Wayne Odesnik BANNED again for DOPING (15 year ban lol)

I think more people are willing to give a pass to Agassi because crystal meth isn't a performance enhancing drug*. By the rules though, he should have been suspended for three months, IIRC.

*And for the people who think it is because of the rush it gives the user, and they're certainly out there - do some damn research.


The reason I said the same 'Good Riddance' thing should've been applied to Agassi is that not only he took a drug that wasn't permitted but also later admitted to tanking a semi final match at a Slam against Chang at the Australian Open.I know that meth isn't a performance enhancing and yes,I know that nobody knew he tanked until the insecure weasel's confession after he retired many year later just saying in principle that he should've been wiped as a result of it.He did enough damage as a result of it.
 
How you can involve Cilic, in this context, is unfathomable.


I'm just saying that if Cilic,in the next couple of years or so,for whatever reason,finds himself give a positive test again would he then get the indignant treatment for simply being so stupid and not learning his lesson by taking extra precautions.Yes I know he and Odesnik are poles apart.. One is a blatant cheat whilst the other isn't and simply ingested something inadvertently.. however,I simply just made the point as to whether something like Murray would say the same thing to someone who A) Is a high ranked player and not disliked like Odesnik and B) Not being more careful this time to make sure the same thing didn't occur again.Hope this clears it up.
 

*Sparkle*

Professional
You have to treat each case on its own merits, or lack of them. The scenarios mentioned all have different qualities to them, so it's no use trying to compare.

Murray already said something along the lines of Cilic being stupid to not do the proper checks on his supplements. If it happened again, then I expect him to be more scathing.

In this particular scenario, I have less sympathy for the top players, because they should know better, and they have their own people who can give them advice, and they can afford to get their supplements checked, and to buy an expensive brand with all of the right certificates. There is a helpline available to all players, so don't have much of an excuse either, especially these days with everyone having the internet and knowing that it can be a problem.

Actively calling another player a cheat is a different matter. You have to be sure you are right, and there's just so much evidence against Odesnik, from a variety of sources. His supplements were contaminated in a worse way than Cilic's were, and Cilic manage to cobble together a plausible story, which fitted with his blood and urine test results, and not just the one that failed.

It's true, it's easier to call out a lower ranked player who you already didn't much like. Equally, if a top player was found to fail a test, it could look like poor sportsmanship for his rivals to make a show of it. You'd have to find a way to condemn the actions, without it looking like making excuses for the times he beat you.

At this point in time, I'm more bothered by Djokovic failing to fully condemn Odesnik, especially as he had plenty of time to think about it, and likes to present himself as a leader and stateman. I understand the desire to show compassion, but Odesnik hasn't actually said sorry, nor taken any responsibility for what happened.

It's all very well wanting to show solidarity for your countryman, and even to say you believe their version of events. IMO, he over-stepped the mark with some of his criticisms of the doping authorities in the Troicki case, and now his comments might be construed as suggesting Odesnik is a victim of a corrupt/incompetent testing system. It's incredibly unhelpful.
 

jg153040

G.O.A.T.
The reason I said the same 'Good Riddance' thing should've been applied to Agassi is that not only he took a drug that wasn't permitted but also later admitted to tanking a semi final match at a Slam against Chang at the Australian Open.I know that meth isn't a performance enhancing and yes,I know that nobody knew he tanked until the insecure weasel's confession after he retired many year later just saying in principle that he should've been wiped as a result of it.He did enough damage as a result of it.

But what Agassi took was power reducing drug, not power enhancing drug :).

So, he helped others to win more. So maybe Agassi should get some of the money back.
 

*Sparkle*

Professional
I wasn't paying that much attention to tennis at the time, but I got the impression that Agassi's positive test coincided with a run of terrible form. It was wrong to cover it up, but it has no meaningful comparison with someone found guilty of taking very something that is very definitely linked to performance.
 

racquetreligion

Hall of Fame
But what Agassi took was power reducing drug, not power enhancing drug :).

So, he helped others to win more. So maybe Agassi should get some of the money back.

yeah they should give Baldy some of his money back to help with destroying pristine country locations and putting in super hotels to let people know he is far from humble.
 

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Talk Tennis Guru
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