person who lets someone else control his decisions or influence his views. Pepe Imaz might look like an exception, but I believe that Imaz only confirmed and strengthened some views that were already there before. Otherwise HE wouldn't have been there.

Novak said back in '17 that Jelena had to go on her own journey and do some learning. Whatever that meant. Maybe she was part of the think tank that removed becker and vajda back then.
 

mahatma

Hall of Fame
Yea probably personal aka woman problems is the root cause of all this. The Dowhill slide happened way too fast. (Basically just 2-3 months which is very abnormal) . Why someone would be so stupid to get married and have kids in Djokers position? Who knows. It’s completely dumb though. Hell just having kids is dumb for anyone today LOL. People need to be smarter than that

Are you a bot or you were really born in this world. lol.

If you were born, it was an act of dumbness. I concur your thoughts there. No offences meant, but that’s what it sounds like when you write such stuff
 
Are you a bot or you were really born in this world. lol.

If you were born, it was an act of dumbness. I concur your thoughts there. No offences meant, but that’s what it sounds like when you write such stuff

Women and kids are nothing but trouble and cause endless problems. especially when you got wealth LOL. Sorry but it’s true
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Novak said back in '17 that Jelena had to go on her own journey and do some learning. Whatever that meant. Maybe she was part of the think tank that removed becker and vajda back then.

That's absolutely what happened

Jelena+Marko+Pepe pushed out BB and then Vajda because they were too toxic or whatever. Plus the story I got was that BB got the axe because Jelena found out that he had known about Djoko's dalliances and just kept it moving.
 

Better_Call_Raul

Hall of Fame
Fed said that coaching comes from within (see the Vitton Fed/Rafa commercial in the snowy mountains).
Coaches are way overrated. Goran is overrated.
People will understand this when Djoker wins Roland Garros without Goran.
 
The mistake was not taking on PETE

Or perhaps it was taking on dippika :p
Novak's ex natasa beklvac even said novak enjoyed her company.

Pete sampras could have helped with the serve, but was never available to coach.

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I believe Goran left rather than being “let go”. He has talked at length about how difficult Novak has been to work with, but the success made it worthwhile. Without the titles coming in, there was no chance he was going to stick around.
 
Fed said that coaching comes from within (….)
You can’t compare Djokovic to someone like Federer. Fed is an alien and could stay on track without a dedicated coach. But even he needed great advisors in stretches when he was coachless and winning majors, and he was shaped by some of the best coaches in the world coming up.

Mentally volatile players like Djokovic are completely reliant on constant coaching and guidance or they are completely rudderless and out of control.

Kyrgios is an example of what happens when a mentally volatile player decides to go it alone longterm without a coach and the same thing is happening to Djokovic.
 

Holmes

Hall of Fame
Or perhaps it was taking on dippika :p
Novak's ex natasa beklvac even said novak enjoyed her company.

Pete sampras could have helped with the serve, but was never available to coach.

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You're right which is sad since Pete gave Novak moral support and advice on dominance when he hosted him in 2011, and he also played doubles with him a few times. He also gave him consistent public support and praised his game. Would have been cool to see them together, or for Pete to be the Dumbledore mentor Novak called on for advice from time to time.
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Someone else? How so? For me Djokovic doesn't appear to be a person who lets someone else control his decisions or influence his views. Pepe Imaz might look like an exception, but I believe that Imaz only confirmed and strengthened some views that were already there before. Otherwise HE wouldn't have been there.

Pepe was there bc of the wife. Essentially she found out all the things Djoko was doing with all the mojo of 2014/15 and threatened to walk unless he made major changes. That meant getting rid of Boom-Boom, no more partying, and buying into that lame Amor y Paz BS and publicly humiliating himself. It was all so she wouldn't leave


You're right which is sad since Pete gave Novak moral support and advice on dominance when he hosted him in 2011, and he also played doubles with him a few times. He also gave him consistent public support and praised his game. Would have been cool to see them together, or for Pete to be the Dumbledore mentor Novak called on for advice from time to time.

Pete doesn't care about anyone but himself
 

ChrisRF

Legend
Pepe was there bc of the wife. Essentially she found out all the things Djoko was doing with all the mojo of 2014/15 and threatened to walk unless he made major changes. That meant getting rid of Boom-Boom, no more partying, and buying into that lame Amor y Paz BS and publicly humiliating himself. It was all so she wouldn't leave.
The wife? I strongly doubt that she has an influence on that type of decisions, and certainly not in such a way (deliberately humiliating him and he accepts it). I also doubt she could "threaten" him to leave to be honest. Why should that be possible? Well, because he loves her people might think. But with that kind of pressure, love is likely to be gone very soon. And Djokovic isn’t the one to be dependent on her in any way either. I believe if she acts like that, she’s as easily "fired" as it always happens with his staff members.

Also what things about him did she “find out” that she didn’t know before? If it was so bad in her opinion, then they were not fitting as a couple anyway, so I don’t understand the situation.
 

thrust

Legend
Pepe was there bc of the wife. Essentially she found out all the things Djoko was doing with all the mojo of 2014/15 and threatened to walk unless he made major changes. That meant getting rid of Boom-Boom, no more partying, and buying into that lame Amor y Paz BS and publicly humiliating himself. It was all so she wouldn't leave




Pete doesn't care about anyone but himself
I thought Novak's brother was involved with Pepe before Novak was, so I think it was the brother who got Novak involved with Pepe not Jelena. Also, how do you know about Pete's feelings towards anyone?
 

thrust

Legend
Was it a mistake to leave Vajda?

Was it a mistake to leave gluten?

We know nothing.
A guy who won 24 slams and holds the most important tennis records, obviously did something right and knows much more about how to win tennis matches than anyone here, or anyone else for that matter.
 

adil1972

Hall of Fame
I think sampras fired one of his coach and then rehired him later in last stages of his career & won 2002 USO. I dont remember coach name.

Am i right

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2002: 14th major and retirement​

In 2002, Sampras suffered an early exit from Wimbledon, losing in the second round to No. 145 fast-court specialist George Bastl of Switzerland. After that loss, Sampras asked his former coach Paul Annacone to return and coach through the US Open.

 
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Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Also what things about him did she “find out” that she didn’t know before? If it was so bad in her opinion, then they were not fitting as a couple anyway, so I don’t understand the situation.

Yes, clearly.

I thought Novak's brother was involved with Pepe before Novak was, so I think it was the brother who got Novak involved with Pepe not Jelena. Also, how do you know about Pete's feelings towards anyone?

Pete refused to help USTA after he stopped playing and his exact words were "show me the money"

And yes, Marko got involved first. I believe the Pepe thing was presented to Djoko as his path to redemption after being caught red handed.
 

ChrisRF

Legend
And yes, Marko got involved first. I believe the Pepe thing was presented to Djoko as his path to redemption after being caught red handed.
Well, being caught with what exactly? You made it sound like it was about multiple "evil" things he did (at least from Jelena's point of view), and out of kind of a hybris as you hinted at. It appeared like you know something about it, and it certainly would be interesting. So what was it?
 
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