USO
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But in this era when comparing Fedal/Djoko the benchmark is by far the slams not weeks at number one. Just a reminder.
Weeks at no.1 are nowhere near close slams
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But in this era when comparing Fedal/Djoko the benchmark is by far the slams not weeks at number one. Just a reminder.
USO
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I don’t care about anything across tennis eras I just care about Fedal > Thirdwheelovic.
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GabeT
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remember a few months ago when you kept repeating Novak was done for? Remember what happened at the AO? remember who is the number 1 player in the world today?
Jus don't go disappearing again like you did last time
ahh, who am I kidding? of course you'll disappear
or maybe show up under another handle?I agree. Number one is important to prove consistency and the ranking system is needed for seeding. But it's too porous as a tool to determine who's the actual best. Fed just dropped out of the top 4 (I think?) and hasn't played in eons. Novak could ostensibly not play for who knows how long and still be ranked number one. Nadal's been in the Top 10 for years when he only played part of the time due to injury.
Rankings aren't really the most effective way to decide who's the best in the world at any given moment.
Winning Slams is still the easiest, most efficient way to decide who's the best over all.
Rankings aren't really the most effective way to decide who's the best in the world at any given moment.
Winning Slams is still the easiest, most efficient way to decide who's the best over all.
Jason Swerve
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Nonsense. There are no easy ways to determine anything.
USO
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The goalpost has always been the slams for Fedal and Thirdwheelovic, it’s Djokovic fans who are trying to change the goalpost.
GabeT
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it wasn't that long ago that many claimed Nadal's h2h win over Fed and Novak was a key metric or that Fed's weeks at number 1 was proof of GOATness. Goalposts move all the time.The goalpost has always been the slams for Fedal and Thirdwheelovic, it’s Djokovic fans who are trying to change the goalpost.
USO
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Free weeks because of Covid. Even now he skips Madrid and he gets to keep 500 points. Everyone knows that Federer has the legit record.
Masters titles Nadal will overtake him soon.
And after the US Open he will still be at 18 slams.
You're welcome.
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I'm not saying there are easy ways. But, to me, rankings serve to prove consistency over long periods, not necessarily who's best. And of course, it's certainly a factor for sure. An important one. But I think winning the toughest tourneys is a better barometer of greatness. So for Nole? His record 36 Masters mean more to me than his record weeks at No. 1.
Jason Swerve
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If you're taking that many slams over that long a period, you're having a #1 player anyway. Other than that, the only difference is two matches and two sets (ATP). Someone who dominates tournaments (probably including slams) week in and out'll 90% likely wear themselves out more than someone who wins all four slams.
Jokervich
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Federer fans always say "X is the true measure of success/being a GOAT" then when Djokovic beats that, they change it. No doubt when Djokovic breaks the slam record, Federer fans will come out with another metric that Djokovic must beat.The goalpost has always been the slams for Fedal and Thirdwheelovic, it’s Djokovic fans who are trying to change the goalpost.
BauerAlmeida
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Nobody cares about Borg weeks at #1 compared to Connors because the ranking back then was very different from what it is now and it was a joke. Connors got a lot of weeks at #1 than belonged to Borg and others that belonged to Vilas (1977). In fact, in 1977, Connors was the 3rd best player in the world and finished #1. It wasn't updated every Monday and had tons of flaws, most people didn't even care about the ATP ranking and the World Tennis magazine's was more important.
Weeks at #1 now are extremely important, it shows how long have you been the best player in the world. Being #1 is the ultimate achievement in tennis very likely, and being the one who did it the most is obviously huge.
Weeks at #1 now are extremely important, it shows how long have you been the best player in the world. Being #1 is the ultimate achievement in tennis very likely, and being the one who did it the most is obviously huge.
BauerAlmeida
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AO13
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For the Christ sake, just how many more threads... Look;
This is not direct reply to you, but to all you Djokovic fans - just because you adore Novak and don't like his anti-fans, to put it mildly, it doesn't mean Djokovic will win everything out of spite. Damn no, Djokovic won't have 21 Slams after USO 21. If he couldn't do it on rampage years in 2011 and 2016, he won't do it now at 34 years of age with Rafa and Roger playing still at the top, Lost Gen, Next Gen, Mid Gen and whatever the hell Gen aside.
Second part of the post is direct reply to @USO.
Brother, I get it that you're mainly trolling Novak's die hard fans, whilst there is a certain repulsion towards Djokovic. But this should eventually stop. While it seems that you spend majority of your day on trolling on forums and hating Novak, at the same time quality of the threads and posts is getting more lower and lower. Find a better way to spend your hours, they are precious for your life and they can for sure be more productive to you, than spending this much of time writting the same stuff in different ways, no matter how old are you. Don't find this offensive or whatever, this is just an honest advice from me to you.
Cheers.
This is not direct reply to you, but to all you Djokovic fans - just because you adore Novak and don't like his anti-fans, to put it mildly, it doesn't mean Djokovic will win everything out of spite. Damn no, Djokovic won't have 21 Slams after USO 21. If he couldn't do it on rampage years in 2011 and 2016, he won't do it now at 34 years of age with Rafa and Roger playing still at the top, Lost Gen, Next Gen, Mid Gen and whatever the hell Gen aside.
Second part of the post is direct reply to @USO.
Brother, I get it that you're mainly trolling Novak's die hard fans, whilst there is a certain repulsion towards Djokovic. But this should eventually stop. While it seems that you spend majority of your day on trolling on forums and hating Novak, at the same time quality of the threads and posts is getting more lower and lower. Find a better way to spend your hours, they are precious for your life and they can for sure be more productive to you, than spending this much of time writting the same stuff in different ways, no matter how old are you. Don't find this offensive or whatever, this is just an honest advice from me to you.
Cheers.
USO
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Excellent post. They are completely crazy, arrogant and blind with their predictions and they need to stop worshipping Djokovic as if they are married to him. Thank you for bringing them back down to Earth!
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Jason Swerve
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Jokervich
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He had the luxury of someone beating Nadal early in the tournament. Federer fans should erect a statue of Soderling and worship him for all eternity, because if it wasn't for him Federer would never have won the French Open.Federer didn’t have the luxury of Nadal being injured at the FO and withdrawing.
Anyway not sure why I'm giving this troll attention. This is like arguing with a 5 year old - "yeah but he did that, no he didn't do that, waaaah waaaah now give me what I want!!!".
USO
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One look at your profile picture and it’s obvious that you are the definition of a troll.
BauerAlmeida
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USO
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I would have beaten Nadal in 2015. Stop bragging about that win, it was the complete worst version of Nadal ever.
RelentlessAttack
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There’s no point moving the goalposts, Djokovic will just break whatever record you move on to next
USO
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Keep dreaming.
BauerAlmeida
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BGod
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Surprised my last post here was so brief. Borg's 11-8 edge over Connors/Lendl was 37%. Nadal as it stands now is 11% edge, let's give him the French already and it's still 16%. All while Novak is 50% ahead in weeks and 5>0 at the WTF.
Like common, it's not really close to the Borg-Connors scenario.
Like common, it's not really close to the Borg-Connors scenario.
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Tennis_Freak99
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Well i guess once Novak overcomes slam record the next thesis will be that all titles are with equal value,they are far more important than slams ans weeks at number 1 and the person with most overall is the GOAT.Just that ******** Rolex commercial.Hypocrites !!!
Tennisfan339
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I agree with the OP, the number of Grand Slams is the most important factor, the one all tennis fans will look at when they're retired, the one experts will put front and center in the tennis books. The number of Grand Slams and of course its distribution. I will tend to favor someone with 3-2-2-3 over someone with 9-0-1-0.
But, the weeks and years end #1 is the 2nd most determining. It shows who was the most dominant player ever and how many years that person was the best player in the world at the end of the season. If 2, 3 or more players have the same number of Grand Slams, we will look at these numbers to determine who is better. Today both Wawrinka and Murray have won 3 Grand Slams but I consider Murray a better player because he was number #1 for almost 1 year and won more OG, WTF and Masters. To be honest even if Wawrinka won 4 and Murray 3, I would still favor Murray. If player A has 1 Grand Slam, 2 WTF, 1 gold medal, 10 Masters and 100 weeks at number #1 and player B has 2 Grand Slams and 0-0-0-0-0, I would still pick player A.
But, the weeks and years end #1 is the 2nd most determining. It shows who was the most dominant player ever and how many years that person was the best player in the world at the end of the season. If 2, 3 or more players have the same number of Grand Slams, we will look at these numbers to determine who is better. Today both Wawrinka and Murray have won 3 Grand Slams but I consider Murray a better player because he was number #1 for almost 1 year and won more OG, WTF and Masters. To be honest even if Wawrinka won 4 and Murray 3, I would still favor Murray. If player A has 1 Grand Slam, 2 WTF, 1 gold medal, 10 Masters and 100 weeks at number #1 and player B has 2 Grand Slams and 0-0-0-0-0, I would still pick player A.
GabeT
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I tried to warn him
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