WildRevolver
Hall of Fame
Given the situation and the fact he just went down 0-15 on a misplaced drop shot, to go drop shot then lob and to execute both perfectly...that's GOAT'y.
Was this the GOAT lob shot? (Alcaraz defeats Djokovic for 2023 Wimbledon Title)
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PerilousPear
Professional
Pretty routine lob. The moment makes it more than it is.
Just like Novak's passing shot against Fed at 40-30. Not a difficult shot to hit by pro player standards.
Just like Novak's passing shot against Fed at 40-30. Not a difficult shot to hit by pro player standards.
TheNachoMan
Legend
Seen Murray do a thousand that were better tbh.
mental midget
Hall of Fame
basically. seen far more spectacular lobs, alcaraz was right there, had time to measure it...should make that 9/10 times honestly.
btw that's kind of a good idea for a thread, "highlight reel lobs." think we'd see a lot of murray, hewitt, and edberg in there.
WildRevolver
Hall of Fame
And Alcaraz.
considering the stage match was at and if he had mis-timed it he would have been 0-30 down and facing a dog fight to hold serve i would say it was an amazing shot
WildRevolver
Hall of Fame
Agree
beltsman
G.O.A.T.
Going for a dropshot lob combo in that situation, right after missing a drop shot, is massive. Just because he played it perfectly doesn't detract from it.
What a play!
I don't know why Djo gave up on that point prematurely...looked like he could have ran around it and given a good smack.
DariaGT
Professional
You obviously never seen Lendl vs Macca at RG, FH lob of Lendl on the run
was easily the best shot ever specially coming from that pin sized heavy stick.
worthy mention was Lendl short BH chip into the FH corner of Macca coming
in to volley and either having to push the ball up or miss it completely
Alcaraz racquet allows way more spin that Lendl or Novak, the pace and spin the PA98
is able to generate is something Head should try to add to Novaks racquet with a extra
but tapered firmness in the hoop more like the speed.
Novak just needs 10-15% extra spin and power to allow his modernized FH a tad more
oomph and BH extra dip with tweaking the 18x19 pattern a little.
He can easily adjust to these slight mods with ease.
was easily the best shot ever specially coming from that pin sized heavy stick.
worthy mention was Lendl short BH chip into the FH corner of Macca coming
in to volley and either having to push the ball up or miss it completely
Alcaraz racquet allows way more spin that Lendl or Novak, the pace and spin the PA98
is able to generate is something Head should try to add to Novaks racquet with a extra
but tapered firmness in the hoop more like the speed.
Novak just needs 10-15% extra spin and power to allow his modernized FH a tad more
oomph and BH extra dip with tweaking the 18x19 pattern a little.
He can easily adjust to these slight mods with ease.
Technology Ruined Tennis
Hall of Fame
Didn't Rafter do it on Championship Point?
forehand-slice
New User
It was an amazing shot under the circumstances. If Djokers 30:40 passing shot in 2019 F was a 70:30 shot, this was more 30:70. Djokers reply to the dropper was low and deep. The lob had to evade a smash and land in . It was a finesse shot, unlike Djokers above mentioned passer, which was instinctual. Having time to contemplate makes it more impressive because in that situation thinking time is usually fatal.
Rebel-I.N.S
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Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Agree. Mostly for the situation, and not particularly for the shot itself.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Or, the other side of the coin, had the second drop shot also failed, we would have said that he choked because he could not bear the pressure, and just wished the point to end at once.
We are just judging things by the outcome.
True perhaps, but really going for it in clutch moments is kind of defining for great players and what separates them from very good players. Alcaraz often goes for these kinds of shots, and doesn't seem afraid to use them on great occasions. This has cost him a few times, but has probably won him more if we add up.
There's a lot of hyperbole and use of banal dichotomy going around on this forum, and I personally wouldn't consider Alcaraz a choker based on that point. Just like I wouldn't say he can't handle more than two sets of tennis after what happened in ONE match at RG. It's also pretty ridiculous how people are butchering Djokovic after this final IMO, considering the season he's had and the level of tennis he has been showing.
100% the hyperbole on this forum when one of big 3 wins or loses is just laughable. They go from being GOAT to mug/finished and their opponent goes from a mug to a legend.
Don't get me wrong Carlos is going to be an ATG, but some of the responses on here both to his RG loss and Wimbledon win are just so over the top.
ibbi
G.O.A.T.
The thing about it is that he had chances to try and lob him a few times in the match (I'm talking offensive ones, not defensive) and for whatever reason just refused to go for it. He was trying to hit awkward passes instead. It happened at least twice that I can remember, and yet here, finally, he went for it and nailed it.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
The answer to your question is no and I can prove it very easily. There is no question the greatest lob in tennis history was Lendl's lob on match point in the 1984 semis against Pat Cash at the US Open. Consider the situation and the fact Lendl was match point down on Cash's serve. The score when Ivan hit the lob was 3-6, 6-3, 6-6, 6-7, 6-6 (MP for Cash). Nobody else has ever hit a lob like this down MP in a slam semi. Here it is:
WildRevolver
Hall of Fame
While I appreciate your wealth of knowledge, I do not agree. Here are the reasons:
1. It's a semifinal
2. The difference between 6-6 in the fifth against Pat Cash and up 5-4 (0-15) against Djokovic at Wimbledon is a push or favors Sunday's match
3. Lendl would win and have to face the single most dominant player in a given calendar year and of course lose in straight, emphatic sets.
4. Carlos, on the other hand, was merely four points away from Wimbledon and against the last active legend in the sport
5. Wimbledon > USO
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
It's a match point, even of story. Spin it anyway you want, it's ridiculous, so just admit it.
Never mind the quality of Lendl's lob was superlative and it's still routinely discussed as the greatest lob in the most pivotal moment in OE history.
Nobody remembers the lob you referenced and it's only been 2 days since the match was played. Lendl's lob is still gold standard after almost 40 years.
WildRevolver
Hall of Fame
Alright, alright. Settle down.
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
More just the odds finally worked out since he had tried several lobs earlier that lost the point.
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