veroniquem
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And consensual sex includes the risk of pregnancy in any case. If that terrifies you, there are inflatable dolls that are guaranteed not to procreate
Wawrinka separates from his wife!
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if a man doesnt consent to procreation then he should deposit any sperm that sounds like consent to me......
Bartelby
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
I think I'll follow the lead of a former President of the United States.
And consensual sex includes the risk of pregnancy in any case. If that terrifies you, there are inflatable dolls that are guaranteed not to procreate
Bartelby
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Spin Doctor
Professional
Your misogyny is staggering. You're determined to blame this woman for everything. So now the entire relationship is a woman's "fault"? As though women hold a gun to a man's head? Stan CHOSE to date her, CHOSE to have consensual sex with her, and CHOSE to marry her. Both people are responsible for the relationship, any children borne from it, and its ultimate demise. Saying that a woman always controls a relationship is garbage.
I will say again: NOBODY HERE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THIS SITUATION. Anyone who thinks they do is just talking out of their ass. Even his wife doesn't seem to understand what happened, so what makes you think you do?
ATXtennisaddict
Hall of Fame
When did this happen? Man, Stan is playing tonight at Chennai, guess I might stay and watch his match, even if it's last and will keep me there until at last midnight.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
And consensual sex includes the risk of pregnancy in any case. If that terrifies you, there are inflatable dolls that are guaranteed not to procreate
Ha, ha, ha, ha! For some reason I just logged on and went on this thread and saw this comment first. THIS is the best comment EVER! High Five for this one girl! :lol:
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Gee, I never would have guessed that Mel Gibson would be an idol of yours.(sarcasm in case you are not sure.)
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
We must come from different educational systems because I don't agree with this comment. A woman would do the right thing? I am sorry but there are usually two people in a relationship. Why are you putting the fault solely on the woman? Stan marrried her as well correct? Was there a gun to his head at the time?
The only smart thing that happened in this relationship between Stan and his wife is that they did break up. Sounds like a real winning relationship for both of them. NOT! Also how do you know that the relationships between other tennis players and their significant others are fine? Just because they have not broken up? People stay in relationships and marriages for years and years and are miserable! That fact that they have not broken up means nothing!
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cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
I totally agree.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
nadalbestclass
Hall of Fame
nadalbestclass
Hall of Fame
Condoms still are the best form of contraception. Yes, a woman usually worries more about pregnancy but in this particular case Stan had more to lose, so he should have been careful. Not to mention no one really knows that they were not wearing a condom. Mistakes happen, those things fail and it could be the same with them. Plus even if teh child was not under his control getting married was and if he was dumb to do it, then it's completely his fault.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
There are two people in a relationship but when it comes to procreation there is an aysmmetrical power relationship that favours women which is too obvious to be ignored. (Although if you're Elton John you can buy your way out of this asymmetry).
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
A woman worries about getting pregnant and not getting pregnant and a lack of prudence never excuses deception.
nadalbestclass
Hall of Fame
Did i miss something? Where does it say she tricked him?? If she did then it's messed up on her part.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
I don't think I'm commenting directly on this case, but it's one possibility that's been raised and as we cannot know the truth of this matter it's best not to worry about the truth or otherwise of the facts in this case.
@Bartelby - I do not necessarily agree with all your points but I do like the way you argue.
There's also another aspect to this issue (the issue being just a greater case rather than just Wawrinka's). While some argue that by having sex a man 'agrees' to deal with potential issues the opposite is not really true. As in a man cannot really argue that by having sex a woman agreed as well - she can have abortion without even asking a man. I'm not passing judgment on any moral side here - just from a legal perspective if a woman doesn't want to have a child there's nothing a man can do.
There's also another aspect to this issue (the issue being just a greater case rather than just Wawrinka's). While some argue that by having sex a man 'agrees' to deal with potential issues the opposite is not really true. As in a man cannot really argue that by having sex a woman agreed as well - she can have abortion without even asking a man. I'm not passing judgment on any moral side here - just from a legal perspective if a woman doesn't want to have a child there's nothing a man can do.
Pidgeon
Semi-Pro
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
LOL, but Feddy is growing old, too.
Underhand
Legend
He's got enough money to get some blue pills, no?
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Where were you, underhand ??? MIA ??
Underhand
Legend
No tennis, no Underhand. (Yea, exos are clowning, not tennis).
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
... and what is truth?, sayeth the jesting Pilate. Pontius Pilate reveals the entire old and new testament for what it is - a totalitarian fantasy.
quoted for truth
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Underhand
Legend
It's remarkable. Can't imagine where did the idea come from.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Đoković no doubt.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
You bring up a valid point that a man can be asked to support a child no matter what the circumstances but he can't prevent a woman from having an abortion.
However, when a man is able to physically carry a child to term, THEN he can have a say as to whether abortion is an option or not. As long as it is the woman who carries a child for 9 months in HER body which is her domain, it is the woman and only the woman who can decide whether to have an abortion or not. Should a woman be able to ultimately decide whether a man has a vasectomy? I think not.
I think you know the answer, but pretending you don't.
If you read my previous post I gave 70% of the blame on her and 30% on Stan. Mainly b/c she a women and is 11 yrs older. Fair enough ??
Yes, it's best for them to separate b/c there's no reason to stick around if they are unhappy. Other partners stick together despite not having a perfect marriage(and who does?) b/c the benefit of being together exceeds from separation. That's the different between those couples and these two(stan & his girlfriend). You think Hewitt, Fed are as miserable as Stan? Get real. If you ever been in a TRUE relationship then you will understand. Understand?
Who are you to give blame on people? It is none of your business and you do not even know these people. Why do you assume that Fed and Lleyton are happy just because they are not separated ? I stayed with my husband for 30 years for the children and I was not happy. But all my children are happy and in very long relationships. We should not pass judgment on people anyway.
single_handed_champion
Professional
Wow, some amazing discussions being had in this thread! Sex, abortion, divorce, deceit, the works.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
I understand all right, but I do not agree. Who cares if his wife is 11 years older than him? He is over the age of consent correct? Age is irrelevant. If he is old enough to decide to get married, he is old enough to deal with the consequences. The fact that he is younger is not an excuse. I don't agree that 70% of the blame should be on the wife. We don't know anything about this whole relationship and what occurred therefore we can't say who is right and who is not right. That is just silly.
Re Hewitt and Federer and their relationships, how does anybody know if they are as miserable as Stan was in his relationship? Nobody is privy to that info except the couples involved. I don't care what they tell the outside world about their relationships. Nobody knows the truth.
You have your opinions on the subject and that is ok. We will never agree and that is fine. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
When things don't work out right, someone has to take blame or responsibility for their action. Who do you want to blame? God? I've already stated my reason why she more responsible than him. If you want to put most of the weight on him, I don't care !
I see Fed's girlfriend always with him where ever he traveled. She seem to be very close with the parents. And Hewitt's girlfriend smile toward the camera. In fact, Hewitt skipped the 2005 MC just to be with his wife(with a new born baby). So it's safe to say they are happy. But when someone is separated, it's safe to say they are not happy, simple as that.
I don't care what you think. She's a lot older and wiser. A 24 yrs old kid still has a lot to learn in life. Unless you think otherwise then you are clueless.
Stay on topic...we are not talking about who's cheating, but who's more responsible. Capiche ??
No. That’s only ONE reason. Other reasons can be one partner has a drinking problem, drug, gambling addiction, or get in trouble with the law, etc.
You need to understand that this separation hurt Stan WAY more than her . Suppose if Stan is 35 and his tennis career is long over, and his 24 yrs old girlfriend had a bright future as being a supermodel, then that’s a different story. I would feel pain for her MORE than for Stan. And I’m sure you and many other female posters in here would want to put Stan in prison !
First the addiction issues are completely different and depends on if they were addicted before the relationship or not...
age has nothing to do with this they are both adults...when you get in to a relationship you know that there is a possibility that it will not end well that is regardless of age
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
He is 24 years old, not 15! If he is old enough to get married in the first place, he is old enough to be responsible for his part in the marriage. If he was unsure, he should not have married her. Since he did marry her for WHATEVER reason(s), he is then responsible for half of the relationship. It really is unfair for you to assign 70% of the blame to his wife for the demise of their relationship since you have no clue what actually did happen and are only speculating.
Also, why are you calling somebody else clueless for their own opinion? Your opinion may be out in left field to many posters on this thread. Your word is not the gospel and frankly I do not agree with it at all myself. I can't speak for other people on this thread. Everybody has their own opinion. Respect that.
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Eternally_damned
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What is sex?
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Something meant for propagation of the species but misused for pleasure.
A largely unnecessary and hugely overrated function or activity which seems to promise happiness, but has never given any, judging by the state of humanity.
veroniquem
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