Weiss Cannon Ultra Cable - need some feedback

#51
This is def a great string. It's thicker than advertised. Looks like a 130 g.
It plays relatively dead. And bites the heck out of the ball. I even like the color. Not like that awful hyp g
But but there is one thing that it does not have and that is snap back. Right from the gecko right from the stringer it just shifted back there was absolutely no snapback whatsoever to be found in the string and subsequently that's the same with hyper G it seems that a lot of people here I missed construed misconstrued about what snapback means snapback is when the string has some elasticity take your index and your pointer finger and pull across traction section of the string from the middle to strings and like an elastic band they should pull back into shape not like these which just shift when you move then when you pull them there is no electricity whatsoever so stop back is something that I think people have not got the right idea about in general. A good example of a shape string that does have snapback is rpm blast that when fresh another example is Wilson revolve snap back all day every day mine is six months old and I have snapped back at. So the point to this story is that I think the definition of snapback has been skewed
 
#52
UC has no snap back at lower tension. I'd say sub 35 after fall off. I string it way way tighter than my normal polys so that it falls off into the 40's on racket tune after 24 hours. It still has plenty of snap back at that tension. In fact it literally hurts my fingers pulling the mains sideways to hear them snap back. I've mentioned this before but I've tension metered this string on my crank, I aim for 43 lbs after 24 hours and I have to string it at 60 lbs to achieve that. Some polys like revovle stay snappy up and down the tension spectrum but I have a feeling that's to do with the round shape vs the square shape. I think UC may develop more micro notching than is common with rounds when the string isn't pulled tight.
 
#53
I honestly could not disagree with you anymore but it's not just the string is any shaped probably with very sharp edges none of them have any snap back. I strong ultra cable at 50 pounds and there was no snapback whatsoever even fresh. That's why I'm saying I think definitions of snapback or skewed. Go get yourself a set of Wilson revolve put that in at 50 pounds and that's what you call snapback
 
#54
I tried it at then at 52/50 and it felt pretty good. Noticeable spin, and fair power and fair pocketing compared to the X1 Biphase I usually use, but I found I wasn't winning matches, so I decided to try it at 51/49 and didn't like that at all and cut them out. After reading this thread I may try it one more time at 48 or so, or try Solstice Power next, but I'm a little disappointed, to be truthful, after all I've heard about this string. Or maybe I'm doing something wrong?
 
#55
My first date with UC (copied from my other thread) here we go:

First impressions of Ultra Cable:

Yet another baseline sluggers string. I like. I toss it in the same drawer with the TourBites and Hyper G's of the string world.

Played a 45 minute groundstroke warmup (some volleys and serves as well) followed by three long sets in a 105 degree weather, empty courts - everyone in their right minds played in the morning.
We were sweating like priests in Toy's R US :D:D:D

They should rename this string Weiscannon Cheese Grater. Stringing this thing was a pain in the arse. It has the highest spin potential according to TW lab and it certainly delivers in this area but I found Gamma Zo Verve giving more spin but I attribute that to Verve being lower powered and I would simply go for more on me shots.

the goods: Power ( a tad higher than your "low" power poly), comfort (way better than Tour Bite, a bit better than Hyper G), great control and spin as expected.
the bads: slices ( UC "overgrabs" the ball sometimes and I had issues controlling slice depth; my slices are very solid. this could be adjusted in time perhaps but certainly did not promote confidence). Touch shots were crap as well, drop shots quite terrible.

It is a solid, thick string with great spin. Not sure if I could switch to this, wish they made it thinner.

Will see how it behaves after 5-6 hrs.
Mind if I ask what is your normal string setup?
 
#60
I honestly could not disagree with you anymore but it's not just the string is any shaped probably with very sharp edges none of them have any snap back. I strong ultra cable at 50 pounds and there was no snapback whatsoever even fresh. That's why I'm saying I think definitions of snapback or skewed. Go get yourself a set of Wilson revolve put that in at 50 pounds and that's what you call snapback
I would like to ask what is the important aspect of snapback? The spin that you can get from a quality shaped string is a favorable characteristic. I would just like an explanation of the advntage. Is snapback overrated or is it essential for optimal play?

Thank you in advance.
 
#61
I would like to ask what is the important aspect of snapback? The spin that you can get from a quality shaped string is a favorable characteristic. I would just like an explanation of the advntage. Is snapback overrated or is it essential for optimal play?

Thank you in advance.
it is essential. and ill explain why. with these sharp polys with no snap back. . the ball hits the strings and just smooshes the strings to one side before letting go and then get catapaulted out. so picture this.. when that same string gets even a little loose, the strings just kind of get pushed around and not uniformly.. so you will get shots that seem to sail long, or have an extreme launch angle. so with that type of poly you need to string tight so that string movenent is minimal, and then replace every couple of weeks when they loosen up..
but if you have a string like revolve.. youll see that the snap back is perfect and uniform and elastic and exact. so you are going to get t more predictable ball launch every time.. same for alu power , bb original..
not many strings have perfect snap back. the only shaped poly that has it when fresh is rpm. but that one goes dead and gets sloppy real fast.
so the moral of the story is.. try a set of revolve. see what i am talking about.
to do the snap back tgest. just take your fore finger and middle finger and pull the center strings out of position. you should rfeel and elastic snap back where the string automatically pulls itself back into place but with a nice delastic sense of precision.

so in closing. if you are playing with a sharp poly that has lost some tension and doesnt really have that snap back, you are going to have erratic results.
and bear in mind. . players on tour that are using Hyper g are replacing it after one hour of use.
 
#62
I've still got a good bit of UC left in my reel so I'm going to start doing some hybrid trials. I didn't have any revolve on hand so I substituted prince tour xc 17 as my first attempt. Next week I'll do revolve.
 
#66
Someone was saying this string is expensive but I just ordered another reel for 71 dollars + 10 dollars international shipping from racketdepot co uk. That works out to roughly 5 dollars per string job. I've also started using it as a hybrid. UC in the mains and revolve in the crosses. I go way way higher on the mains(UC) when stringing because it loses a substantial amount more tension than revolve.
 
#68
I find that UC stops sliding over itself very quickly... the snap back fades as the string loses tension. I combat this by stringing the mains really high and now adding 17 guage revolve as the crosses. The thinner guage string that is stiffer than UC acts like stiff guide rails. It cuts into the thick guage UC and really lays flat allowing the UC mains to be more prominent than the crosses.
 

Mareqnyc

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#70
I find that UC stops sliding over itself very quickly... the snap back fades as the string loses tension. I combat this by stringing the mains really high and now adding 17 guage revolve as the crosses. The thinner guage string that is stiffer than UC acts like stiff guide rails. It cuts into the thick guage UC and really lays flat allowing the UC mains to be more prominent than the crosses.
I agree here on both accounts: UC is like a cheese grater - shreds the ball, but due to its thick square shape it looses snapback very quickly. I have used it extensively over the summer. I have also been messing around with Revolve recently, hands down one of the best cross polyesters you can think of. It brings the mains to live regardless if you put another poly or gut in mains. Big difference in ball grab and spin.
 
#71
I just played with UC yesterday. I hit with a lot of topspin on my forehand and don't really notice much of a difference from the "spin" strings out there. Ultra Cable is not like the others ! Outside of misshits or cranking a flat forehand, every topspin forehand would drop in the court.....and I mean every one of them. Nothing went long. It was so surprising. The pro I was playing was aghast. He couldn't believe the action on the ball. The only other time I experienced such excessive topspin action was when demoing one of the 16x16 Prince Spin racquets against a ball machine; in actual game play, I couldn't get the same action from the Prince, though.

I almost forgot to mention drop shots..... WOW! They would just land, small bounce, and die. They were truly laughable because of all the backspin generated.

I found the power level to be really low, though. I found that my serves lacked the usual pop on them. (my 1st serves have been radarded on a few occasion in the 105-110 range.) I was no where near my usual pace. Kick serves had great action and slices were effective, too.

Comfort was great, too. No arm issues at all.

My setup is a Bablolat Aero Storm (16x20) Mains at 44 lbs / crosses at 42 lbs (constant pull)

I really like this string but may experiment with some hybrids to get more pop out of it. Anybody have any hybrid suggestions? I was thinking about Prince XT in the crosses. I may try out some gut, but I have a feeling that will be waste of time and money. The UC will likely shred the gut in short order.
 
#72
I just played with UC yesterday. I hit with a lot of topspin on my forehand and don't really notice much of a difference from the "spin" strings out there. Ultra Cable is not like the others ! Outside of misshits or cranking a flat forehand, every topspin forehand would drop in the court.....and I mean every one of them. Nothing went long. It was so surprising. The pro I was playing was aghast. He couldn't believe the action on the ball. The only other time I experienced such excessive topspin action was when demoing one of the 16x16 Prince Spin racquets against a ball machine; in actual game play, I couldn't get the same action from the Prince, though.

I almost forgot to mention drop shots..... WOW! They would just land, small bounce, and die. They were truly laughable because of all the backspin generated.

I found the power level to be really low, though. I found that my serves lacked the usual pop on them. (my 1st serves have been radarded on a few occasion in the 105-110 range.) I was no where near my usual pace. Kick serves had great action and slices were effective, too.

Comfort was great, too. No arm issues at all.

My setup is a Bablolat Aero Storm (16x20) Mains at 44 lbs / crosses at 42 lbs (constant pull)

I really like this string but may experiment with some hybrids to get more pop out of it. Anybody have any hybrid suggestions? I was thinking about Prince XT in the crosses. I may try out some gut, but I have a feeling that will be waste of time and money. The UC will likely shred the gut in short order.
I have tried it in both full bed and hybrids.

I prefer the hybrids. My favorite cross for UC mains is Volkl V-Star 19, followed by Wilson Revolve 17 and Prince Tour XT 18.
 
#73
I just played with UC yesterday. I hit with a lot of topspin on my forehand and don't really notice much of a difference from the "spin" strings out there. Ultra Cable is not like the others ! Outside of misshits or cranking a flat forehand, every topspin forehand would drop in the court.....and I mean every one of them. Nothing went long. It was so surprising. The pro I was playing was aghast. He couldn't believe the action on the ball. The only other time I experienced such excessive topspin action was when demoing one of the 16x16 Prince Spin racquets against a ball machine; in actual game play, I couldn't get the same action from the Prince, though.

I almost forgot to mention drop shots..... WOW! They would just land, small bounce, and die. They were truly laughable because of all the backspin generated.

I found the power level to be really low, though. I found that my serves lacked the usual pop on them. (my 1st serves have been radarded on a few occasion in the 105-110 range.) I was no where near my usual pace. Kick serves had great action and slices were effective, too.

Comfort was great, too. No arm issues at all.

My setup is a Bablolat Aero Storm (16x20) Mains at 44 lbs / crosses at 42 lbs (constant pull)

I really like this string but may experiment with some hybrids to get more pop out of it. Anybody have any hybrid suggestions? I was thinking about Prince XT in the crosses. I may try out some gut, but I have a feeling that will be waste of time and money. The UC will likely shred the gut in short order.
I would start out with a cheaper synthetic cross or cheap multi just to see if you like it and try different tensions. Gut would be an expensive experiment
 
#74
I agree here on both accounts: UC is like a cheese grater - shreds the ball, but due to its thick square shape it looses snapback very quickly. I have used it extensively over the summer. I have also been messing around with Revolve recently, hands down one of the best cross polyesters you can think of. It brings the mains to live regardless if you put another poly or gut in mains. Big difference in ball grab and spin.

Can you recommend a good poly that you've used with Revolve crosses? Im thinking about doing a hybrid with Revolve crosses.
 

Mareqnyc

Hall of Fame
#75
Can you recommend a good poly that you've used with Revolve crosses? Im thinking about doing a hybrid with Revolve crosses.
I have tried 3 so far and the textured ones seemed to work out well versus full bed of the same textured string. Gamma Zo Verve (my top polyester as of now) and Solinco Revolution played a tad softer with higher launch angle with Revolve crosses. I have tried Weisscannon Silverstring (round) with Revolve in the cross but didn't care much for it, preferred the feel of full bed of SIlverstring.
 
#76
I have tried 3 so far and the textured ones seemed to work out well versus full bed of the same textured string. Gamma Zo Verve (my top polyester as of now) and Solinco Revolution played a tad softer with higher launch angle with Revolve crosses. I have tried Weisscannon Silverstring (round) with Revolve in the cross but didn't care much for it, preferred the feel of full bed of SIlverstring.
Thanks...appreciate your input.
 
#77
Day 2 was very different from day 1.... I don't know what to think about UC, now.

The biggest difference was that they was no pop left in the string at all. It was like the string had lost all elasticity. manually pulling the main strings aside to check snapback showed how lazy the string had become. I'm really frustrated by the quick decline in this string. Maybe this is why several of you have mentioned stringing higher to factor in the huge drop off in tension and elasticity. I strung the mains at 44 on my constant pull machine but the mains now feel like they were strung in the high 20s..... but without any elasticy or energy left in them.
 
#78
48% tension loss according to TW database. They probably lost too much for you. Actually I wonder how people can use polys at 44lbs :)
 
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#79
Wow. I just looked up the TW data. That's awful! and that's exactly what I experienced yesterday. At TW's reference tension of 51 LBS, the ultra cable string dropped 24.3 LBS to 26.7 LBS !

This string either has to be cutout after every match or strung much higher and play it until it settles where I really want it.
 
#80
Update: i just cut the UC out of my racquet. When i cut the center main, the sting only pulled back 3/8" ..... Talk about dead, done, bagged out, etc.

Also, UC is a pretty heavy strimg. 19grams in my 16x20 98sqin frame. That's at least 3 grams heavier than a typical 1.25mm string.
 
#82
It's a great string definitely - the only real "problem" I have with it is that it's extremely forgiving because of spin potential, large sweet spot and low power, which lets one get away with almost anything on the court. The feel is very unique as well, especially at low tensions. Certainly at least in the fun zone on the hot/crazy scale.
 
#83
I've strung my APD with UC at 26/25kg and playing with it for a couple of weeks now. All strings are at their place, there is no need to fix them by hand and there is no notches yet. It's kind of perfect. Though if I try to move the strings by hand - it's quite strong and I thought that my strokes and not powerful enough to make strings move during hit to get a "snapback spin". So I've got an idea to maybe string lower next time. I only afraid to get loose stringbed and strings which do not snapback. I would like to ask to share their experience those who use lower than 26/25 tension, please.
 
#84
I have used 44/42 lbs in a DR98 and the playability was actually great (better than at 54/52). The problem was that in that combination there were some annoying vibrations from the racquet but that is probably different in an APD. In my case I am going up to 48/46 to get rid of the vibrations. Initial tension loss is an x-factor but I would try to go down to 22 kg at least. I vastly prefer UC at low or low-medium tensions.
 
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#85
Wow. I just looked up the TW data. That's awful! and that's exactly what I experienced yesterday. At TW's reference tension of 51 LBS, the ultra cable string dropped 24.3 LBS to 26.7 LBS !

This string either has to be cutout after every match or strung much higher and play it until it settles where I really want it.
Prestretch it prior to stringing or on the stringer and/or string slightly higher to dial in your preferred tension. You have to put some thought into this, but it'll make a world of a difference on your final thoughts about this string.
 
#86
This is too unique a string for me to give up after 1 string job. I spoke to the US distributor of WeissCannon and then ordered 4 sets to experiment with. I'm looking forward to finding a way to get a little longer playability.
 
#87
This is too unique a string for me to give up after 1 string job. I spoke to the US distributor of WeissCannon and then ordered 4 sets to experiment with. I'm looking forward to finding a way to get a little longer playability.
Prestretch. The string is quite slick and actually moderately soft to feel. Put aside the sharp a** edges. You could always hybrid with weisscannon silverstrings or cyberflash for added feel and more consistent snapback.
 
#88
Prestretch. The string is quite slick and actually moderately soft to feel.
How are you prestretching? Fyi I'm from NOLA but live in BR now. No one here does any racket/string experimenting. The only stringing shop closed. Luckely, i had already bought my own rig and learned to string for myself.
 

JOSHL

Professional
#90
Prestretch. The string is quite slick and actually moderately soft to feel. Put aside the sharp a** edges. You could always hybrid with weisscannon silverstrings or cyberflash for added feel and more consistent snapback.
I crossed it with Wilson Revolve and it's playing very well for me right now. The color is butt ugly but it's a good combo.
 
#91
So here are my recent observations. When you mix UC with revolve, the revolve eventuallys cuts deep notches in the UC and it will unfortunately lock the string bed up. The UC slides over the revolve but the notched guiderails actually cause issues because when the mains want to move horizontally they actually need a tiny bit of verticle movement on the cross.

I restrung my racket yesterday with all revolve to have a control test and found that I couldn't keep the ball on the court what so ever. Once you get used to blasting the ball with UCs low energy return, it's nearly impossible to go back.
 
#92
How are you prestretching? Fyi I'm from NOLA but live in BR now. No one here does any racket/string experimenting. The only stringing shop closed. Luckely, i had already bought my own rig and learned to string for myself.

Exactly the same as how Andy did it in this video but around a support post in the basement of my house. I enjoy experimenting with racquets and strings. It gets me through those days where I can not get out on the court, where I have time to string up a nice setup for the next outing.
 
#93
My 2 cents are very similar to everyone else's. Definitely great spin for the first 2-3 hitting sessions, then what you get seems a bit unpredictable. Maybe if it's strung with the JET method or just prestretched, it might maintain a more constant, predictable playability. The power is definitely on the lower side but it is a tough string that heavy hitters have a hard time breaking usually.
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
#94
I have tried 3 so far and the textured ones seemed to work out well versus full bed of the same textured string. Gamma Zo Verve (my top polyester as of now) and Solinco Revolution played a tad softer with higher launch angle with Revolve crosses. I have tried Weisscannon Silverstring (round) with Revolve in the cross but didn't care much for it, preferred the feel of full bed of SIlverstring.
mareqnyc,

Curious if you have you tried: Cyclone Tour 16g / Revolve ? or Hyper G 16 or 16L/ Revolve? I have always used 17g smooth poly crosses like Head Hawk and Revolve. I find the white Revolve to play stiffer than the black, so will do a Revolution 16L/ Black Revolve 17g playtest one of these days. I have two more setups with RPM Rough in the mains I need to do first.

I have another pack of RPM Rough I plan to use in the mains of a hybrid faceoff between a) white Head Hawk 17g and b) white Wilson Revolve 17g. I want to see if I can tell the difference between the two white smooth polys. Head Hawk and been superb in hybrids for me and others, but not in full bed. Same for Revolve.

Solinco Revolution 16L in a full bed is too stiff for my arm in a 16 x 18 Textreme Warrior 100, but I could handle it in the 16x15 Steam 99S since that pattern was uber open.
 

Mareqnyc

Hall of Fame
#95
mareqnyc,

Curious if you have you tried: Cyclone Tour 16g / Revolve ? or Hyper G 16 or 16L/ Revolve? I have always used 17g smooth poly crosses like Head Hawk and Revolve. I find the white Revolve to play stiffer than the black, so will do a Revolution 16L/ Black Revolve 17g playtest one of these days. I have two more setups with RPM Rough in the mains I need to do first.

I have another pack of RPM Rough I plan to use in the mains of a hybrid faceoff between a) white Head Hawk 17g and b) white Wilson Revolve 17g. I want to see if I can tell the difference between the two white smooth polys. Head Hawk and been superb in hybrids for me and others, but not in full bed. Same for Revolve.

Solinco Revolution 16L in a full bed is too stiff for my arm in a 16 x 18 Textreme Warrior 100, but I could handle it in the 16x15 Steam 99S since that pattern was uber open.
Revolution is quite firm in thicker gauges, I liked it the most in 18g. I have been using full beds of poly for the past year with a random hybrid here and there (Zo verve and Revolution with Revolve crosses). I did not like the Cyclone Tour so much and I don't think I will ever come back to it, I do not have any Hyper G left either. Both Hawk and Revolve should be great crosses for a textured main. I am pretty sure there will be noticeable difference between Hawk and Revolve in crosses if you play them side by side.
 
#96
So here are my recent observations. When you mix UC with revolve, the revolve eventuallys cuts deep notches in the UC and it will unfortunately lock the string bed up. The UC slides over the revolve but the notched guiderails actually cause issues because when the mains want to move horizontally they actually need a tiny bit of verticle movement on the cross.

I restrung my racket yesterday with all revolve to have a control test and found that I couldn't keep the ball on the court what so ever. Once you get used to blasting the ball with UCs low energy return, it's nearly impossible to go back.

This doesn't make sense. I am not doubting your observation, however it would seem that the smooth cross would perhaps GET notched by the shaped mains not DO the notching to the mains.
 
#98
Revolution is quite firm in thicker gauges, I liked it the most in 18g. I have been using full beds of poly for the past year with a random hybrid here and there (Zo verve and Revolution with Revolve crosses). I did not like the Cyclone Tour so much and I don't think I will ever come back to it, I do not have any Hyper G left either. Both Hawk and Revolve should be great crosses for a textured main. I am pretty sure there will be noticeable difference between Hawk and Revolve in crosses if you play them side by side.
Out of curiosity, What gauges and tensions were you using in these setups?
 
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