TahoeTennis
Legend
Pretty much the most epic battle ever shown on the small screen.
10/10
Amazing episode all around.
10/10
Amazing episode all around.
Watch Game of Thrones tonight, trust me.
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The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
Yeah man, it was epic. Amazing way to finish off the episode.
Pretty cool. As someone who read the books from pretty early on, I loved this episode because it truly surprised me and it answered a couple of questions/theories from the books. Also, gave further insight to some other mysteries from the books.
And, it was just flat-out well done.
Here's my inner dialogue during that last scene:
-Wow. This scene is getting a little long.
-Is that the White Walkers?
-Is that an avalanche? (Briefly, it looked like that to me.)
-It is the White Walkers.
-Oh snap. This is going to finish the episode. (At this point I check the time and realize there's quite a bit remaining.)
-This is going to be good. Perhaps great.
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Nathaniel_Near
Guest
I should give this another go? I watched the first 3 eps once upon a time and just couldn't get into it. It seemed a strange paradox of trivial grandiosity, mixed in with literally comical bombast.
mr_eko
Professional
Definitely one of the best episodes of the series. My only problem now is who cares about the other plots. Cersei and Margeary in prison? Jorah in the fighting pits? Dorne? Just give me more white walker+ zombie battles in the North for the rest of the series, that was awesome.
Keep going. The shows creators are planning/hoping to wrap it up with two more seasons. The wording of what I read implied that they would go 3 more if necessary, but they are not planning to wait or drag this out. By the end of this season, all the story arcs will be caught up with the most recent book or beyond. Tyrion's is pretty much already ahead of the books. The rest are really close.
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I care. What you talkin' 'bout man?
Seriously, that was good stuff. I never pictured the wights to be that aggressive. Loved it when they walked off the cliff.
But, I'm still very interested in how everyone is eventually going to be draw into this battle for survival against an army of undead lead by the Others.
If you didn't like the first three, I kinda doubt you would like it now.
beernutz
Hall of Fame
The "the things I do for love" scene hooked me. I had not at that time read any of the books so that was not what I was unexpecting.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
Just watched the season finale....My God. Intense scene after scene after scene. And then they chuck in that final part for good measure!!!...... Very interested to see how Season 6 starts out now.
La Grande
G.O.A.T.
Respect for not spoiling it.
TahoeTennis
Legend
Talk about the feel bad story of the year
My advice, DON'T watch Game of Thrones tonight. Trust me!
but seriously........spoilers ahead:
Semi jumped the shark for me....I guess they felt they had to address ALL of the storylines and it really felt rushed, except for the "Walk of Shame" They spent an eternity on that one...then to tack on the Julius Caesar assassination of Jon Snow, I mean the Starks can't catch a break.
RANDOM THOUGHTS:
Arya going full on Ninja Assassin. Very hard core. The best scene IMO.
Brienne going medieval on Stannis, this too kind of felt rushed and Anti-climactic.
Theon and Sansa jumping into powder...hopefully.
Arrrrrr! They should have made this a 2 hour episode.
My advice, DON'T watch Game of Thrones tonight. Trust me!
but seriously........spoilers ahead:
Semi jumped the shark for me....I guess they felt they had to address ALL of the storylines and it really felt rushed, except for the "Walk of Shame" They spent an eternity on that one...then to tack on the Julius Caesar assassination of Jon Snow, I mean the Starks can't catch a break.
RANDOM THOUGHTS:
Arya going full on Ninja Assassin. Very hard core. The best scene IMO.
Brienne going medieval on Stannis, this too kind of felt rushed and Anti-climactic.
Theon and Sansa jumping into powder...hopefully.
Arrrrrr! They should have made this a 2 hour episode.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
Spoiler!!
Yeah, that Arya scene bloody brutal. The way she murdered Meryn Trant. One of the most gruesome killings in GOT yet!
Yeah, that Arya scene bloody brutal. The way she murdered Meryn Trant. One of the most gruesome killings in GOT yet!
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
I got to halfway through season 2 and wasn't really wowed. Maybe I should keep going? But I just didn't see the hype.
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Nathaniel_Near
Guest
Thing is, I didn't like Lost on first viewing for the first 3 episodes but tried again later and it became one of my favourite ever series. Seriously contemplating just taking the plunge with GoT.
Do you like to read? If so, read the books. I love the show, but the books are about 10,000 times better, especially now that they cut half the story out to do the last two books in one season.
Talk about the feel bad story of the year
My advice, DON'T watch Game of Thrones tonight. Trust me!
but seriously........spoilers ahead:
Semi jumped the shark for me....I guess they felt they had to address ALL of the storylines and it really felt rushed, except for the "Walk of Shame" They spent an eternity on that one...then to tack on the Julius Caesar assassination of Jon Snow, I mean the Starks can't catch a break.
RANDOM THOUGHTS:
Arya going full on Ninja Assassin. Very hard core. The best scene IMO.
Brienne going medieval on Stannis, this too kind of felt rushed and Anti-climactic.
Theon and Sansa jumping into powder...hopefully.
Arrrrrr! They should have made this a 2 hour episode.
I thought the entire Stannis story arc seemed rushed this season...and anticlimactic. Probably my only real complaint with the season. I wish they hadn't cut so much out of the last two books, but I get why they did and I can live with it.
The closing scene, IMO, is one of those times where the show pulled off a more dramatic scene than the book. In contrast, I thought Dany flying away on Drogon was far more dramatic in the book. Funny how some scenes translate better than others. With regards to the ending, IMO, the show looked pretty clear. The books left some room for doubt.
Apparently that's where the story ends for that character in the books (the ones that have been released so far anyway). Loads of theories about what might happen though, i've heard at least 8 of them, all of them sound amazing
It's true. Everybody's got a theory. My two cents is that the Starks aren't/weren't known as The Kings of Winter nor is their family motto "Winter Is Coming" because it sounds cool. There's a significant reason for those words and that title...I expect we will find out soon. Can't wait for Book Six (or Season 6), whichever comes first.
I pray he can get the book out first so I'll only have to endure one season of spoilers. I'm not waiting five years to watch the final season.
Feña14
G.O.A.T.
It's true. Everybody's got a theory. My two cents is that the Starks aren't/weren't known as The Kings of Winter nor is their family motto "Winter Is Coming" because it sounds cool. There's a significant reason for those words and that title...I expect we will find out soon. Can't wait for Book Six (or Season 6), whichever comes first.
I pray he can get the book out first so I'll only have to endure one season of spoilers. I'm not waiting five years to watch the final season.
And what's your theory on it at the moment? Sounds like you're not one of those who believe Jon is a Targaryen
I've always wanted to read the books but i've heard they get pretty confusing, things happen out of order, long delays in releasing them because Martin tied himself up in knots going round in circles with Dany's story line in Meereen. Also there must be hundreds of characters to remember, it's hard to keep up actually seeing them on screen at times, must be a nightmare with the books!
La Grande
G.O.A.T.
I recommend it to both of you. Enthralling tv show, riding at the top for sure.
La Grande
G.O.A.T.
Yeah.. the Stannis thing seemed rushed though. That being said, I haven't read the books, so it may play out like that.
Bad_Knee
Professional
Just watched the finale...As someone who hasn't read the books, I honestly can't predict a thing, but am very intrigued.
All character arcs appear to have been left in a cliffhanger scenario...
One thing I am 100% sure on is Cersei is gonna RAGE and kill a lot of people with whatever that genetic monster is she created....Gotta say I think that scene with her being shamed seemed unnecessarily long and graphic (all for seeing her nude though), but I guess they were trying to make a point that she had reached rock bottom.
All character arcs appear to have been left in a cliffhanger scenario...
One thing I am 100% sure on is Cersei is gonna RAGE and kill a lot of people with whatever that genetic monster is she created....Gotta say I think that scene with her being shamed seemed unnecessarily long and graphic (all for seeing her nude though), but I guess they were trying to make a point that she had reached rock bottom.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
Spoliers!!
I'm not to sure if Stannis is dead or alive right now. It seemed like Brienne killed him, but it skipped to Ramsay Bolton right at the last second. Maybe this is just wishful thinking though....
Looking back at it, a lot of people died or supposedly died, in this episode. More than usual! Selyse (Wife of Stannis), Stannis, Myrcella, Myranda, Meryn Trant, and Jon Snow...
At least the Spider is back!
I'm not to sure if Stannis is dead or alive right now. It seemed like Brienne killed him, but it skipped to Ramsay Bolton right at the last second. Maybe this is just wishful thinking though....
Looking back at it, a lot of people died or supposedly died, in this episode. More than usual! Selyse (Wife of Stannis), Stannis, Myrcella, Myranda, Meryn Trant, and Jon Snow...
At least the Spider is back!
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Bobby Jr
G.O.A.T.
This ^. When I started watching this season I thought I'd missed a pile of episodes somehow... They have truncated so much story and blended storylines. The show is cool but I think you appreciate it better when you've read the books - and almost sense the producers intended people to have the background on may sub-plots from having read the books.
Imo, Rickon Stark is the guy we need to see again.
And what's your theory on it at the moment? Sounds like you're not one of those who believe Jon is a Targaryen
I've always wanted to read the books but i've heard they get pretty confusing, things happen out of order, long delays in releasing them because Martin tied himself up in knots going round in circles with Dany's story line in Meereen. Also there must be hundreds of characters to remember, it's hard to keep up actually seeing them on screen at times, must be a nightmare with the books!
Actually, I'm convinced Jon Snow is a Targaryen. To be completely clear, he is the son of the Crown Prince Rhaegar Targaryen (Daenerys' half-brother) and Lyanna Stark (Ned's sister).
A little Westerosi history for those interested - Lyanna Stark was betrothed to Robert Baratheon (she was his true love), but Rhaegar "kidnapped" her, carried her away and ***** her. A pivotal event that lead to Robert's rebellion and the ultimate demise of the Targaryen dynasty. Also, Brandon Stark (Ned's older brother and heir to Winterfell) was originally the one who was supposed to wed Catelyn before the Mad King Aerys burned Brandon and Rickard (the father) alive. That is how Ned came to be the man at Winterfell and how he ended up marrying Catelyn Tully (of Riverrun).
Anyway, after the Starks were roasted and Lyanna stolen, Aerys demanded Ned and Robert present themselves before him (the King). Ned and Robert were wards of Jon Arryn (Lord of the Eyrie and future Hand of the King under Robert) and Jon Arryn refused to turn them over, instead calling his banners and going to war because they knew Robert and Ned would be killed as well. Thus began Robert's rebellion. On one side was the North, Riverrun, the Eyrie, and the Baratheon bannermen of Storm's End vs the Targaryens, Dorne, and the Tyrells (I believe). The Lannisters remained uncommitted until it was clear who would win.
Eventually, Robert slew Rhaegar in battle. When Tywin brought his armies to Kings Landing, Aerys opened the gates thinking he came to help. When he realized that wasn't the case, he ordered Jaime to kill his father and made plans to burn the city with Wildfire. Jaime instead killed Aerys to save the city, thus earning the name Kingslayer. Tywin ordered The Mountain, Ser Gregor Clegane, to murder the children of Elia of Dorne to end the Targaryen line hence the enmity between Dorne and the Lannisters.
In the meantime, Ned "rescued" Lyanna in a place in the south called the Tower of Joy. He, and 7 others, killed 3 of Aerys' Kingsguard. He found Lyanna dying in bed and in flashbacks would remember her saying, "Promise me, Ned..."
Thus ended Robert's rebellion. He became king because they deemed he had the better claim due to some Targaryen ancestry in the Baratheon family tree. Jon Arryn was named his Hand and a marriage was made with Cersei to solidify his hold on the Iron Throne. But, back to his true love, Lyanna Stark...
What if she didn't love him? What if Rhaegar didn't kidnap her? What if two young people made an irrational choice based on love and passion in a world of arranged marriages for political convenience? In one flashback of a great tourney in Harrenhal, it is recalled that Rhaegar set off a great controversy when he won the jousting competition and named Lyanna Stark the Queen of Love and Beauty, instead of his own wife. In addition, why did Ned encounter three members of Aerys' Kingsguard at the Tower of Joy when the king was in King's Landing and Rhaegar was battling Robert in the Riverlands. 1/3 of the Kingsguard would not be guarding a woman Rhaegar simply kidnapped. And, what was the promise Ned made his sister as she lay dying?
All we know afterwards is that Ned brought Lyanna home to be buried in the crypts below Winterfell where the Lords of Winterfell are buried. (She is the only woman buried there.) He married Catelyn in place of his brother, and brought home a ******* son. He would never disclose who the mother of his ******* was, not even telling his wife. And, every account by every other character speaking of Ned would only comment that fathering a ******* was very "out-of-character" for Ned.
So, yes, I am convinced that Jon is not Ned's son at all, but is a Targaryen and Stark nonetheless. A Song of Ice and Fire encompassed in a singular character.
Also, the book is infinitely easier to keep up with and follow. Honestly, I don't see how people who only watch the show do it. I couldn't follow the show if I hadn't read the books. Additionally, you get so much more depth of character and story that there's no comparison.
I thoroughly enjoy both and there are some things that the show does better, but overall, the books are just so great.
But, trust me, if you can follow what's going on with the show, the books won't trouble you in the least.
I thoroughly enjoy both and there are some things that the show does better, but overall, the books are just so great.
But, trust me, if you can follow what's going on with the show, the books won't trouble you in the least.
The shame thing was definitely one that sticks with you. I agree with others that the scene lasted a while, but I do think it was a case of using the length of the scene to convey the sense of humiliation she was forced to endure.
Much of the show has surpassed the books, but I'm pretty sure Stannis is really dead. I suppose you can't say with certainty since it did cut to Ramsay, but if you watched the post-show episode wrap, they suggest that Brienne did, in fact, kill him.
Poor Myrcella. I knew when Ellaria kissed her on the lips that she was a goner.
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Feña14
G.O.A.T.
Fantastic background in the long post, very interesting. The books do sound tempting, especially having watched the show i'm now able to put a face to the name of the characters. Simply seeing names on paper doesn't really register with me
The new book coming out sometime in the next year or two is the 6th, right? Does that mean the 7th won't be out for another 6/7 years after that? Having to wait till 2022 must be torture
Bobby Jr
G.O.A.T.
More to the point, he just happens to be with Melisandre who can summon R'hllor to bring him back to life as was done multiple times for Beric Dondarrion earlier in the story.
Bobby Jr
G.O.A.T.
Out of interest, have you read the three teaser chapters from The Winds of Winter (Arianne, Theon and Alayne/Sansa)?
I have. And, in addition, I found a clip on YouTube where Martin read a Victarion chapter...or part of one anyway. And, I've read a few summaries from people who attended events where Martin read a sample chapter. I know one was Tyrion. There's little in the samples he releases as far as any clue to major plot twists, but I still enjoy. Also, there's a Barristan chapter in the back of ADWD.
True, but I have my doubts about her bringing Stannis back. She is at the Wall in both book and show now, while Stannis is at Winterfell. Seems unlikely, but I surely won't rule out the possibility.
Fantastic background in the long post, very interesting. The books do sound tempting, especially having watched the show i'm now able to put a face to the name of the characters. Simply seeing names on paper doesn't really register with me
The new book coming out sometime in the next year or two is the 6th, right? Does that mean the 7th won't be out for another 6/7 years after that? Having to wait till 2022 must be torture
It is torture. I read them all shortly after the third one was released. So, I've waited 5 years on each subsequent book. I heard that Martin said the 6th book would be released prior to the 6th season, so that's good. If it happens. But, it would take a miracle to beat the final season with the 7th book...if he can finish in 7 books.
Good thing come to those who wait, I guess. It's without question my favorite book series ever.
And thanks. Some events may be a little out of order, but that's a fairly accurate background I believe. There are some interesting theories. One, in particular, concerns a silver harp Rhaegar was known to love playing. Many believe this harp is entombed with Lyanna in Winterfell's crypts as a sort of proof of Jon's lineage. Additionally, a to-date unseen character, Howland Reed, is the only still living member of Ned's party from the Tower of Joy, and may be the only person alive who knows the truth about Jon Snow.
Lots of interesting stuff like that in the book that just simply cannot be squeezed into the show. Much intrigue, especially in the 4th and 5th books. That's why they condensed them to one season, IMO. The pace slows in terms of action, but builds in terms of plotting and intrigue. However, I'm not convinced that would play well on screen, particularly with an audience accustomed to action. And, they broadened the scope by introducing multiple new locations (Dorne, Iron Islands, Oldtown) and characters (3 of Theon's uncles, 2-3 Dornish POVs, and another I won't mention here just in case). Perhaps that would have been too much for a show that is already a challenge to stay on top of. So, I get it. But, the story does lose something as a result.
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Bobby Jr
G.O.A.T.
So apply those powers to Jon... Reckon he'd convert from the old Gods to R'Hllor to be alive?
Bobby Jr
G.O.A.T.
I tend to agree. I'd never read fantasy prior so don't have a lot to compare it to but it is a truly fantastic series of books.
Yep, this is a prime reason reading the books will make the TV series more enjoyable imo. The dream sequences of Brand etc haven't been well included in the TV for the most part - nor when wargs do their thing. Remember in the books all the times Brand could taste blood and smell fear when he was in summer. Also - Jojen's greensight and the old guy fused into the weirdwood tree north of the wall who shows Bran a vision of Ned Stark praying from the point of view of Winterfell's heart tree.
So apply those powers to Jon... Reckon he'd convert from the old Gods to R'Hllor to be alive?
I find this possibility more likely, but I'm not convinced this is the way it will go.
I'm not sure what to make of R'hllor and the red priests and priestesses. The story has kinda portrayed R'hllor as the "good" and the other God as "bad", yet R'hllor's followers do some fairly questionable things and we know virtually nothing about the other. Additionally, the story has avoided traditional "good" and "bad" guy roles, instead showing characters with depth, delving into their beliefs and motivations. Lots of shades of grey instead of black and white, so I'm not expecting the end game to be a good god and an evil one.
That said, I think there is some deeper, more significant connection with the Starks and the Others. We still don't know what it is, but I feel like we will get the true story of the Starks, the Night's Watch, the Others, the "old gods" they serve, etc.
Anyway, I think it's just as possible that Jon Snow could be revived by the other instead of R'hllor. There are just too many questions, too many unknowns to make a confident guess at it aside from the fact that I'm confident he will be back at some point.
No doubt. The show has basically eliminated all the prophecy, dreams, visions, etc., except for Dany in the House of the Undying. That's a lot of good stuff you miss if you only watch the show.
I like fantasy novels, but I'm selective about it. I don't just read any and all fantasy because it's fantasy. I read LotR trilogy. Pretty good. A couple I've read recently that I enjoyed was The Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss. It's no GoT, but it's pretty good. Still need to read the last two.
But, my favorite was The Lies of Locke Lamora. It's the first book in a trilogy called The Gentlemen Ba$****$. Locke is the leader of a group of con men in a fantasy world. Pretty unique setup for a fantasy novel. I also need to get the last two of those and finish it.
Father Chains
Rookie
I love The Lies of Locke Lamora and the rest of the series.
I found GoT a bit long winded and boring after a while, it could have been so much better if it had a decent editor to look at it.
I would have never guessed, Father Chains.
I intend to order the last two and finish the series soon. As much as I credit Martin for creating a sense of "reality" in a fantasy world, I love the unique angle of a con-man, anti-hero in Locke Lamora. I would, of course, respectfully disagree with your assessment of Ice and Fire. I love the level of detail and description featured in Martin's work. I can certainly respect that it may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I love it. The depth of his world and characters is unmatched by any fantasy I have encountered.
I concur. I think the Stannis-mal is dead and gone for good. Melisandre abandoning him and returning to the Wall seems to strongly suggest he's not going to be "resurrected".
Jon Snow, on the other hand, would shock me if he doesn't return at some point. I accept I could be wrong, but am pretty confident I'm not. If he is in fact dead and gone for good, I would have to seriously question Martin's writing, right? Why on earth waste the time and create all that intrigue around his "real mother/parents" to just have him unceremoniously killed off? Nobody will care about that if he's dead. And, he's been portrayed as a central character to the entire story even if you ignore the mystery of his lineage.
I'm not even suggesting that he can't die in the series, but it would have to be more significant than getting gutted by some disgruntled NW brothers. Otherwise, a lot of what Martin has written in the first five novels was completely unnecessary and downright pointless.
I've got more faith in GRRM than that. Jon will return and play a significant role in the ultimate resolution of the story, IMO. I can't predict how he will return or what he will be, but he will be back. I'm pretty sure of that at least.
DRII
G.O.A.T.
Talk about the feel bad story of the year
My advice, DON'T watch Game of Thrones tonight. Trust me!
but seriously........spoilers ahead:
Semi jumped the shark for me....I guess they felt they had to address ALL of the storylines and it really felt rushed, except for the "Walk of Shame" They spent an eternity on that one...then to tack on the Julius Caesar assassination of Jon Snow, I mean the Starks can't catch a break.
RANDOM THOUGHTS:
Arya going full on Ninja Assassin. Very hard core. The best scene IMO.
Brienne going medieval on Stannis, this too kind of felt rushed and Anti-climactic.
Theon and Sansa jumping into powder...hopefully.
Arrrrrr! They should have made this a 2 hour episode.
good thoughts.
definitely agree about Arya and her pure revenge kill. could have been taken straight out of Kill Bill, which is definitely a compliment in my book!
also agree about Brienne killing Stannis, quite anti-climatic.
also, where the he11 was John Snow's wolf when he was being betrayed and murdered by the night's guard
:twisted:Theon and Sansa have to survive, otherwise the Starks storyline basically ends in almost nothing!
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