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Don't respond to her. She wants to turn this Nadal thread into Federer thread. It happens all the time.
Wawrinka : Uncle Toni coaches too much
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Don't respond to her. She wants to turn this Nadal thread into Federer thread. It happens all the time.
fednad
Hall of Fame
So, the summary of this thread from ******* massagers is:
1. Stan is a sore loser. He needs to "grow a pair" and he was frustrated.
2. Coaching is not a problem. Who cares! It is fine.
3. Fed also gets coaching. He also got coaching during bathroom break. Looks to me the poster who wrote this was present in the man's room when this happened
4. Again, Stan is a sore loser.
5. Again, Fed got coaching as well.
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1. Stan is a sore loser. He needs to "grow a pair" and he was frustrated.
2. Coaching is not a problem. Who cares! It is fine.
3. Fed also gets coaching. He also got coaching during bathroom break. Looks to me the poster who wrote this was present in the man's room when this happened
4. Again, Stan is a sore loser.
5. Again, Fed got coaching as well.
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TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
sdfedfans
Rookie
He took his phone into the bathroom with him and managed to have a phone conversation in that time?
The time between sets is hardly anything and there is someone who goes with you so I find it hard to believe that he did that. Are you sure this wasn't during a rain delay? It would make more sense as he would have enough time, have all his belongings and would be allowed to talk to people.
Anyway getting back to the thread. Nadal does break the rule but it is ultimately the umpires faults for not enforcing it before.
Nadal and Toni (and many other players) have probably gotten so used to umpires not being strict about this rule that it doesn't seem to be unfair in their eyes.
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fednad
Hall of Fame
Yep, and the umpire is deaf.
And the massagers are both blind and deaf with their crush on *******.
Please wash the oil stains from your hand and sprinkle some water on those eyes. Stan is not the first guy who has raised this. And he is a world top 10 player for all the "respect" that you girls are extending to him.
It went beyond "normal" levels of tolerance - which means that it is done regularly. ******* and Toni were desperate to win this match due to Year end World number 1 ranking. And that showed up the way it did.
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
Nadal should grow a pair dude. Why does he need his uncle all the time?
fednad
Hall of Fame
Can you please put me back on your ignore list......please!
If he puts you on ignore list, how would he confirm to you that he has done so?
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
Annacone and Federer are no longer working together. Nice try.
As for Mirka shouting that, is this some sort of an urban legend? I've only seen it on this forum.
fednad
Hall of Fame
Omega_7000
Legend
Wow! Get outta here!!
So the players that have a slam are allowed to break the rules? Then Federer should be allowed to use his phone during changeovers to talk strategy with his team?
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
Cahill was never Federer's coach. Try harder.
fednad
Hall of Fame
And this "The Truth" fellow was in that man's room to notice all that.
What a troll this guy is
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
You get only two minutes between two sets. That's it. And Federer doesn't take his bag or anything to the bathroom on breaks if and when he takes them. Plus, Cahill was never his coach or even a friend. Why would he talk to him. Talk about being utterly desperate.
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monfed
Guest
IDK why Fed fans are complaining, if Ralph needs help then why not? Talent isn't exactly oozing out of every pore in his body so he needs the help.
namelessone
Legend
Probably talks to Rafa through his watch
I can't believe the level of hypocrisy that goes on in here when it comes to coaching. Has your favorite player ever looked to his box(to confirm a ball mark or anything else)? Guess what, according to the rulebook that was coaching. And I already know what some of you will say - but there is a difference between hand signals and discreetly nodding to your player yes or no for a ball mark. That may well be but in the eyes of the rulemakers, that would still be COACHING.
What kind of a rule is this that you can break it a little but not too much? Why do you think it's barely enforced on tour? Because it's a joke.
The reason why the Nadal camp(who do coach) is fined for coaching once in a blue moon is because they are more upfront with it. If the ATP were serious about this rule, there wouldn't pass a Nadal match without a fine of some sort for coaching. And this isn't because Nadal is famous. In all likelyhood his camp was coaching from at least 2005 if not before and umps still ignored it.
Why? Because these guys know that what is on paper and the reality of the tour is far different, not that anybody wants to admit that. They would rather hush up about it so they communicate(discreetly for most coaches) in peace while the matches are going on.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
It is a shame that tennis world no 1 resorts to such cheap and disgusting behavior. It is passable if a guy like Ferrer or Berdych does it.
He is bringing disrepute.
Omega_7000
Legend
Probably talks to Rafa through his watch
I can't believe the level of hypocrisy that goes on in here when it comes to coaching. Has your favorite player ever looked to his box(to confirm a ball mark or anything else)? Guess what, according to the rulebook that was coaching. And I already know what some of you will say - but there is a difference between hand signals and discreetly nodding to your player yes or no for a ball mark. That may well be but in the eyes of the rulemakers, that would still be COACHING.
What kind of a rule is this that you can break it a little but not too much? Why do you think it's barely enforced on tour? Because it's a joke.
The reason why the Nadal camp(who do coach) is fined for coaching once in a blue moon is because they are more upfront with it. If the ATP were serious about this rule, there wouldn't pass a Nadal match without a fine of some sort for coaching. And this isn't because Nadal is famous. In all likelyhood his camp was coaching from at least 2005 if not before and umps still ignored it.
Why? Because these guys know that what is on paper and the reality of the tour is far different, not that anybody wants to admit that. They would rather hush up about it so they communicate(discreetly for most coaches) in peace while the matches are going on.
Then why not give the players a bluetooth headset to use during play?
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monfed
Guest
namelessone
Legend
So other members of the top 10 can break rules but not the nr.1?
LAWL.
What if they got to nr.1 by abusing this rule, how would you feel about their rule breaking then?
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monfed
Guest
Probably talks to Rafa through his watch
I can't believe the level of hypocrisy that goes on in here when it comes to coaching. Has your favorite player ever looked to his box(to confirm a ball mark or anything else)? Guess what, according to the rulebook that was coaching. And I already know what some of you will say - but there is a difference between hand signals and discreetly nodding to your player yes or no for a ball mark. That may well be but in the eyes of the rulemakers, that would still be COACHING.
What kind of a rule is this that you can break it a little but not too much? Why do you think it's barely enforced on tour? Because it's a joke.
The reason why the Nadal camp(who do coach) is fined for coaching once in a blue moon is because they are more upfront with it. If the ATP were serious about this rule, there wouldn't pass a Nadal match without a fine of some sort for coaching. And this isn't because Nadal is famous. In all likelyhood his camp was coaching from at least 2005 if not before and umps still ignored it.
Why? Because these guys know that what is on paper and the reality of the tour is far different, not that anybody wants to admit that. They would rather hush up about it so they communicate(discreetly for most coaches) in peace while the matches are going on.
If the rule is so crystal clear then why does Ralph need Toni's help? Is he so pathetic that he can't use his own brain to win a difficult match?
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Probably talks to Rafa through his watch
I can't believe the level of hypocrisy that goes on in here when it comes to coaching. Has your favorite player ever looked to his box(to confirm a ball mark or anything else)? Guess what, according to the rulebook that was coaching. And I already know what some of you will say - but there is a difference between hand signals and discreetly nodding to your player yes or no for a ball mark. That may well be but in the eyes of the rulemakers, that would still be COACHING.
What kind of a rule is this that you can break it a little but not too much? Why do you think it's barely enforced on tour? Because it's a joke.
The reason why the Nadal camp(who do coach) is fined for coaching once in a blue moon is because they are more upfront with it. If the ATP were serious about this rule, there wouldn't pass a Nadal match without a fine of some sort for coaching. And this isn't because Nadal is famous. In all likelyhood his camp was coaching from at least 2005 if not before and umps still ignored it.
Why? Because these guys know that what is on paper and the reality of the tour is far different, not that anybody wants to admit that. They would rather hush up about it so they communicate(discreetly for most coaches) in peace while the matches are going on.
If such is the case, why are players singling out Rafa for coaching all the time ?
Is this because Rafa is very vulnerable ?
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
That's just what the commentator said. He specified that they weren't supposed to talk to their coaches. I can't remember if it was a rain delay or a bathroom break though.
There are many contradictions though, between ESPN and TTC commentating. Another one was that trajectory of the ball video. Both used the exact same video, but described it differently.
It's very interesting watching both broadcasts, because you get two totally different perspectives.
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monfed
Guest
So other members of the top 10 can break rules but not the nr.1?
LAWL.
What if they got to nr.1 by abusing this rule, how would you feel about their rule breaking then?
Clearly you don't mind it since your hero has made a habit of it.
The Dark Knight
Legend
It's the umps job to decide how much is allowed or not .
It's not Toni's job or Nadals job to figure it out.
namelessone
Legend
Because he is a easy target since his own coach publicly admits to it.
The other coaches do it more discretly and don't brag about it.
If someone says that Wawrinka gets coaching(and boy did he get coaching in the last USO's that I saw), there would probably be some sort of scandal.
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monfed
Guest
Blah blah blah others do it so Ralph doing it is fine blah blah blah. Do Nadal fans ever admit to their scumbag idol's cheating,like ever? Cheaters never prosper and this is why Nadal will never be considered GOAT cause he's a pathetic cheat.
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
Interesting.
That must be why he condoned "cheating," but not too much.
The irony.
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
Clearly, other players don't get called out precisely because the top players like Nadal aren't. The other players will never stand being made scapegoats out of openly, when it is blatant that the more powerful guys like Nadal get away with it. So it's pretty much a vicious circle of rule-breaking.
The Dark Knight
Legend
Well put. Seriously .
TMF
Talk Tennis Guru
Probably talks to Rafa through his watch
I can't believe the level of hypocrisy that goes on in here when it comes to coaching. Has your favorite player ever looked to his box(to confirm a ball mark or anything else)? Guess what, according to the rulebook that was coaching. And I already know what some of you will say - but there is a difference between hand signals and discreetly nodding to your player yes or no for a ball mark. That may well be but in the eyes of the rulemakers, that would still be COACHING.
What kind of a rule is this that you can break it a little but not too much? Why do you think it's barely enforced on tour? Because it's a joke.
The reason why the Nadal camp(who do coach) is fined for coaching once in a blue moon is because they are more upfront with it. If the ATP were serious about this rule, there wouldn't pass a Nadal match without a fine of some sort for coaching. And this isn't because Nadal is famous. In all likelyhood his camp was coaching from at least 2005 if not before and umps still ignored it.
Why? Because these guys know that what is on paper and the reality of the tour is far different, not that anybody wants to admit that. They would rather hush up about it so they communicate(discreetly for most coaches) in peace while the matches are going on.
If you think what's Nadal is doing is the norm then you are wrong. Why is Wawrinka called out Nadal? And don't tell me it was because he's mad after a loss. Wawrinka have many tough losses in the past and he never called anyone out for cheating. Nadal's case was too obvious and extreme that Stan was being honest. And Nadal has the history of on court coaching, it could be anyone besides Wawrinka speak up and none of it is an Earth shattering news.
namelessone
Legend
But come on man, we all know that Nadal is responsible for 90% of the coaching that goes on on the ATP tour.
The Dark Knight
Legend
TMF
Talk Tennis Guru
namelessone
Legend
Doesn't Nadal have millions in the bank, 13 slams and the many many fans? Most people would call that prospering.
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monfed
Guest
Come to think of it,Nadal is actually a criminal cause he wins matches illegally, throw the scumbag moonballer behind bars and award the winner's cheque to Wawrinka.(I don't even like Stan that much but Nadal is a scumbag)
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
I think Novak's been called out a lot of times (ironically by Nadal fans) for his less than sportsmanlike behaviour. But IMO he learned from the master
Of course, that doesn't make it alright. Indeed, I've always maintained that Nadal and Djokovic are literally the worst players to watch because they will descend to pretty much any level in order to win in addition to playing one-track tennis.
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
We'll have to let Stanley decide.
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monfed
Guest
The ATP are clearly hand-in glove with the disgusting Nadal, slowing surfaces down even indoors LMAO! Letting him get away with cheating to win his dirty slams. How else is a talentless hack like Nadal gonna be successful without breaking rules and getting help from his scumbag uncle who is utterly shameless himself.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
I can't stand Toni. He needs to stay home and shut up. Even if it is just things like "move your feet" which he admitted to, he just talks too much.
namelessone
Legend
Guess Nadal must be a mastermind criminal since everything he does is OUT IN THE OPEN and he is still a worldwide tennis star.
namelessone
Legend
Have you heard of Occam's Razor?
What's more likely, that Nadal is a talented player who keeps on winning or that everything and everyone in the ATP universe is conspiring to make him a multislam winner(with Nadal have little to not talent in this scenario)?
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
My point exactly. Butthurt beyond belief. :shock:
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monfed
Guest
Well he has blind fanatics like you to defend him no matter what he does and admin at the ATP who think just like you to back him so he's in safe hands. I predict another snarky response from you since you're incapable of having a reasonable debate without attempting to demonize your opponent.
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namelessone
Legend
This line is hilarious.
So when Tony tries to help Rafa via COACHING, it's normal, it's part of the game(even though this constitutes as rule breaking)
When it's TOO MUCH COACHING(I'm guessing Tony was too vocal or something along those lines), then we step over the line.
It comes back to what I was saying, the thinking on tour seems to be "break this rule but do it quietly, don't be a braggart about it".
victorcruz
Hall of Fame
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
Exactly.
He actually told on himself and the rest of the tour with that statement.
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monfed
Guest
Nadal's been called a talentless hack and a dirtballer by commentators ever since he won his first slam and ever since then he's been fighting off that image, but everyone and the sun have claimed the surfaces have slowed down which have benefitted him so the talentelss part still holds good even today. But then again you already know this and have no intention of having a proper debate, instead you make snarky comments as if they were revelations. QUIT STALLING!
namelessone
Legend
Well, let's see, I have given your ARGUMENTS about the use of coaching on the tour(and what constitutes coaching according to the rulebook) and you have called me moron because you don't have any actual retort. My tone has been civilized whereas yours...the less said the better.
