Ways to make Black Code 4S more comfortable?

Hi,

Right now I'm playing with a full bed of Black Code 4S strung at 50lb. However after 2-4 hours of gameplay, my arm will usually start to feel more sore. My racket is the RF 97 Autograph one btw.

So I'm looking for ways to make it more comfortable. Right now I'm thinking of stringing it with some multifilament crosses (like X-1 biphase), except for this set up I assume it won't be very durable at all. Next idea is to just string it lower, I was thinking maybe 46-47 lb? Or maybe it should be lower, I'm not quite sure.

PS: If possible I don't wanna switch off the Black Code 4S. I was given a reel of it, so I'd kinda feel bad if I don't end up finishing it at all.
 

TypeRx

Semi-Pro
If you aren't willing to switch strings or gauge, there is nothing you can do outside of pre-stretching (which probably won't increase comfort at all..maybe just longevity), experimenting with different tensions (keep going down...try 45 lbs next), or hybriding it. A cheap syn gut like gosen OGSM should work..just string the crosses about 3-5 lbs higher than the mains.

Really though, if you are getting arm soreness after just a couple hours, you are being really penny-wise/pound foolish by continuing to use this string.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Which gauge are you using?
In terms of lab results, their 17 gauge is softer than the 16 and the 18 gauges.

I found 4S very soft with great performance at 40 lbs.

For a poly, 4S maintains tension exceptionally well, so don't be afraid to go low.
 
In terms of lab results, their 17 gauge is softer than the 16 and the 18 gauges.

I found 4S very soft with great performance at 40 lbs.

For a poly, 4S maintains tension exceptionally well, so don't be afraid to go low.
I'm using the 17g. I'll try 40 lb next time! Do you think there'd be a drastic difference between 40 and 50lb in terms of playability?
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Hi,

Right now I'm playing with a full bed of Black Code 4S strung at 50lb. However after 2-4 hours of gameplay, my arm will usually start to feel more sore. My racket is the RF 97 Autograph one btw.

So I'm looking for ways to make it more comfortable. Right now I'm thinking of stringing it with some multifilament crosses (like X-1 biphase), except for this set up I assume it won't be very durable at all. Next idea is to just string it lower, I was thinking maybe 46-47 lb? Or maybe it should be lower, I'm not quite sure.

PS: If possible I don't wanna switch off the Black Code 4S. I was given a reel of it, so I'd kinda feel bad if I don't end up finishing it at all.
Easy peasy. String the mains 10lbs higher and the crosses 10lbs lower and dont switch to another cross string just use the blackcode. So 60/40
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
What effect does this have? I can't say I've heard of it before.
Comfort is a combo of many factors but one of the biggest imho is how easily the mains slide at initial contact. Lower crosses help the mains slide easier so its more comfy while still keeping the control. It also increase the launch angle a bit so it gives a bit more depth.

Worth a try.
 

pabletion

Hall of Fame
Comfort is a combo of many factors but one of the biggest imho is how easily the mains slide at initial contact. Lower crosses help the mains slide easier so its more comfy while still keeping the control. It also increase the launch angle a bit so it gives a bit more depth.

Worth a try.
Whoa. Interesting. Im LOVING BlackCode 4S at the moment, using 16 gauge. Im stringing at 53 lbs on a Tecnifibre Tfight DC 300 (10 grams of lead). It is one of the stiffest Tecnifibre polys out there, but surely not of the stiffest polys overall. Im experimenting using a softer cross poly, so I strung my racquet with BlackCode 4S 16g mains and Red Code Wax 17g crosses, both at 53 lbs. It feels WAY softer, given that RedCode Wax is much softer, so I would suggest you try this. Red Code Wax allows the mains to move and slide a lot since its a very slick string.

Im going to try it again and go higher in tension, launch angle is definitely higher with this current setup and felt I lost some control, too springy. Im thinking of going maybe to 53 mains with the black code 4s, and 55-56 crosses with the Red Code Wax.
 

Muppet

Legend
Easy peasy. String the mains 10lbs higher and the crosses 10lbs lower and dont switch to another cross string just use the blackcode. So 60/40
Shroud, do you ever consider how durable/fragile a person's racquet might be when you offer this advice? I'd love to try this in one of my Dunlop 200 racquets, but I'm sure I'd crush it.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Shroud, do you ever consider how durable/fragile a person's racquet might be when you offer this advice? I'd love to try this in one of my Dunlop 200 racquets, but I'm sure I'd crush it.
Not really as I dont think its an issue. I have done tones of frames and even detailed all the ones in a thread. By the posts on these forums my racquets all should have exploded and my arm died long ago. But no issues

In the “in praise of kev/zx” thread there are 17 pages of people trying that combo with a differential and i cant recall one report of a racquet issue.

Also people string gut/ poly all the time. The best tension maintenence with the worse. You dont think there are people with that combo after a few outings where the polys have lost tension a ton and the gut hasnt?

Also you are fooling yourself if you think the crosses get pulled as tight as the mains and that the mains dont get tighter after the crosses are installed. The imbalance is builtin anyhow.

But yeah stringers whig out. Years ago I would worry as racquets cracked just from looking at them Maybe op can try an old racquet or a beater racquet if he is worried.

Oh i did 20lbs on my ps85 and also my 20 year plus profiles with no issues. Maybe your dunlop is different.
 

Muppet

Legend
Not really as I dont think its an issue. I have done tones of frames and even detailed all the ones in a thread. By the posts on these forums my racquets all should have exploded and my arm died long ago. But no issues

In the “in praise of kev/zx” thread there are 17 pages of people trying that combo with a differential and i cant recall one report of a racquet issue.

Also people string gut/ poly all the time. The best tension maintenence with the worse. You dont think there are people with that combo after a few outings where the polys have lost tension a ton and the gut hasnt?

Also you are fooling yourself if you think the crosses get pulled as tight as the mains and that the mains dont get tighter after the crosses are installed. The imbalance is builtin anyhow.

But yeah stringers whig out. Years ago I would worry as racquets cracked just from looking at them Maybe op can try an old racquet or a beater racquet if he is worried.

Oh i did 20lbs on my ps85 and also my 20 year plus profiles with no issues. Maybe your dunlop is different.
My Dunlops have twist weights of about 10 and the Aerogel 200 is at 12.8, according to TWU numbers. This is low as the scale for tw runs from approx 10 to 16. What gives a frame its twist weight is either stiffness through the sides of the hoop and throat or weight distributed to those locations.

If my racquets are weaker through 3&9, wouldn't they be more vulnerable to a low cross tension and a high main tension? If I'm going to experiment this way on a racquet, it will definitely be the Aerogel 200. It's a little stiffer and I have problems with it losing tension in the crosses due to the M-fil elements at 3&9.

My other Dunlops are 2 x MW200G 95, Biommetic 200. They're nice and soft and I'm not risking them.
 
Here's how to make the Black Code 4s more comfortable:

You get a pair of cutters

Racquet in your other hand

And you start cutting the strings until you can pull them out

Ta Daaaaaaaaaa
 

1HBHfanatic

Hall of Fame
I would try lowering the cross tension
50lb mains / 48lb crosses,, retain same control, with a slight lower tension for comfort,, @Shroud suggested similar advise, but his tension preference is, mmmm,,, "unique",, he did point you in the right direction though...imo

one other thing to consider.. tecnifibre 4s is a really good string, any one of your budies would trade you packs for it..
4sided strings are in, right now, trade or sell..
 

Karma Tennis

Hall of Fame
Hi,

Right now I'm playing with a full bed of Black Code 4S strung at 50lb. However after 2-4 hours of gameplay, my arm will usually start to feel more sore. My racket is the RF 97 Autograph one btw.

PS: If possible I don't wanna switch off the Black Code 4S. I was given a reel of it, so I'd kinda feel bad if I don't end up finishing it at all.
If you are happy with your racquet specs and you are using a leather grip, replace the leather grip with a lighter synthetic grip, make up the difference in weight by stuffing Blu-Tack inside the handle. The Blu-Tack will absorb more of the impact shock and may reduce or eliminate your arm soreness.

This assumes that your arm soreness is a result of the impact shock rather than because of the (relatively) heavy static weight and higher swing-weight of the RF97A. If it more to do with the weight of the racquet, then you only have two solutions, change racquets or get in the gym.
 
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