Djokovicfan4life
Legend
Wait a second, somebody actually DID the workouts discussed in a thread? Wow, I guess I was wrong about this section, haha.
Weightlifters, help a skinny guy get big
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porchdoor
Rookie
Hey guys, new update.
So, I'm now at about 9 months into working our seriously, and something has gone terribly wrong. Hint: in 9 months of training, I've gone from 155-170lbs bodyweight.
What the hell happened? I started off pretty scrawny, and now I've got this pooch. I mean, I've made great gains in my workouts, but I just have this damn pooch now.
I'm thinking its my diet. Before working out, I'd probably have about 2 bowls of rice at dinner/whole day. Now I'm eating probably 5-6 bowls for the day. Let me lay out what I've been eating recently so you guys can give me some negative feedback:
Breakfast: Total cereal, egg and toast, water or orange juice
Lunch: either sub sandwich, tuna fish sandwich, or leftovers from dinner the night before
Dinner: rice, vegetables, some sort of meat
Eat dinner again later at night.
I also sprinkle in snacks throughout the day. And yes, they are crappy snacks like chips. I also take creatine and protein supplements. I first used CellTech Hardcore. After the Hydroxycut scare, I switched to 6 Star Creatine. Now I'm using Cell-Mass. I was using ON 100% Whey, and now I'm using 100% Whey Pro Amino (I switched because the Pro Amino claims 45g of protein per scoop).
So how crappy is my diet? Or is there something else that's causing my pooch? I'm not fat, I just have this belly. But I'm scared it will turn into becoming me being fat. The rest of my body is looking more and more fantastic, by the way.
So, I'm now at about 9 months into working our seriously, and something has gone terribly wrong. Hint: in 9 months of training, I've gone from 155-170lbs bodyweight.
What the hell happened? I started off pretty scrawny, and now I've got this pooch. I mean, I've made great gains in my workouts, but I just have this damn pooch now.
I'm thinking its my diet. Before working out, I'd probably have about 2 bowls of rice at dinner/whole day. Now I'm eating probably 5-6 bowls for the day. Let me lay out what I've been eating recently so you guys can give me some negative feedback:
Breakfast: Total cereal, egg and toast, water or orange juice
Lunch: either sub sandwich, tuna fish sandwich, or leftovers from dinner the night before
Dinner: rice, vegetables, some sort of meat
Eat dinner again later at night.
I also sprinkle in snacks throughout the day. And yes, they are crappy snacks like chips. I also take creatine and protein supplements. I first used CellTech Hardcore. After the Hydroxycut scare, I switched to 6 Star Creatine. Now I'm using Cell-Mass. I was using ON 100% Whey, and now I'm using 100% Whey Pro Amino (I switched because the Pro Amino claims 45g of protein per scoop).
So how crappy is my diet? Or is there something else that's causing my pooch? I'm not fat, I just have this belly. But I'm scared it will turn into becoming me being fat. The rest of my body is looking more and more fantastic, by the way.
After a bulk you usually gain a little BF. Its normal for many people. You need to spread out your meals more if you can. Try and eat more balanced meals and definately stay away from those chips
. Make sure your getting your veggies / good fats. I wouldn't take creatine but thats just my opinion. It doesn't help in the long run. Don't eat too many carbs before bed if you want to lose fat. Just eat clean, frequently, balanced, and follow it up with cardio and you will lose BF. Its pretty much impossible to lose BF while gaining weight so don't try it. Same goes the other way around.
I know you gave a very brief look at your diet but change things up. Have beans, nuts, potatoes, rices, fruits . . . dont have rice every day is what i mean. Try potatoes the next day.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
I think it has been covered well in here. But I have been called buff enough times to agree with Rickson. You need to do the compound lifts and push yourself to lift heavy. 10 reps to me is a lot. I like to warmup with 10 reps but then add weights and go to 5 reps on the compunds. Even if you want to watch your arms and be safe, find a heavy weight that you can rep out 5 times and build up to it and do 3 sets of that. For me, I like to rep 225-245 for 3 sets of 5. It's not super heavy, but you will feel it. Same with Deads. I do not go AS heavy as before because my elbow was giving me problems. But I always ADD weight and never pyramid back down. On every exercise I do.
I do the push /pull/ legs workout week.
I do the push /pull/ legs workout week.
You need to have a better diet, cut out all process foods. Eat lean meats (skinless chicken, turkey, etc.), no more simple carbs (white bread, or rice), and cut all junk food & sodas.
Here is a skeleton sample of a daily diet:
morning: protein shake w.(low fat or 1% milk), egg whites, whole wheat toast, turkey bacon etc.
morning snack: lite cheese stick, orgainc peanut butter, wheat crackers, apple or fruit
lunch: chicken salad w. lite oil dressing, protein shake w. water
afternoon snack: protein bar, or low fat greek yogart
dinner: brown rice, grill tuna or salmon( wild), 2 servings fo vegetables(steamed)
Rickson
G.O.A.T.
The above diet looks to be too low carb for the op to handle. Remember, he's eating 5 bowls of white rice and this is not a habit you can change overnight. Porch wants to gain weight, not lose it, but unfortunately, he's fallen into the bad weight gain trap which happens to almost everyone on a caloric surplus. Gaining nothing but lean muscle is not an easy task. Even pro bodybuilders bulk up first by gaining a combination of muscle and fat. It's a 2 part series for bodybuilders: bulk first and cut afterwards. Welcome to the world of bodybuilding, porch.
If he wants to eat more carbs, I would suggest sticking to all complex carbohydrates.
Rickson
G.O.A.T.
You definitely get more fiber from brown carbs than from white carbs, but overall, carbs are not the enemy. Excess calories are the enemy. Porch seemed to go overboard in his quest to gain size. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Gaining bodyfat is easy, gaining muscle is not so easy.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
I always eat brown rice before I lift or play tennis. I would reccomend that as a good energy source.
Carb is not the enemy, just eat better foods. Lean meats, and get rid of "empty" calories.
I would even drop the juices if you do drink them. Have fruits instead. A lot of "pure" juices are actually concentrated shots with tons of sugar. Fruits are good but not too many.
As rick said why don't you just go through a cutting cycle?? Take a couple months and drop 10 lbs. (the proper way)
As rick said why don't you just go through a cutting cycle?? Take a couple months and drop 10 lbs. (the proper way)
TheFuture101
New User
Would it be smarter to do abs monday, wed, friday instead of just once a week? I mean its the most used muscele for tennis
Federer_Sampras
New User
Don't know if this was mentioned, but definitely have a broader workout than just your chest and core. Work on every muscle group not just a specific part. Celltech and Nitrotech are your best friends for muscle gains. G
maverick66
Hall of Fame
it always amazes me that people fall for the advertisements. Because Jay Cutler and Ronnie Coleman are on the ad that must be what did it?
maverick66
Hall of Fame
im a big supplement guy but it always amazes me that people think that those two are amazing because they see the ad. On top of that how many people are working hard enough to require alot of the supplements they are on? I doubt anyone on here asking for a workout program is really working that hard. Most hard workers i have ever met in the gym will ask guys working out with them or read books recommended to them.
Federer_Sampras
New User
All I'm saying is that if you combine those two with a proper workout and nutrition plan, results will be seen. It might not work for everyone, but I'm living breathing proof that these supplements have legitimately allowed me to gain weight and strength. I used to be very skinny and have seen massive gains using those two supplements.
maverick66
Hall of Fame
I can say that with a million supplements. Those two just advertised very well. I dont recommend there products as i got an awful stomach when i took them.
they take a special sauce that I dont know the name of. I am sure someone around here knows the name of the stuff they take but i guarantee you dont buy it at a gnc.
WildVolley
Legend
Skinny guys who want to get big and don't gain much weight usually lift too often and eat too little.
I'm a skinny guy who can put on muscle rather quickly if I try. But I have to force feed myself more than I'm comfortable eating and I need to take days off between my lifting workouts.
I'm a skinny guy who can put on muscle rather quickly if I try. But I have to force feed myself more than I'm comfortable eating and I need to take days off between my lifting workouts.
cncretecwbo
Semi-Pro
so you had "massive gains" from the creatine, protein and sugar. rock on
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porchdoor
Rookie
Update
Just thought I'd let you guys see my progression. It's a small progression, but I'm still proud of it. It sucks, cause as motivated as I am to work out, I often have to put it on hold to study for exams.
This is during my early workouts when I really didn't know what I was doing. I was in the 140-150lb range.
As you can see, very skinny. Very little muscle, very little bodyfat. My arms seem out of proportion from the rest of my body. And I had a nice flat stomach. This is a pose right after my workout, me flexing as hard as I can. So I was actually even more skinny than this post-workout swole.
This is me now. My chest actually sticks out now, which is great. Arms are in better proportion with the rest of my body. Shoulders are a little more broad. Stomach not as flat as it used to be. Washboard abs would be nice, but that is not my main goal for right now. This is taken a good few hours after a workout, so this is how you would see me day to day. No flexing.
This is me right after a workout. Much more masculine. I'm within 160-167lbs on any given day currently. Flexing.
So how's my progression? Is it moving too slow, or am I right on target? The timespan is about 9 months so far. So far, I know I have to work on my diet. Can't really see in the pics, but at certain angles my stomach looks like a 40-year-old woman's thigh (cottage city).
When I first started out, I was on Cell-Tech Hardcore creatine and ON 100% Whey. Now I'm on Cell-Mass and 100% Pro Amino protein.
Let me know what you guys think!
Just thought I'd let you guys see my progression. It's a small progression, but I'm still proud of it. It sucks, cause as motivated as I am to work out, I often have to put it on hold to study for exams.
This is during my early workouts when I really didn't know what I was doing. I was in the 140-150lb range.
As you can see, very skinny. Very little muscle, very little bodyfat. My arms seem out of proportion from the rest of my body. And I had a nice flat stomach. This is a pose right after my workout, me flexing as hard as I can. So I was actually even more skinny than this post-workout swole.
This is me now. My chest actually sticks out now, which is great. Arms are in better proportion with the rest of my body. Shoulders are a little more broad. Stomach not as flat as it used to be. Washboard abs would be nice, but that is not my main goal for right now. This is taken a good few hours after a workout, so this is how you would see me day to day. No flexing.
This is me right after a workout. Much more masculine. I'm within 160-167lbs on any given day currently. Flexing.
So how's my progression? Is it moving too slow, or am I right on target? The timespan is about 9 months so far. So far, I know I have to work on my diet. Can't really see in the pics, but at certain angles my stomach looks like a 40-year-old woman's thigh (cottage city).
When I first started out, I was on Cell-Tech Hardcore creatine and ON 100% Whey. Now I'm on Cell-Mass and 100% Pro Amino protein.
Let me know what you guys think!
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Rickson
G.O.A.T.
You definitely look fuller, but your gain is not pure muscle by a long shot. Your bodyfat has gone up quite a bit, but it happens more times than not during weight gain so don't worry too much. If you're looking to gain nothing but muscle mass, you need to gain weight at an extremely slow rate so if you're happy with a little higher bf while gaining a little more muscle, you're on a good pace.
porchdoor
Rookie
Yeah, I understand. I acknowledge my bodyfat has gone WAY up. But I"ve resigned to the fact that I don't have the discipline to try and gain pure muscle. I don't mind a little bit of fat, but I have gained a lot. I still have a lot of work to do, as you can see.
porchdoor
Rookie
Update:
What's wrong with my chest?? Why won't it grow proportionately with the rest of my body? I'm pretty sure I'm doing everything right.
Right now, I'm doing 4 sets flat bench, 4 sets flat bench with close-grip, 4 sets incline, and 3-4 sets dips for my chest. For flat bench, I usually hit 9, 6, 5, 4.
At the flat bench, I'm hitting 150lbs. At the beginning of the semester I was hitting 135 at around the same reps. So my strength is increasing I guess.
I'm thinking I am doing things right (I am increasing my benches), but because I started out so weak my chest is out-of-proportionately smaller, but is still growing nonetheless. Maybe this is how a chest is supposed to look like when hitting only 150lbs (I know this isn't the best pose for a chest flex)? My goal by the end of the semester is to hit 215 6 times.
Give me any kind of input.
2/18/10: Weighing 164lbs.
What's wrong with my chest?? Why won't it grow proportionately with the rest of my body? I'm pretty sure I'm doing everything right.
Right now, I'm doing 4 sets flat bench, 4 sets flat bench with close-grip, 4 sets incline, and 3-4 sets dips for my chest. For flat bench, I usually hit 9, 6, 5, 4.
At the flat bench, I'm hitting 150lbs. At the beginning of the semester I was hitting 135 at around the same reps. So my strength is increasing I guess.
I'm thinking I am doing things right (I am increasing my benches), but because I started out so weak my chest is out-of-proportionately smaller, but is still growing nonetheless. Maybe this is how a chest is supposed to look like when hitting only 150lbs (I know this isn't the best pose for a chest flex)? My goal by the end of the semester is to hit 215 6 times.
Give me any kind of input.
2/18/10: Weighing 164lbs.
Look at your form and make sure you go deep with the dips. (Not so much with the flat bench, that could impinge the shoulders.)
Make sure you hit the chest at least twice a week. Preferably 3 times a week. You can add a "light" day for one of those days.
Aesthetically, you want to emphasize the upper pecs (so that your pecs don't get "droopy.") But that's also a much smaller muscle, and so it comes around more slowly.
Make sure you hit the chest at least twice a week. Preferably 3 times a week. You can add a "light" day for one of those days.
Aesthetically, you want to emphasize the upper pecs (so that your pecs don't get "droopy.") But that's also a much smaller muscle, and so it comes around more slowly.
Like tricky said it takes time. Everyone is different and certain muslces respond better for certain people.
I don't know if I would hit it 3 times a week . . . 2 times at the most imo. You need time to recover. Depends on the type of training you do too . . .
There are a lot of supporting muscles to bench as well. Your arms look big but you back / core / tri's might be lacking. Hard to judge from the hulk pose.
Make sure you hit all areas of the chest. Dont forget flies (dumbell or cable). You are getting stronger so I would just keep working at it. Its all about intensity so if you can grab a spot to get that extra rep out. Don't get bogged down by numbers (of reps).
Edit: just saw the close grip part of your routine. If you do tri's / chest in the same day then you should leave the tri exersizes for after. That way you tri's won't burn out before your chest does.
What is your current split?
I don't know if I would hit it 3 times a week . . . 2 times at the most imo. You need time to recover. Depends on the type of training you do too . . .
There are a lot of supporting muscles to bench as well. Your arms look big but you back / core / tri's might be lacking. Hard to judge from the hulk pose
. Make sure you hit all areas of the chest. Dont forget flies (dumbell or cable). You are getting stronger so I would just keep working at it. Its all about intensity so if you can grab a spot to get that extra rep out. Don't get bogged down by numbers (of reps).
Edit: just saw the close grip part of your routine. If you do tri's / chest in the same day then you should leave the tri exersizes for after. That way you tri's won't burn out before your chest does.
What is your current split?
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porchdoor
Rookie
You need a leg day. Frankly I think its best to work out each muscle group once a week (unless your doing hit or something like that). Especially for ectomorphs (naturally skinny). For us its best to workout hard and fast. With plenty recovery time. My workouts are never over 45 minutes long. I would also change that split. Working 2 major muscle gruops and tri's is a big day. But thats up to you.
When I go through HIT cycles I only workout 2X a week for 21 minutes.
Tofuspeedstar
Banned
Squat like your life depended on it.
I wouldn't say I am an expert either.. However I have been working out for alot of years and have worked out with a top coach recently..
I don't like your overall routine - you need to simplify massively.
Many would point to the 5x5 routine. I don't think you need to be that rigid. But the general principal is important - fewer exercises per day done precisels.
But if you look at some of these routines you will see the general principal - fewer exercises (But more compound) and heavier weights..
I second the idea of a 4 day split for an aggressive workout program. You can put more energy into each workout this way and really concentrate on correct form while keeping track of your progress.
A.......................................B:
Squat 5x5..........................Squat 5x5
Bench Press 5x5................Overhead Press 5x5
Inverted Rows 3xF.............Deadlift 1x5
Push-ups 3xF.....................Pull-ups/Chin-ups 3xF
Reverse Crunch 3x12.........Prone Bridges 3x30sec
That's the stronglifts program - I personally don't use that exact workout but its a good deal better then the one you are using IMHO.
For example I don't squat that much - but I deadlift more and I also use like lunges (as I think its an excellent movement for tennis) but its not useful for mass building at all.. I much prefer dumbell presses to bench presses etc.
Then again quite honestly I care little for 'adding bulk" its not necessary for tennis. I felt like this when I was younger too and its wrong headed. Worry about increasing strength or improving athletic performance..
I'd add that I believe a dynamic warmup - and a full stretching routine after each workout is important for injury prevention and better results. Yes you can 'get away' with no warmup and no stretching for many years but you will eventually pay huge price as your body starts to become unbalanced and rigid with regards to injury.. So you can see how doing fewer exercises can really help - otherwise with a workout like yours your going to spending the whole day in the gym. Truthfully I think your kind of workout can benefit someone on steroids. <g> But for normal indviduals its terrible. Its like a bad version of one of Arnold's old workouts..
I don't like your overall routine - you need to simplify massively.
Many would point to the 5x5 routine. I don't think you need to be that rigid. But the general principal is important - fewer exercises per day done precisels.
But if you look at some of these routines you will see the general principal - fewer exercises (But more compound) and heavier weights..
I second the idea of a 4 day split for an aggressive workout program. You can put more energy into each workout this way and really concentrate on correct form while keeping track of your progress.
A.......................................B:
Squat 5x5..........................Squat 5x5
Bench Press 5x5................Overhead Press 5x5
Inverted Rows 3xF.............Deadlift 1x5
Push-ups 3xF.....................Pull-ups/Chin-ups 3xF
Reverse Crunch 3x12.........Prone Bridges 3x30sec
That's the stronglifts program - I personally don't use that exact workout but its a good deal better then the one you are using IMHO.
For example I don't squat that much - but I deadlift more and I also use like lunges (as I think its an excellent movement for tennis) but its not useful for mass building at all.. I much prefer dumbell presses to bench presses etc.
Then again quite honestly I care little for 'adding bulk" its not necessary for tennis. I felt like this when I was younger too and its wrong headed. Worry about increasing strength or improving athletic performance..
I'd add that I believe a dynamic warmup - and a full stretching routine after each workout is important for injury prevention and better results. Yes you can 'get away' with no warmup and no stretching for many years but you will eventually pay huge price as your body starts to become unbalanced and rigid with regards to injury.. So you can see how doing fewer exercises can really help - otherwise with a workout like yours your going to spending the whole day in the gym. Truthfully I think your kind of workout can benefit someone on steroids. <g> But for normal indviduals its terrible. Its like a bad version of one of Arnold's old workouts..
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+1... solid info and very well said. I can attest to the stretching part too.
Slazenger07
Banned
Pretty good advice, but id change a few things. You can lift more than 3 times a week, and imo you should be lifting 4-5 with a good split routine.
2 sets per exercise is not the general rule, it should be 3 sets per exercise most of the time, because it has been shown in studies that 3 sets of an exercise causes the most increase in testosterone levels. (which fuels muscle growth as you may know)
2 sets per exercise isnt bad and Id recommend doing this as a change up but 8/10 you should do 3 sets per exercise.
You can train for up to an hour, but after that you need to kick yourself out, I never train more than 1 hour at a time.
Lift as heavy as you can with good form, feeling the target muscle doing the work, aim for 6-12 reps.
If you want to stay lean and get the 'cut' look do what I do and eat 6-7 smaller meals a day to keep your metabolism up while still gaining muscle mass. If you want to be bigger/bulkier eat 3-4 big meals a day, as this will slow down your metabolism, allowing you to gain more mass faster, but on the down side you will gain more fat too.
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As others have said, what works for one person may not work for another. But, in my younger days I worked as a personal trainer and entered some local lifting contests - unfortunately, I'm more qualified to discuss this stuff than I am tennis. Anyway, whatever you're doing - EAT/DRINK PROTEIN! Lots of it. A good diet is absolutely crucial to strength training. Also, and I don't know enough about you to get real specific, but this works for anyone: (1) hit the squat rack; (2) learn to love the deadlift; (3) simplify the workout. Remember, you'll see lots of guys with skinny legs and big chest; you will hardly ever see a guy with strong legs and strong back with no chest.
Anyway, whatever you're doing - EAT/DRINK PROTEIN! Lots of it. A good diet is absolutely crucial to strength training. Also, and I don't know enough about you to get real specific, but this works for anyone: (1) hit the squat rack; (2) learn to love the deadlift; (3) simplify the workout. Remember, you'll see lots of guys with skinny legs and big chest; you will hardly ever see a guy with strong legs and strong back with no chest.Sleepstream
Semi-Pro
This is incorrect.
I'm with Sleepstream on this one - it may work for you, but I would not accept this as a general rule.
As others have said, what works for one person may not work for another. But, in my younger days I worked as a personal trainer and entered some local lifting contests - unfortunately, I'm more qualified to discuss this stuff than I am tennis.
You see guys with huge upper bodies in general and no legs all the time. Deadlift isn't a very popular exercise despite its mass building reputation.
What do you mean by "good diet?" You can gain all the strength you want eating like crap.
maverick66
Hall of Fame
Deadlift isnt popular to because most commercial gyms frown upon it. Apparently it intimidates the other members so they dont like people doing it. They would rather have the machine people that never make a gain but pay their dues and keep coming back. Makes sense from a business look but sucks from a fitness one.
r2473
G.O.A.T.
Deads and Oly lifts are prohibited in most gyms.
I lift in the University gym (with the students, not the athletes). They are not allowed. I lift in the morning (7am) and the gym is generally pretty empty (especially now over the summer). The manager saw me doing deads one day and forced me to stop. I spoke with her and she does allow me to do them as long as I don't draw any attention to myself or drop the weight. That sort of sucks because it is pretty hard to control heavy weight back to ground without letting it drop some (it is also fairly dangerous). I was forced to drop my weight down considerably to train the muscles I needed to do "negative deadlifts". I'm back do doing decent weight, but it took some time.
I called around to several other gyms in the area and they all said no deads or oly lifts.
spacediver
Hall of Fame
I can't imagine working out in a gym that didnt' allow deadlifts. That's insanity. Perhaps hotel gyms or something I can understand, due to space and equipment limitations, but any self respecting gym should allow it.
r2473
G.O.A.T.
What gyms don't want is people banging weights. Normally when you do deads and olys, you will "drop" the weight to the floor. I don't mean that you just let go of it, but you generally don't lightly (noiselessly) set it down on the floor either.
Also, I think there is a greater chance of people getting hurt on these exercises if their form is less than perfect (which is very often the case with most lifters).
The day I got in trouble, I was going too heavy and basically dropping the weight to the floor. I was feeling a little weak that day and probably should have taken the day off. It really was all my fault. I'm just lucky that she lets me still do them. Her and her assistants were watching me hard the first few times back so I had to be extra gentle.
Also, I think there is a greater chance of people getting hurt on these exercises if their form is less than perfect (which is very often the case with most lifters).
The day I got in trouble, I was going too heavy and basically dropping the weight to the floor. I was feeling a little weak that day and probably should have taken the day off. It really was all my fault. I'm just lucky that she lets me still do them. Her and her assistants were watching me hard the first few times back so I had to be extra gentle.
rjg007
Semi-Pro
To get big take some protein shakes after your workout, they really do work, but make sure its a good make such as Maximuscle, then you know that you are not just pumping crap into your body.
Most of this has been said already but squats, bench press, etc are all good but I would add in pull ups. A great multi-muscle exercise and gets you great back muscles. You want to make sure that you do not become front heavy because you will start to hunch over as your chest muscles pull in but there is nothing on your back to counteract this. Never use machines they do not get you big, free weights work your balance and core and also more than one muscles in the muscle group you are targetting.
And the Bruce Lee core exercise mentioned by the OP is called a candlestick and you need to have super strong core to do it properly. Its currently in my tennis programme and I cant get my legs to point straight up while holding my back steady.
It is hard work getting big and you just need to stick at it and it will eventually happen.
Most of this has been said already but squats, bench press, etc are all good but I would add in pull ups. A great multi-muscle exercise and gets you great back muscles. You want to make sure that you do not become front heavy because you will start to hunch over as your chest muscles pull in but there is nothing on your back to counteract this. Never use machines they do not get you big, free weights work your balance and core and also more than one muscles in the muscle group you are targetting.
And the Bruce Lee core exercise mentioned by the OP is called a candlestick and you need to have super strong core to do it properly. Its currently in my tennis programme and I cant get my legs to point straight up while holding my back steady.
It is hard work getting big and you just need to stick at it and it will eventually happen.
maverick66
Hall of Fame
They claim it scares the female members. That makes me laugh but whatever. I know a few gym owners and they claim its all about the money. They cant make enough money off of real lifters but can make a fortune off of soccer moms and older women that come in and sign up for every little class they offer. They will do anything not to scare these women off including throwing out stronger guys.
90% of the stuff posted in this section is non-tennis. I hate to break it to you but most people that work out do so to look better. It doesnt really matter either way. I do agree that there has been a little to much Bodybuilding.com vibe around here lately but thats only really one poster that is causing that.
r2473
G.O.A.T.
I have to agree that this is the main reason.
Lol thats funny. I can see why though. They are not going to want to work out next to a guy deadlifting 400 lbs and slamming the weight on the ground. I don't blame them.
I can't stand some of the soccer moms in the gym . Seems like so many just lack common sense. Like not moving a few steps back so people can get in front and take free weights . . . A simple concept.
I can't stand some of the soccer moms in the gym . Seems like so many just lack common sense. Like not moving a few steps back so people can get in front and take free weights . . . A simple concept.
