WB Comments on Ltr to US Tennis Industry-PART I

t135

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Yawn, trying to be the board patrol is boring. Ignore what you do not care to read. Those who feel the need to control internet topics are the ones who should grow up.

You're one of those people who will argue with a sign post. About anything. Someone starts an interesting discussion about Wayne Bryan's thoughts and it immediately becomes about you and your daughter. You are childish like kids on a playground claiming "my dad can beat up your dad".

I'll say anything I want on here buddy, if you don't like it don't read it. Oh, and my daughter can beat your daughter any day of the week.
 
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Tennishacker

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Nice trying to flip it around. You tried to tell us what to post, I said no thanks. End of story.

If you want to say the same thing for the 1000th time about Wayne Bryan or the USTA changes, go for it. Those who want to read it will.

My daughter would wipe up the court with your daughter. And my dog is better looking than your dog. My grandfather is taller than yours. Hey, I thought you were Mr. Mature?

TCF, time to take another break from this board.
 
No TCF. Lebron one of greatest athletes ever any sport. Saw him live. TV does not do him justice. If he wanted to play tennis no doubt he would be a great player. We delude ourselves becuase we need to believe in the greatness our kids. It hurts to think they have gotten to the top of the junior rankings by default, i.e. the better athletes bypassing tennis.
 

Soianka

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1. I explained at length that I think posting a video of an 8 year old girl is insane. There are no take backs, its there forever, reproduced any number of times, viewed by any pedophile for any purpose he chooses. No thanks.

2. Sorry, saw your videos, I think I might have offered some advice, I forget. Different planets. No your kid could not hang with any of the 12s girls talked about here. And my girl would literally embarrass him. In fact she would HATE playing him. She HATES playing people that she beats badly.

I can remember off hand 3 times when delusional parents have asked to play her in practice. She beat one boy and he cried the last 3 games. That night on Skype I heard her tell her grandpa that she hated tennis because of it. Took me days to get her back on the court.

Frankly....take 10 steps back. If you think your boy would have any chance of winning a game vs Abby, Nicole, or Grace, you are borderline insane! And unless your boy is different than every other boy, getting owned by a girl at that age is not going to be a nice day for him.

His forehand looks better but he still is backing up like he is afraid of the ball. He is not getting his mass behind the ball. The elite kids will move him back and then slice the heck out of him. Seriously, work over the next few years to break his habit of backing up on everything. My girl would blast a topspin ground stroke to the baseline and then follow with a slice or dropper that he would not get within 3 feet of hitting.

Also, his take back is huge compared to good players. With that take back he will not have time to respond on the move or to the pace of better players. He also will have more unforced errors, more to go wrong. He also does not get the racquet into the slot and will not generate enough topspin to hit with enough pace yet keep the ball in bounds. Those girls would eat his flatter balls for lunch.

Before wondering if he can beat those 12s at least let him play some elite kids. The levels of tennis in FL. are light years from where you live. You were posting less than a year ago that he was still using green balls for goodness sakes! Now he is going to play with players who have been taking regulation balls on the rise for 5 years? Come on now. Walk before you try to sprint.

I wish posters like you would realize that I could care less who believes what. My girl may be playing hoops only by age 10, who knows. I posted facts that she happens to be a tennis freak as of today. That means absolutely nothing long term. Who cares? I would think there are girls her age even better somewhere in Russia right now. Again, so what? They are kids who most likely will not do a thing in tennis as adults except for play in some adult leagues.

Look we all know you are never going to meet anyone here or let your daughter play anyone here.

And we all know why.

No need to insult yet another tennis kid to try to cover your tracks.
 
Look we all know you are never going to meet anyone here or let your daughter play anyone here.

And we all know why.

No need to insult yet another tennis kid to try to cover your tracks.

He was and under achiever in his sporting years and if he was half the coach I am and could get close to producing what I have it would be up on youtube in a second .

You can bet he is a teaching pro "dime a dozen" and when someone has a better prodigy he explodes and lashes out , out in CA Mr.B has delt with his type all the time we know his language , thats why i have posted over time that he is parks and rec tennis coach and if tenniscp is correct then will have his name up soon and you will see I have been correct the whole time.

Will let you know who he is soon and someone will have video of his kid soon on here and trust me she wont be that special and he will pipe down.
 

Stokke

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I can remember off hand 3 times when delusional parents have asked to play her in practice. She beat one boy and he cried the last 3 games. That night on Skype I heard her tell her grandpa that she hated tennis because of it. Took me days to get her back on the court.

Frankly....take 10 steps back. If you think your boy would have any chance of winning a game vs Abby, Nicole, or Grace, you are borderline insane! And unless your boy is different than every other boy, getting owned by a girl at that age is not going to be a nice day for him.

No, getting owned by a 8 year old girl would not be a nice day for him but he does not expect every single match to be "nice". I am sure that he would appreciate your girl´s amazing talent (should it turn out to be as you describe it).

His forehand looks better but he still is backing up like he is afraid of the ball. He is not getting his mass behind the ball. The elite kids will move him back and then slice the heck out of him. Seriously, work over the next few years to break his habit of backing up on everything. My girl would blast a topspin ground stroke to the baseline and then follow with a slice or dropper that he would not get within 3 feet of hitting.

Also, his take back is huge compared to good players. With that take back he will not have time to respond on the move or to the pace of better players. He also will have more unforced errors, more to go wrong. He also does not get the racquet into the slot and will not generate enough topspin to hit with enough pace yet keep the ball in bounds. Those girls would eat his flatter balls for lunch.

Although I doubt your conclusion, I appreciate the feedback.

Before wondering if he can beat those 12s at least let him play some elite kids. The levels of tennis in FL. are light years from where you live. You were posting less than a year ago that he was still using green balls for goodness sakes! Now he is going to play with players who have been taking regulation balls on the rise for 5 years? Come on now. Walk before you try to sprint.

I was not wondering if he could beat those 12s - you are the one who postulated that your kid can beat them, remember.?

Yes, he was using green balls a year ago (still uses them regularly since all u12 tournaments uses them here) so we are, to use your metaphor, still walking - but we also like to sprint occasionally.

I wish posters like you would realize that I could care less who believes what. My girl may be playing hoops only by age 10, who knows. I posted facts that she happens to be a tennis freak as of today.

You do not care what we believe - and then you assure us that it is a fact that your girl is a tennis freak.. Got it.
 
Stokke he calls parents dilusional! Then says he has and 8 yr old that can beat the no.1 12 yr old in the nation !!

Stokke HELLO !! he has a 8 yr old that can beat the no.1 12 yr old in the nation ??

Stokke Hello !! who is delusional ? 8 yrs old over no1 12 yr old in Nation ?

are you hearing me Stokke now get out the strait jacket and I will tackle him you put it on him cause earlier he was talking about Haleys coment dropping magic dust on his daughter in the perfect storm !!! ready set lets get him.
 

Stokke

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Stokke he calls parents dilusional! Then says he has and 8 yr old that can beat the no.1 12 yr old in the nation !!

Stokke HELLO !! he has a 8 yr old that can beat the no.1 12 yr old in the nation ??

Stokke Hello !! who is delusional ? 8 yrs old over no1 12 yr old in Nation ?

are you hearing me Stokke now get out the strait jacket and I will tackle him you put it on him cause earlier he was talking about Haleys coment dropping magic dust on his daughter in the perfect storm !!! ready set lets get him.

Lol.

No thanks - I have no idea if what TCF says about his daughter is true or not. I just saw this as an opportunity to get my son a practise match while we are in Florida.

I have no problems with ignoring his condescending tone while I contemplate his advice - some of which I find useful.
 
Maybe he has this 8 yr old superstar maybe he doesn't. He did say I believe that she starting playing at 18 months. Very unusual. Never seen anything like that. Most kids don't have the attention span to really play in match setting until 8 or 9. Why is this kid important. Take everything you read here with a grain of salt. TCF is an interesting contributor. Let's leave it at that.
 
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The way I see it, TFC is right that there probably is lots of international players out there who could win this Abby girl. Some of them same age, some of them younger. I've seen players around 10 who are ways ahead of her, winning european tournaments u 12, and I would be very surprised if they would not win Abby.

If some of those international girls cabable of beating Abby are only 8, I'm not sure, but I wouldn't say it's impossible, I've seen some of the girls mature very early physically.

I hope you know that a lot of these girls (and boys) are not what they seem. Age fabrication has been prevalent in every facet of sports in the past few decades. It's nearly impossible for US born athletes to fudge their birthdates at a level where it matters but relatively easy, and common, in other countries.
 
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sureshs

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Vain Bryan's list of US coaches and his hatred for foreign coaches seems to worded like a politician.

His hatred of foreign coaches funded by the USTA is targeted towards just one guy I think: Jose Higueras. He is not the first person to be upset by Jose's top appointment at the USTA and his belief in the Spanish style and clay courts, and the fact that Jose has not taken US citizenship.

Vain should keep in mind that of the coaches he listed, only Annacone was found worthy by Federer of coaching him. Guess who is the other? Higueras.

Vain needs to reminded that the following American pro players have been coached by Higueras: Chang, Martin, Sampras, Ginepri.

Vain needs to contact the above players and ask them why they did not hire the "incredible" American coaches instead, thus providing them employment for that period of time. The answer may not be appreciated by Vain, because he does not know that excellence in tennis does not go by his narrow minded views, as he never accomplished anything at an elite level that the tennis world cares about.

I also love how Vain mentions American coaches of all shapes and sizes to show that though he hates foreign coaches, he is all-inclusive about gender and race and should never be perceived as bigoted. Very clever politician at work here.

Hey Vain, just read in Tennis magazine that Jack Sock has hired former Swedish player Joakim Nystrom as his coach, thus snubbing all the "incredible" American coaches during these tough times.

Please write your usual candid open letter to him and publicize it wildly. We will be waiting to see if you have the guts to do it. Now, if Jack Sock comes back and says you don't have a clue about tennis, don't blame us for it.
 
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Hey Vain, just read in Tennis magazine that Jack Sock has hired former Swedish player Joakim Nystrom as his coach, thus snubbing all the "incredible" American coaches during these tough times.

Please write your usual candid open letter to him and publicize it wildly. We will be waiting to see if you have the guts to do it. Now, if Jack Sock comes back and says you don't have a clue about tennis, don't blame us for it.

Not sure but what Nationality is Alacone or Gilbert between Sampras and Agassi they seem like pretty solid coaches, also this guy Lansthorp I know he has been here in the USA for most of his life and considers himself American I believe and He has had some students with good results yah ?
 
Not sure but what Nationality is Alacone or Gilbert between Sampras and Agassi they seem like pretty solid coaches, also this guy Lansthorp I know he has been here in the USA for most of his life and considers himself American I believe and He has had some students with good results yah ?

Yeah, but who wants to work with an arrogant, stuck up, old man. It is counter productive to say the least.
 
Maybe in a sport where Olympic medals mean everything, like gymnastics. Yeah, age fixing means money and happens all the time. It starts as toddlers as they pick kids with certain attributes.

There is no advantage in tennis. No one gets paid until the player reaches the top 75. Saying a tennis kid is 10 instead of 12 makes no one a penny. Seeing a 6 year old with tennis talent and conducting a huge effort to make them 4 on documents makes zero sense.

The very most would be maybe a scholarship. But schools will take 22 year olds if it means wins so colleges even could care less about a year or 2 in age. And the sponsors would not make any money if the tennis kid does not become a top pro anyway.

Not talking about gymnastics specifically, but rather age fixing in soccer (Europe and South America), baseball (South America) and to an extent holding kids back 1 to 2 years deliberately for football (US). No one is thinking about the top 75, everyone is thinking about the road to the top and being the top of your age group is going to open up doors regardless of the sport.

And fudging ages is not a huge effort, like you put it, in other countries.
 
Not talking about gymnastics specifically, but rather age fixing in soccer (Europe and South America), baseball (South America) and to an extent holding kids back 1 to 2 years deliberately for football (US). No one is thinking about the top 75, everyone is thinking about the road to the top and being the top of your age group is going to open up doors regardless of the sport.

And fudging ages is not a huge effort, like you put it, in other countries.

You have to understand who your talking to "TCF" as I pointed out on another thread TCF always seems to fudge the numbers has outtageous facts about a current player when he was 10 yrs old, he has never layed eyes on any of them but they were TOTTALLLY of the charts and to that I laugh .

As a person who has developed a real top Jr . not a made up dillusion they all bleed the same,go potty the same ,smell after workouts, OH yah they eat food also.

The difference is all in understanding "development" which TCF doesnt .
 
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t135

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Folks, lets get some context here. I have no idea why some posters are posting things like "my daughter can beat your daughter".

This entire discussion started between Abby's dad and myself, and others joined in when he was banned. I have seen Abby's videos and saw her play briefly in Boca last summer. So with that information, I said my kid can beat her. Thats all.

I never said my kid can beat your kid or your friends kid, beat every 11 year old on earth. I have never seen your kids videos or seen them live so have no idea about them. I even said I would think some unknown Russian girls are better than mine. Specifically talking about beating one player, Abby.

And even that is not a big deal. So what if she can beat Abby today, does not mean a thing who will be the better player as an adult. Frankly, Abby seems much more obsessed with tennis than my kid so long term I would bet on her going further.

The entire point was that people need to realize that being the "top" USTA 12 does not mean anything except for that player entered the system early and was very aggressive in playing lots of tournaments, and many times placing gathering USTA points over development.

Fair enough. Thanks and best of luck with your daughter.
 

Stokke

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It was not meant to be condescending but I can see how it came off that way. It was more meant as a reality check as you said you did not know how your boy would do vs those 12s girls. If you are entertaining such thoughts, you simply have not seen the levels of tennis enough yet.

My boy and I are both very much looking forward to experiencing tennis in Florida - he will, hopefully, be competing against some very good players his own age. It will surely, as you put it, be a reality check. He knows it and I know it - and we both intend to use the experience as a motivator to work harder.

How do you want to prove the results of this match you want? Since I will not allow videos? After the match I come on here and say my girl crushed your kid, you come on here and say your boy crushed my kid. IN the end we will still be guys on the internet posting things that may not be true.

I do not care about who wins the match - we could agree upfront to proclaim your kid as the winner if you prefer that. I was impressed by your description of your girl - and thought that a practice match with her would be a good experience for my boy.

You say that your girl would hate to play my boy. Fair enough - it was only a proposal and you are ofcourse entitled to decline it.

More condescending stuff not meant to be alert......do not worry about practice matches yet. Your boy is not ready for that. He needs to be broken of the backing up on everything habit. Once he starts winning with that defensive strategy it will be hard to break. Better players will get him back on his heels and then slice and dice him to pieces.

Fix his take back, backing up issues, get the racquet in the slot, fix these first....then start competition.

My boy is not ready for practice matches?!

I will have you know that he beat our national number 5 in the 12u - and he took a set from a player who had participated in the world cup in Croatia this summer.

It is stuff like this that makes you come accross as condescending (are you even aware of that?).

However - despite your less than endearing personality, I like you. Where do we sign up for private lessons? (No, I am not beeing sarcastic).
 

NLBwell

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As far as all these 8, 9, 10-year old kids, Jelena Jankovic didn't start playing tennis until she was 9 1/2. Whether TCF's evaluation of his daughter's present skills is correct I have no way of knowing, but he has often correctly stated that winning at a young age isn't a good barometer of how good the kids will be when they grow up.
 

rgwarren

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The way I see it, TFC is right that there probably is lots of international players out there who could win this Abby girl. Some of them same age, some of them younger. I've seen players around 10 who are ways ahead of her, winning european tournaments u 12, and I would be very surprised if they would not win Abby.

If some of those international girls cabable of beating Abby are only 8, I'm not sure, but I wouldn't say it's impossible, I've seen some of the girls mature very early physically.

And psychologically, I'd say that some of those younger girls I 've seen wouldn't feel any pressure whatsoever facing Abby, quite the contrary.

When it comes to Db, never seen him anywhere but in videos, so difficult to say for sure if he has a real chance or not, but I hope all the best for him and his team. I respect their all in attitude very much, they've got balls.

At the same time, because couple of my friends did it and one is trying to do it right know, I do know that trying to make it through the futures and challengers (one of those friends made it atp top 100, others 100-250, all top 5 euro kids originally) is something I wouldn't push my kid into instead of free college unless my kid was top 10 ITF. Being 'only' almost top european seems to mean nothing. Maybe it's different if you're American I don't know...

I seen Abby play last year at Eddie Herr international tournament. She was 10 yrs old and 10nth seed. Lost to the champion in Quarterfinals. That would put her at 10 yrs old in the top 8 in the world's 12. Today she is 11 and I think she will be #1 seed at Eddie Herr, at Nike International (she got a wild card), at Orange Bowl. Now if you think that some 10 yr old will beat her. I wold say NOOOO Way. She is from our region and I've seen her grow up. The only way she will get beat is if she is sick, or hurt...dont' listen to TCF he is full of it.
 

rgwarren

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My boy and I are both very much looking forward to experiencing tennis in Florida - he will, hopefully, be competing against some very good players his own age. It will surely, as you put it, be a reality check. He knows it and I know it - and we both intend to use the experience as a motivator to work harder.



I do not care about who wins the match - we could agree upfront to proclaim your kid as the winner if you prefer that. I was impressed by your description of your girl - and thought that a practice match with her would be a good experience for my boy.

You say that your girl would hate to play my boy. Fair enough - it was only a proposal and you are ofcourse entitled to decline it.



My boy is not ready for practice matches?!

I will have you know that he beat our national number 5 in the 12u - and he took a set from a player who had participated in the world cup in Croatia this summer.

It is stuff like this that makes you come accross as condescending (are you even aware of that?).

However - despite your less than endearing personality, I like you. Where do we sign up for private lessons? (No, I am not beeing sarcastic).

SKIP TCF, GET TOGETHER WITH NUMBER1COACH, HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING. GO WITH PROVEN WINNERS NOT SOME WANNABE'S,
 
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