Weiss Cannon New Strings

TinTin 1

Professional
Yes, I think you have something here. Red ghost is so powerful I heard, if put on crosses it will provide that power whereas UC will provide that spin in mains. but Would having 2 different Gauges like one is 1.23 mm and the other is 1.18 mm give you problems ?
I think it will be a great combo if you don't mind the color :)
 

TinTin 1

Professional
Yes, I think you have something here. Red ghost is so powerful I heard, if put on crosses it will provide that power whereas UC will provide that spin in mains. but Would having 2 different Gauges like one is 1.23 mm and the other is 1.18 mm give you problems ?
I just spoke to the US distributer of WC and he loves the combo of UC mains/ RG crosses.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
This mirrors my experience with Ultra Cable (strung at 55/53 in a DR98).
The tension drop off, indicated by noticeable loss in snap-back (though no notching at all), was very pronounced.
Not impressed.
Yep, I played for two hours with the new frame strung 2lbs tighter and it hardly made a difference. The tension loss was noticeable and by the end the strings had stopped moving back properly.

In short: if you want what Ultra Cable claims to be it's simple: buy Black 5 Edge. It'll have about the same spin (when used as a hybrid as I did with both), have much better tension maintenance and playing lifespan.

please ask him to make the Ultracable in thinner gauge like 1.12 or 1.18 mm
If they made a thinner version of Ultra Cable I doubt it would resolve the current flaw of tension loss. Black 5 Edge already does what you want, and it's longer lasting too.

That said, if you want a softer than you'd expect poly which gives lots of spin for a few hours than Ultra Cable would be perfect.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
I just spoke to the US distributer of WC and he loves the combo of UC mains/ RG crosses.
It's always dependent on how they play. Maybe he's a 3.5 level player in which case his experience is basically irrelevant to players who hit harder and/or with lots of topspin.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
The lab data indicates a huge tension loss, so either a higher tension followed by letting it sit for days, or tensioning it for a longer duration, or doing some major prestretching may help.
Yep. This shows where people can be easily mislead. I found the tension loss to be quite significant, but the company who makes is said it has tension maintenance comparable to Black 5 Edge - which is absolutely not the case, not even close.
 

TinTin 1

Professional
It's always dependent on how they play. Maybe he's a 3.5 level player in which case his experience is basically irrelevant to players who hit harder and/or with lots of topspin.
He's a 4.5. But strings a lot for top juniors in Atlanta and some pros. He is having good feedback on the combo. I will try it next week.
 

romdj

Rookie
Well, I thought of ordering a set or two, but reading this about tension maintenance is rather prohibiting, especially since I was going to put it on a 99S. Any suggestions on either a similar string or hybrid setup?
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Well, I thought of ordering a set or two, but reading this about tension maintenance is rather prohibiting, especially since I was going to put it on a 99S. Any suggestions on either a similar string or hybrid setup?
According to lab data, Tecnifibre Black Code 4S 17g should have a similar spin level with far better tension maintenance.

Well, go with 16g for your 99S. Just watch out for the added stiffness of the 16g version if you have a sensitive arm.
 
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Minion

Hall of Fame
I've had UC in my PD2015 and my IGPP for more than a month, and I've not noticed any significant tension loss. My regular hitting partner plays with a G-Rad Pro (the horror) and strung that with UC also - he didn't experience any noticeable tension loss either. Definitely not nearly as bad as B5E. With B5E, although it is a great string, within a week the string is useless and you can feel the tension loss.
 

Roland G

Hall of Fame
Well, I thought of ordering a set or two, but reading this about tension maintenance is rather prohibiting, especially since I was going to put it on a 99S. Any suggestions on either a similar string or hybrid setup?
99S + Ultra Cable = INSANE spin.
Worth a try I'd say.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
I've had UC in my PD2015 and my IGPP for more than a month, and I've not noticed any significant tension loss. My regular hitting partner plays with a G-Rad Pro (the horror) and strung that with UC also - he didn't experience any noticeable tension loss either. Definitely not nearly as bad as B5E. With B5E, although it is a great string, within a week the string is useless and you can feel the tension loss.
OK... I've tried UC strung on the same day as B5E (which I've used for ages) each week for the last two weeks and both B5E frames are still perfect to use while both UC frames were done after only 4-5 hours of play. Even the TW ratings show UC as having ridiculously high tension loss so I'm not sure how your experience is the complete opposite unless there's some other variable at play.

There is no doubt to me at all that B5E has significantly better tension maintenance and, more importantly, playing life curve than UC. B5E plays much better once it ages - even well into when it starts not sliding back into place.

Note: not that these are definitive numbers - Weiss Cannon told me that UC was stiffer than B5E but the ratings (altho arguably flawed) say otherwise. I also don't but it's that much more spinny either. It's good but not miles better than B5E in that department.

 

romdj

Rookie
99S + Ultra Cable = INSANE spin.
Worth a try I'd say.
That's the plan!
Have a game tomorrow and need to restring, I think this one will be for next time as tension maintenance really seems to vary quite a bit in the first hours...
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Yep, I played for two hours with the new frame strung 2lbs tighter and it hardly made a difference. The tension loss was noticeable and by the end the strings had stopped moving back properly.

In short: if you want what Ultra Cable claims to be it's simple: buy Black 5 Edge. It'll have about the same spin (when used as a hybrid as I did with both), have much better tension maintenance and playing lifespan.


If they made a thinner version of Ultra Cable I doubt it would resolve the current flaw of tension loss. Black 5 Edge already does what you want, and it's longer lasting too.

That said, if you want a softer than you'd expect poly which gives lots of spin for a few hours than Ultra Cable would be perfect.
Tension loss does not matter to me. I cut all my Poly out in 5-6 hours of play only. Ultracable seem to have decent power for poly with massive spin. I heard Black 5 edge is very low powered, I don't like that.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
According to lab data, Tecnifibre Black Code 4S 17g should have a similar spin level with far better tension maintenance.

Well, go with 16g for your 99S. Just watch out for the added stiffness of the 16g version if you have a sensitive arm.
True, there. Black code 4S does have similar spin level, maybe slightly more. but it is really BAD on the arm and shoulder. I played for only like 4 hours and my arm was killing me with Black code 4S.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
OK... I've tried UC strung on the same day as B5E (which I've used for ages) each week for the last two weeks and both B5E frames are still perfect to use while both UC frames were done after only 4-5 hours of play. Even the TW ratings show UC as having ridiculously high tension loss so I'm not sure how your experience is the complete opposite unless there's some other variable at play.

There is no doubt to me at all that B5E has significantly better tension maintenance and, more importantly, playing life curve than UC. B5E plays much better once it ages - even well into when it starts not sliding back into place.

Note: not that these are definitive numbers - Weiss Cannon told me that UC was stiffer than B5E but the ratings (altho arguably flawed) say otherwise. I also don't but it's that much more spinny either. It's good but not miles better than B5E in that department.

LOL,, Ultra cable blows away black 5 edge in spin potential...........
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
True, there. Black code 4S does have similar spin level, maybe slightly more. but it is really BAD on the arm and shoulder. I played for only like 4 hours and my arm was killing me with Black code 4S.
Adjust tension accordingly. I was part of the TW playtest and found it very comfortable. Since it doesn't lose much tension, you can string it much lower.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Adjust tension accordingly. I was part of the TW playtest and found it very comfortable. Since it doesn't lose much tension, you can string it much lower.
I strung it like 52 lbs. anyway, it also had very low power. lower power than Ultracable. I didn't like that
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
LOL,, Ultra cable blows away black 5 edge in spin potential...........
For about 4 hours tops, but B5E edge is playable and spinny for another 10 hours. Even then the spin potential difference isn't that big. B5E is a beast when done as a hybrid to liven it up a bit. Of course it's pretty dead if done as a full bed but, really, 99% of players are wasting their time using full beds of poly - they haven't got close to enough racquet head speed to enjoy the benefits of ultra-spinny polys.

To get comparable play out of UC you'd need to string it maybe 5 lbs tighter than B5E, in which case you lose both power and comfort. UC doesn't play very stiff despite what the US dist says and you have to bump up the tension to get any longevity out of it - even then I still had problems with it after a few hours despite stringing it 2lbs tighter than any other poly I've used for a couple of years. That makes comparing it to B5E pointless. UC is a short-life spin-oriented polys. B5E by contrast is one of the best all-round spin-oriented polys and also has an extremely long playing life compared to the vast majority of polys.

If you like want what UC has to offer try Double AR Diablo too - it's also good for two hours of use.
 
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mikeler

Moderator
LOL,, Ultra cable blows away black 5 edge in spin potential...........
No way does UC have more spin for me. UC is pretty average in that department for a poly. Don't take those spin potential values as gospel, B5E is a spin monster for me.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
No way does UC have more spin for me. UC is pretty average in that department for a poly. Don't take those spin potential values as gospel, B5E is a spin monster for me.
This ^. B5E is such a good blend of stiffness, shape, gauge and slipperiness. I found UC to be very spinny but it had nowhere near the control of B5E as it got so boatey so much more quickly than B5E.
 

Jerry Seinfeld

Professional
Higher level players with faster swing speeds will get significant spin production from Ultra Cable, but slower swing speeds will not realize the full spin potential of the sharp profiled square pattern. The B5E structure/profile offers easier access to its full spin potential for a variety of swing speeds. For the general tennis public a 5 side profile is the most effective for easy spin generation.

In terms of comfort, both B5E and Ultra Cable are reasonable for most players. Tension maintenance and length of prime playability will vary according string pattern, headsize, tension and stringing method used. Neither should come anywhere close to the ridiculous lab tension loss numbers from the TW University chart. That particular metric appears to be seriously flawed.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Higher level players with faster swing speeds will get significant spin production from Ultra Cable, but slower swing speeds will not realize the full spin potential of the sharp profiled square pattern. The B5E structure/profile offers easier access to its full spin potential for a variety of swing speeds. For the general tennis public a 5 side profile is the most effective for easy spin generation.

In terms of comfort, both B5E and Ultra Cable are reasonable for most players. Tension maintenance and length of prime playability will vary according string pattern, headsize, tension and stringing method used. Neither should come anywhere close to the ridiculous lab tension loss numbers from the TW University chart. That particular metric appears to be seriously flawed.
JS,

Would you please ask the owner of Weiss Cannon to consider producing Ultra Cable in a thinner gauge and in a different color? Black is always good for most people, as long as it doesn't bleed.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
Tension maintenance and length of prime playability will vary according string pattern, headsize, tension and stringing method used.
A string with great/poor tension maintenance will have that trait no matter the head size, pattern or tension.

I played with my 2nd, tighter, Ultra Cable string job again this evening for about and hour. It's now been used for roughly 6 hours and has been rubbish since about 3-4 hours. This is consistent with the string performance database ratings which, as far as I can see, suggest it performs really, really poorly for tension loss. On the TW test it loses close to 50% more tension than Black 5 Edge. The frame I had string with B5E at the same time as the UC still plays fine and is nowhere near past it's use-by date so I tend to believe the gap in characteristics is that great.

Again, it's not definitive but here's a quick list of a few strings I've tried compared to UC. The only string I've tried with worse tension maintenance was Double AR Diablo. Interestingly enough, the makers also claimed massive spin and great feel - both of which evaporated after just a couple of hours of use.

 

mikeler

Moderator
Higher level players with faster swing speeds will get significant spin production from Ultra Cable, but slower swing speeds will not realize the full spin potential of the sharp profiled square pattern. The B5E structure/profile offers easier access to its full spin potential for a variety of swing speeds. For the general tennis public a 5 side profile is the most effective for easy spin generation.

In terms of comfort, both B5E and Ultra Cable are reasonable for most players. Tension maintenance and length of prime playability will vary according string pattern, headsize, tension and stringing method used. Neither should come anywhere close to the ridiculous lab tension loss numbers from the TW University chart. That particular metric appears to be seriously flawed.
I'm a USTA rated 4.5 and I hit with a lot of spin. Ultra Cable should be sold as a comfort poly in my opinion because it is easily one of the softest I've hit with but you know a lot more about marketing than I do.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
I'm a USTA rated 4.5 and I hit with a lot of spin. Ultra Cable should be sold as a comfort poly in my opinion because it is easily one of the softest I've hit with but you know a lot more about marketing than I do.
How did you get downgraded? Injury?
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
No way does UC have more spin for me. UC is pretty average in that department for a poly. Don't take those spin potential values as gospel, B5E is a spin monster for me.
that is odd. spin potential is low compared to others like Red Ghost and Ultra cable. according to the chart if you use the comparison chart. but energy return seem to be high. More energy return/Power is even higher than Red Ghost ?? Red ghost has been reviewed as one of the Highest powered poly ever made.

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/reviews/WCBFE/WCBFEreview.html
 

Minion

Hall of Fame
A string with great/poor tension maintenance will have that trait no matter the head size, pattern or tension.

I played with my 2nd, tighter, Ultra Cable string job again this evening for about and hour. It's now been used for roughly 6 hours and has been rubbish since about 3-4 hours. This is consistent with the string performance database ratings which, as far as I can see, suggest it performs really, really poorly for tension loss. On the TW test it loses close to 50% more tension than Black 5 Edge. The frame I had string with B5E at the same time as the UC still plays fine and is nowhere near past it's use-by date so I tend to believe the gap in characteristics is that great.

Again, it's not definitive but here's a quick list of a few strings I've tried compared to UC. The only string I've tried with worse tension maintenance was Double AR Diablo. Interestingly enough, the makers also claimed massive spin and great feel - both of which evaporated after just a couple of hours of use.

Just goes to show, numbers aint everything. I had the exact opposite experience. B5E (and i've played with it alot, solidly for 2 years) loses its tension and feel in less than 2 weeks for me, but UC lasts more than a month with hardly any tension loss or notching.
 

Minion

Hall of Fame
that is odd. spin potential is low compared to others like Red Ghost and Ultra cable. according to the chart if you use the comparison chart. but energy return seem to be high. More energy return/Power is even higher than Red Ghost ?? Red ghost has been reviewed as one of the Highest powered poly ever made.

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/reviews/WCBFE/WCBFEreview.html
For me B5E is a great string, very spin friendly, but it doesn't come close to RG or UC. RG is fairly similar to B5E, but just better, in every way (except colour).
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
Guys, spin potential numbers are far from reliable. If a string is too powerful or inconsistent for you to take your fullest swing, then it will not feel spin friendly. I find a string such as Max Power rather spin friendly, simply because its control lets me rip at shots with little worries. It is entirely likely that UC's soft and powerful construction is ill suited to certain players and certain frames. I can easily imagine it not being confidence inspiring in a racquet such as the Tour 100T ESP.
 
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Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
For me B5E is a great string, very spin friendly, but it doesn't come close to RG or UC. RG is fairly similar to B5E, but just better, in every way (except colour).
The people who distribute them say B5E has better tension maintenance than UC. Also that UC has the most spin, then B5E, then RG.

I've played with B5E for about three years so I have about 50+ string jobs to go by. There is no doubt at all it has miles better tension maintenance than UC - it's not even close. I can play with it for weeks but UC was rubbish after only two hitting sessions. Maybe you prefer strings as they loosen off - plenty of people do in fact. But the tension maintenance of UC is as bad as any poly I've tried aside from Double AR Diablo.

Note: I always string as a hybrid to gain back a bit of zip/liveliness back so tension maintenance should be better than a full bed of poly.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
that is odd. spin potential is low compared to others like Red Ghost and Ultra cable. according to the chart if you use the comparison chart. but energy return seem to be high. More energy return/Power is even higher than Red Ghost ?? Red ghost has been reviewed as one of the Highest powered poly ever made.
Yeah, those numbers can be all over the place. Double AR Diablo promised lots more spin and also softness than B5E too. The softness was certainly there but the spin was laughably poor except when brand new. After maybe 2 hrs solid hitting it was rubbish. The poor tension maintenance didn't help either.
 

Minion

Hall of Fame
The people who distribute them say B5E has better tension maintenance than UC. Also that UC has the most spin, then B5E, then RG.

I've played with B5E for about three years so I have about 50+ string jobs to go by. There is no doubt at all it has miles better tension maintenance than UC - it's not even close. I can play with it for weeks but UC was rubbish after only two hitting sessions. Maybe you prefer strings as they loosen off - plenty of people do in fact. But the tension maintenance of UC is as bad as any poly I've tried aside from Double AR Diablo.

Note: I always string as a hybrid to gain back a bit of zip/liveliness back so tension maintenance should be better than a full bed of poly.
:) I'm not an expert on strings, maybe my perception is just different. I like all 3, and SilverString as well, I just prefer UC and RG.:)
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
For me B5E is a great string, very spin friendly, but it doesn't come close to RG or UC. RG is fairly similar to B5E, but just better, in every way (except colour).
I am trying the Red Ghost Next...this weekend. Liked the UC too. do you think RG produces just as good of spin as UC or B5E ?? I know RG is much more powerful..
 

Minion

Hall of Fame
I am trying the Red Ghost Next...this weekend. Liked the UC too. do you think RG produces just as good of spin as UC or B5E ?? I know RG is much more powerful..
I'd say slightly more than B5E, but slightly less than UC. But it the best feeling string of the 3 for me, and has the best sound:)
 

M Pillai

Rookie
I am relatively new to the poly world. So consider that when you take my opinion into count. I really liked both Ultra Cable as well as Red Ghost in full beds. I think they both have some unique characteristics with them making them really good choices for many. RedGhost seemed a lot softer, but still had some crisp feel to it. Ultracable is relatively stiffer. I was able to generate really good rotation with both, and enjoyed I strung them at mid 40s and the tension loss after two weeks was not doing much damage to my game. I will definitely choose these two poly strings over some other popular polys I tried.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
I'd say slightly more than B5E, but slightly less than UC. But it the best feeling string of the 3 for me, and has the best sound:)
I tried that Ultra cable some more today. in a doubles match. and I have to admt, it has excellent pop on the volleys. especially on Serve and volleys, my 1st volleys had really good pop on them. guys I was playing against said my volleys really came thru the court with good power and penetration.......surprisingly good volley string
 

Demented

Semi-Pro
I put some Code Black 4S into my new(extremely flexy racket 55RDA!) and it still tore my arm up in warm ups with just 178 strokes. I strung it at 42 like 16 hours ago so it's probably down in the 30's by now. It's still way too stiff apparently. On the plus side, my strokes had at least double the spin of my gut/poly setup.... I'm considering Ultra Cable as an option since it's apparently much much softer than the 4S.

I'm curious about the actual testing of the Ultra Cable. The data presented by TW University seems a bit odd. I wish they had tested it at multiple starting tensions. It seems to have lost 20lbs of static tension after what I assume is 24 hours? I wonder if this is some new polymer type that requires prestretching. I can't believe it dropped from 51 to 26 lbs that quickly....
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
I'm curious about the actual testing of the Ultra Cable. The data presented by TW University seems a bit odd. I wish they had tested it at multiple starting tensions. It seems to have lost 20lbs of static tension after what I assume is 24 hours? I wonder if this is some new polymer type that requires prestretching. I can't believe it dropped from 51 to 26 lbs that quickly....
Lab testing aside, my experience with Ultra Cable is it has very high tension loss compared to all other polys I've tried other than Double AR Diablo. I've used it three times now (as a hybrid with syn gut in the mains) and drops too quickly for my liking. It is just a common issue with spin-oriented polys which try to play soft. That is a holy grail aim but no-one seems to have been able to do it yet.

If you are not concerned with or sensitive to tension loss then try it. You might love it.
 

Demented

Semi-Pro
Lab testing aside, my experience with Ultra Cable is it has very high tension loss compared to all other polys I've tried other than Double AR Diablo. I've used it three times now (as a hybrid with syn gut in the mains) and drops too quickly for my liking. It is just a common issue with spin-oriented polys which try to play soft. That is a holy grail aim but no-one seems to have been able to do it yet.

If you are not concerned with or sensitive to tension loss then try it. You might love it.
To be fair, I was able to play with shaped polys at 25 starting tension just fine. I did the extremely low tension setup for 6 months. The question I've yet to be able to answer is does my arm hurt more because I'm using poly or because I'm swinging harder to compensate for the inherent low power of these setups or a combination of both.
 

Demented

Semi-Pro
So, I tried to order some Ultra Cable from the only US distributor apparently, TW and it's backordered for a week. Instead I got a 660 reel from stringersworld UK for 89 shipped... 1 pack = 17 shipped... 16 packs = 5.40 each shipped in a reel..... talk about an exchange rate win for the US people... no VAT and a massive win on the currency exchange..
 

TinTin 1

Professional
So, I tried to order some Ultra Cable from the only US distributor apparently, TW and it's backordered for a week. Instead I got a 660 reel from stringersworld UK for 89 shipped... 1 pack = 17 shipped... 16 packs = 5.40 each shipped in a reel..... talk about an exchange rate win for the US people... no VAT and a massive win on the currency exchange..
TW is not the US distributor of Weiss Cannon.
You may order from the US Distributor.
 

wmrhawk

Rookie
I don't think Ultra Cable is "much softer" than any string.

Stringing and hitting, it is one of the stiffest polys I have experienced, but I am exploring hybrid options with some positive results. And I will say this: it is absolutely the best anti notching string I've tried and like a lot of string psychos out there, I have tried dozens and dozens. Last one was with PP Plus Power at 48 and it played well.


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