We should acknowledge that ................

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
I think it was pretty clearly explained he was UNPREPARED because he was either Injured or coming out of an injury.

You do this constantly. Either brush up on your reading comprehension skills or be more subtle playing dumb.
I would take your advise, but I'd suggest you take it first and apply it and I'll follow suit. You tried this before and it didn't work, and here you are trying again....funny how the vast majority here seem to get what I am saying, and have pretty engaging dicussions with me, strange for someone who has reading comprehension skills isn't it? ;)
 

brc444

Rookie
Looking at a couple examples, was Nadal really injured at 2005 Wimbledon when he lost to Muller and 2005 US open when he lost to Blake? I saw the Blake match and don’t remember anyone talking about an injury while watching it.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
It's a well known fact Nadal takes more time than allowed between points, more often than anyone else of the BIg3.
Is this all you can come up with? That is in the imagination of people who arm themselves with a stopwatch when Nadal is playing rather than watch the match when the umpire's timekeeping is what matters. Up to 2013, the time between points had not been enforced for decades and now that it is and they have a timer on court, Rafa has the same routine and doesn't get TV warnings that often. I don't know how they expected players to keep time in their heads and concentrate on their game at the same time.

You say it's factually based but you havent shown any evidence where Rafa has been fined for cheating. Without any official saction of your allegation, it remains hearsay and not worth a dime.
 

TennisFan3

G.O.A.T.
Rafa has been very unlucky at the AO.

"Although he triumphed in Melbourne in 2009, he was repeatedly plagued by injuries at the first Grand Slam event of the year: In 2010, 2011, 2014, 2018 and 2021, the Spaniard could not physically draw on the full."

Nadal's AO saga has been absolutely strange.

2010 injured
2011 - part injured.
2012 - Close in 5th set vs Novak
2014 - horrible injury in final he surely should have won vs his pigeon
2017- Super close in 5th set vs Fed
2018 - Part injured

Nadal has MASSIVELY UNDERPERFORMED at AO. If someone said in 2009, that Nadal would NEVER win another AO - who would have believed them?
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
The goto made up stories when haters run out of legitimate argument.
Indian Wells is being played as we speak, what's the point of starting a thread about Rafa at the AO? That won't be played for three more months and Nadal (along with Fed) aren't important in tennis at the moment because they're not playing. In any case, every player who has the success of Rafa has lucky periods and unlucky patches. Not sure what the point of the thread is except to interject Rafa into a random thread for relevancy purposes. Any Fed fan could start threads, "Roger was SO unlucky on MP's at Wimbledon in 2019!" Who cares at this point, it's all water under the bridge.
 

DjokoLand

Hall of Fame
As I said before Nadal might have had the worst injuries in his career of the big 3 but he never missed RG and there is a reason for that.
He takes time off when not 100% at events he knows he won’t win and comes back fit for the ones he can. He is smart, but injuries haven’t held him back title wise as much as people think
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
If someone said in 2009, that Nadal would NEVER win another AO - who would have believed them?
The majority of people. In January, 2009, Nadal had never won a HC slam and had won only 5 HC tournaments. Nobody was predicting he would win multiple HC slams in 2009.
 

TennisFan3

G.O.A.T.
The majority of people. In January, 2009, Nadal had never won a HC slam and had won only 5 HC tournaments. Nobody was predicting he would win multiple HC slams in 2009.
In 2009 Nadal was 23. He was not even in his prime that is why he had NOT won much on HC. Obviously he was EXPECTED to win more HC slams as he got older and better.
People could see he would be an ATG even at that age.

Fact is Nadal underperformed at the AO and at Wimbledon. Partly due to injuries and partly due to bad luck.
But his 1 AO and 2 Wimbledon titles do not reflect his potential on hard and grass.
 

TennisFan3

G.O.A.T.
As I said before Nadal might have had the worst injuries in his career of the big 3 but he never missed RG and there is a reason for that.
He takes time off when not 100% at events he knows he won’t win and comes back fit for the ones he can. He is smart, but injuries haven’t held him back title wise as much as people think
He was injured in F.O 2009, 2016 and 2021 - that's already 3 on the table. In 2016, he withdrew midway when he was looking really good.
Not saying he would have won all of those. But still..
 

DjokoLand

Hall of Fame
He was injured in F.O 2009, 2016 and 2021 - that's already 3 on the table. In 2016, he withdrew midway when he was looking really good.
Not saying he would have won all of those. But still..
But that’s my point he still played as he thought he could win. For example Djokovic in 2017-2018 was injured but still played every week. If that was Nadal he would of took 6 months + off.
Im not saying anything bad against Nadal it’s incredibly smart of him and is the reason he still is playing at 35 but all the HC tournaments he missed he probably would of won much. All players play with pain but none are as smart as Nadal at managing his body
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
As I said before Nadal might have had the worst injuries in his career of the big 3 but he never missed RG and there is a reason for that.
He takes time off when not 100% at events he knows he won’t win and comes back fit for the ones he can. He is smart, but injuries haven’t held him back title wise as much as people think
So Nadal has deliberately missed 4 USOs because he didn’t think he could win when he’s won it more times since 2010 than anyone?
 
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PilotPete

Hall of Fame
Is this all you can come up with? That is in the imagination of people who arm themselves with a stopwatch when Nadal is playing rather than watch the match when the umpire's timekeeping is what matters. Up to 2013, the time between points had not been enforced for decades and now that it is and they have a timer on court, Rafa has the same routine and doesn't get TV warnings that often. I don't know how they expected players to keep time in their heads and concentrate on their game at the same time.

You say it's factually based but you havent shown any evidence where Rafa has been fined for cheating. Without any official saction of your allegation, it remains hearsay and not worth a dime.
Sure but just because something is not enforced, doesn't mean it's not cheating if you continue doing it. Just because you don't get fined or haven't been caught, doesn't mean you haven't cheated. If someone kills another, and gets away with it, doesn't mean they haven't committed murder.
 

vive le beau jeu !

Talk Tennis Guru
Here's a complete list of all the grand slam tournaments Nadal did not win BECAUSE he was injured (starting from Wimbledon 2005):

- Wimbledon 2005
- US Open 2005
- Australian Open 2006
- Wimbledon 2006
- US Open 2006
- Australian Open 2007
- Wimbledon 2007
- US Open 2007
- Australian Open 2008
- US Open 2008
- French Open 2009
- Wimbledon 2009
- US Open 2009
- Australian Open 2010
- Australien Open 2011
- Wimbledon 2011
- US Open 2011
- Australian Open 2012
- Wimbledon 2012
- US Open 2012
- Australian Open 2013
- Wimbledon 2013
- Australian Open 2014
- Wimbledon 2014
- US Open 2014
- Australian Open 2015
- French Open 2015
- Wimbledon 2015
- US Open 2015
- Australian Open 2016
- French Open 2016
- Wimbledon 2016
- US Open 2016
- Australian Open 2017
- Wimbledon 2017
- Australian Open 2018
- Wimbledon 2018
- US Open 2018
- Australian Open 2019
- Wimbledon 2019
- Australian Open 2020
- US Open 2020
- Australian Open 2021
- French Open 2021
- Wimbledon 2021
- US Open 2021
@helterskelter ? :unsure:
(those antivamos haters always have a selective memory when it comes to the slams he won in the 70's)



You've got too much time on your hands.

So either injured or unprepared then. Unlucky.
overprepared as well...
('rusty peak injured') :sneaky:
 
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clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Sure but just because something is not enforced, doesn't mean it's not cheating if you continue doing it. Just because you don't get fined or haven't been caught, doesn't mean you haven't cheated. If someone kills another, and gets away with it, doesn't mean they haven't committed murder.
I think you should take your head out of the sand.
 

Rosstour

Legend
Is this all you can come up with? That is in the imagination of people who arm themselves with a stopwatch when Nadal is playing rather than watch the match when the umpire's timekeeping is what matters. Up to 2013, the time between points had not been enforced for decades and now that it is and they have a timer on court, Rafa has the same routine and doesn't get TV warnings that often. I don't know how they expected players to keep time in their heads and concentrate on their game at the same time.

You say it's factually based but you havent shown any evidence where Rafa has been fined for cheating. Without any official saction of your allegation, it remains hearsay and not worth a dime.
Rafa goes ballistec whenever he's called for a rule violation. I imagine it is very intimidating for whoever the umpire happens to be.
 

goldengate14

Professional
That's all well and good but when Rafa is judged as being just a claycourter purely based on the numbers these things have to be pointed out.
Well its only two fanbases who claim he is a clay courter because amazingly Nadal ends a 2nd year in a row leading the Goat race which some are a bit upset about so are spewing hate. Having watched Medvedev last night i still cannot believe Rafa is in the position he is in. same actually can be said for Federer. How on earth Novak did not win last 2 US Opens is an absolute mystery.
 

PilotPete

Hall of Fame
Are you simply an anti-Nadal fan?
No, only interested in you admitting the truth and getting your fat head out of the sand. If you say something about Nadal that doesn't portray him in the best light, it's not going to kill you. It will be the truth (if you stop playing word games) and it might even be a little freeing. These guys are not perfect, they are human, just like me and those who don't have their head in the sand.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
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No, only interested in you admitting the truth and getting your fat head out of the sand. If you say something about Nadal that doesn't portray him in the best light, it's not going to kill you. It will be the truth (if you stop playing word games) and it might even be a little freeing. These guys are not perfect, they are human, just like me and those who don't have their head in the sand.
Who said Rafa was perfect? Accuse him of something he's actually done rather that the whisperings of his anti-fans.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Rafa has been very unlucky at the AO.

"Although he triumphed in Melbourne in 2009, he was repeatedly plagued by injuries at the first Grand Slam event of the year: In 2010, 2011, 2014, 2018 and 2021, the Spaniard could not physically draw on the full."

Seems very odd that he should be so injured at the AO at the START of the season and yet be relatively injury free at the USO at the END of the season (when players are more likely to be physically spent). :unsure:
 
@helterskelter ? :unsure:
(those antivamos haters always have a selective memory when it comes to the slams he won in the 70's)
I simply do not understand why some people are so bitter about poor old Bull's millennia-long unbeaten run. I note that that hater also fails to mention that Bull won Wimbledon 2020! Talk about a selective memory.

Actually, we should probably include his future wins, too. After all, it goes without saying that Bull will win the MCYGS in 2022, just as he always has done before. Why not acknowledge that now and put the wins in his trophy cabinet?
 

aldeayeah

Legend
Nadal's AO saga has been absolutely strange.

2010 injured
2011 - part injured.
2012 - Close in 5th set vs Novak
2014 - horrible injury in final he surely should have won vs his pigeon
2017- Super close in 5th set vs Fed
2018 - Part injured

Nadal has MASSIVELY UNDERPERFORMED at AO. If someone said in 2009, that Nadal would NEVER win another AO - who would have believed them?
I mean I wouldn't be too surprised, it's not like 2009 AO was a walk in the park.
 
It was so epic :D
It was - but I think we can see from it how he would struggle against Djokovic at his best on that court. Neither Verdasco nor even Federer has Djokovic's return of serve, nor his mental fortitude in big points. Federer probably ought to have won all of the first four sets of the 2009 final. I'm fairly confident that the Djokovic of 2012 would have won the match; probably in no more than four sets.
 
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