Weisscannon ultracable hybrid recommendations.

yfi

New User
Hi,

I just tested a whole lineup of polys and have decided to get a reel of ultra cable.

Do you know a good syngut that would complement this string? Something that will let the mains move freely and won’t get cut up by ultra cable’s shape edges? Preferably yellow.

Ty
 

Purestriker

Semi-Pro
Hi,

I just tested a whole lineup of polys and have decided to get a reel of ultra cable.

Do you know a good syngut that would complement this string? Something that will let the mains move freely and won’t get cut up by ultra cable’s shape edges? Preferably yellow.

Ty
Something coated, but even then with the shape of the Ultra cable it won't last long. Maybe try one of Gamma's offerings.
 
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AceyMan

Semi-Pro
Well,

Ultracable has a square cross-section which tends to lay flat against the opposing string more than 5, 7, 8 + sided shapes.

I think you'll find for a shaped string it chews on the crossing string less than other shaped polys.

ottomh, Velocity 16 in blue would be a promising combo and would look cool, too.

/Acey
 

erikm

New User
I've strung many Klip Legend Gut (15L and 16 ga.) x Ultracable hybrids in many different 16x19 and 18x20 frames - Yonex VCORE Pro HD, Wilson Ultra Tour 2.0, Prince Textreme Tour 100p (2015), Yonex VCORE Pro 97 310, HEAD Graphene Radical Pro, HEAD GrapheneXT Prestige Pro, and Donnay Pro One Penta in both the 16x19 and 18x20 patterns. I've mostly used the gut in the mains and the Ultracable in the crosses, and mostly with the gut in the mid to high 50s and the Ultracable in the low 50s/high 40s (mostly with around an 8 lb difference). In some of the frames, I've also tried the reverse, with the UC in the mains and the gut (sometimes going to a 15 ga) in the crosses. In all cases with gut mains, the UC crosses snaps before the gut. When the UC was used as the main with 15 ga gut, in the VCORE Pro HD, I got a spectacular break where two mains and one cross all broke simultaneously.
UC's sharp edges, when used as a main, seemed to inhibit string movement against the gut crosses, reducing what I think is its best attribute (the slickness and elasticity, producing great snapback). I think it's far better used as a cross, where the flat surface actually allows, in my estimation, better main string movement than rounder polys.
Prior to switching to gut x UC, I tried a random assortment of premium 15 and 16 16 ga multis as mains, including most of the big/popular names and found that, although they varied slightly in terms of feel, power, spin production, etc., none of them were at all durable, and I couldn't get more than a few hours out of any of them. Ditto with the few syn gut mains that I tried.
Prior to that phase, I played all poly hybrids, usually with UC in the crosses, and 16 ga polys in the mains. With those, the results varied in terms of durability. In general, if the poly main was on the softer end of the spectrum, it would be cut through and break before the UC cross, but if it was on the stiffer end, the UC cross would snap first.
The gut, whether in mains or crosses, lasts far longer than the multis or the syn guts. It's not even close, making gut by far the most satisfying and ultimately even cheaper option. It even outlasts some of the softer polys when used as a main.
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
I've strung many Klip Legend Gut (15L and 16 ga.) x Ultracable hybrids in many different 16x19 and 18x20 frames - Yonex VCORE Pro HD, Wilson Ultra Tour 2.0, Prince Textreme Tour 100p (2015), Yonex VCORE Pro 97 310, HEAD Graphene Radical Pro, HEAD GrapheneXT Prestige Pro, and Donnay Pro One Penta in both the 16x19 and 18x20 patterns. I've mostly used the gut in the mains and the Ultracable in the crosses, and mostly with the gut in the mid to high 50s and the Ultracable in the low 50s/high 40s (mostly with around an 8 lb difference). In some of the frames, I've also tried the reverse, with the UC in the mains and the gut (sometimes going to a 15 ga) in the crosses. In all cases with gut mains, the UC crosses snaps before the gut. When the UC was used as the main with 15 ga gut, in the VCORE Pro HD, I got a spectacular break where two mains and one cross all broke simultaneously.
UC's sharp edges, when used as a main, seemed to inhibit string movement against the gut crosses, reducing what I think is its best attribute (the slickness and elasticity, producing great snapback). I think it's far better used as a cross, where the flat surface actually allows, in my estimation, better main string movement than rounder polys.
Prior to switching to gut x UC, I tried a random assortment of premium 15 and 16 16 ga multis as mains, including most of the big/popular names and found that, although they varied slightly in terms of feel, power, spin production, etc., none of them were at all durable, and I couldn't get more than a few hours out of any of them. Ditto with the few syn gut mains that I tried.
Prior to that phase, I played all poly hybrids, usually with UC in the crosses, and 16 ga polys in the mains. With those, the results varied in terms of durability. In general, if the poly main was on the softer end of the spectrum, it would be cut through and break before the UC cross, but if it was on the stiffer end, the UC cross would snap first.
The gut, whether in mains or crosses, lasts far longer than the multis or the syn guts. It's not even close, making gut by far the most satisfying and ultimately even cheaper option. It even outlasts some of the softer polys when used as a main.
when you dont take care during stringing the square UC can twist thereby its sharp corner cuts easily into soft string of a multi . So i still think using another poly in this hybrid is the most durable.
 

erikm

New User
when you dont take care during stringing the square UC can twist thereby its sharp corner cuts easily into soft string of a multi . So i still think using another poly in this hybrid is the most durable.
Yes, it's true that the UC can twist during stringing, especially with the last few crosses, but the mains don't move too much that far down. It's pretty easy, if a little more time-consuming, to keep the string from twisting when stringing the crosses that run through the sweetspot, where the strings move the most.
Twisted or not, the UC crosses quickly cut through every multi I tried, even the 15 ga ones.
In my experience, with many frames and many strings, gut mains last longer than polys, although, to be fair, I mostly used 15L gauge gut and 16 ga. poly. The gut, even that thick, is still very playable, whereas the poly would not be.
In the end, I would still prefer an all poly setup, but I feel it more in my aging elbow, so I decided to switch to a gut or multi hybrid. Initially, it was a surprise to me to see how long the gut lasted, but it's been consistently durable across many frames, so, at least for my game style, it's real.
 

yfi

New User
Hi everyone, thanks for all your input.
I ended up stringing two sticks with ultracable in mains and a budget syngut in the crosses: forten compeition 16G at $20/reel.

I've only hit these sticks for about a week but so far there is no sign of UC wearing down the crosses.
In fact, UC lies flat against the crosses so there are not sharp corners cutting into the syngut (with the exception of a few mains where i messed up and twisted the string.) I'll monitor the twisted mains but it stands to reason that UC will actually be easier on the crosses than other strings.

So far it feels great, looks good too.
Softer feel. Spin/Control are about the same. Perhaps a bit more power.

The setup is Ultracable @ 48lbs × Forten Competition 16G @ 50lbs in Phantom 107G

 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
Hi everyone, thanks for all your input.
I ended up stringing two sticks with ultracable in mains and a budget syngut in the crosses: forten compeition 16G at $20/reel.

I've only hit these sticks for about a week but so far there is no sign of UC wearing down the crosses.
In fact, UC lies flat against the crosses so there are not sharp corners cutting into the syngut (with the exception of a few mains where i messed up and twisted the string.) I'll monitor the twisted mains but it stands to reason that UC will actually be easier on the crosses than other strings.

So far it feels great, looks good too.
Softer feel. Spin/Control are about the same. Perhaps a bit more power.

The setup is Ultracable @ 48lbs × Forten Competition 16G @ 50lbs in Phantom 107G

This is an interesting hybrid. I know how sharp the Ultra cable is. I mean when your strings hit a ball than the UC actually slides on the sgut without cutting into it? I would think the soft sgut curls a bit around the sharp edges and then being cut? How does this hybrid feel compared with a fullbed UC? Would an other sgut give the same results?
 

erikm

New User
Why use ultracable in a hybrid? That will greatly reduce the spin potential, thus defeating it’s main purpose.
Ultracable's formulation is different from most other polys, and it feels different when used in a full bed. That may not be desirable. However, as you say, it's got good spin potential because it's so slick. Every other string that I've tried, whether poly, multifilament, gut, or syn gut, gains in spin potential when paired with an ultracable cross. You can therefore get increased spin without sacrificing too much of the feel, which is mostly determined by the mains.
 
Hi everyone, thanks for all your input.
I ended up stringing two sticks with ultracable in mains and a budget syngut in the crosses: forten compeition 16G at $20/reel.

I've only hit these sticks for about a week but so far there is no sign of UC wearing down the crosses.
In fact, UC lies flat against the crosses so there are not sharp corners cutting into the syngut (with the exception of a few mains where i messed up and twisted the string.) I'll monitor the twisted mains but it stands to reason that UC will actually be easier on the crosses than other strings.

So far it feels great, looks good too.
Softer feel. Spin/Control are about the same. Perhaps a bit more power.

The setup is Ultracable @ 48lbs × Forten Competition 16G @ 50lbs in Phantom 107G
I'm going through the exact same experiment. It really doesn't lose much spin and control, compared to full bed UC? please update how you feel about the setup. Thanks.
 

yfi

New User
After additional 20hrs of use. Forten and UC still intact. No signs of wear. Still happy with playing properties. Also, not sure if it’s due to the setup but my serve has been huge (relative to past serves) during this test.

 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
After additional 20hrs of use. Forten and UC still intact. No signs of wear. Still happy with playing properties. Also, not sure if it’s due to the setup but my serve has been huge (relative to past serves) during this test.

WOW no notches to observe! Or are there? I know UC is very durable itself but the mains in a hybrid with it also?
 

MoxMonkey

Rookie
I string ultra cable in the mains with rpm rough 17g yellow in the crosses of a rf97.

I string it tight 56lbs on both mains/crosses.

I pulled up a cross for this photo. The rough cuts into the UC, the UC slides on the grooves that are cut into it by the rough.

I literally see little fuzz clouds when I hit particularly heavy shots, it's a lotta spin.

UC notching
 

TomTennis495

Semi-Pro
I string ultra cable in the mains with rpm rough 17g yellow in the crosses of a rf97.

I string it tight 56lbs on both mains/crosses.

I pulled up a cross for this photo. The rough cuts into the UC, the UC slides on the grooves that are cut into it by the rough.

I literally see little fuzz clouds when I hit particularly heavy shots, it's a lotta spin.

UC notching
I feel llike this would be very close to what I would choose if I'd mix something with my UC. String it around 55 or 56 and cross it with RPM or ALU rough. Nice call.
 

MoxMonkey

Rookie
TBH all I did was take the TWU statistics and took the string with the most spin potential and crossed it with the string that had the most snapback potential. Just wanted to see what it would do.

It can be erratic at times(probably just me being inconsistent, but I seem to pay more for my inconsistency with this setup) but there are also times it's like the devil's hand is snatching it out of the air and bringing it to the ground. It can on occasion look unnatural, possessed(to my eye of course, it's not like it's pro tour good ;-)

The best ones are when people let the ball go certain it will be long, and then the ball rolls of the proverbial table and dive bombs inside the baseline.
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
TBH all I did was take the TWU statistics and took the string with the most spin potential and crossed it with the string that had the most snapback potential. Just wanted to see what it would do.

It can be erratic at times(probably just me being inconsistent, but I seem to pay more for my inconsistency with this setup) but there are also times it's like the devil's hand is snatching it out of the air and bringing it to the ground. It can on occasion look unnatural, possessed(to my eye of course, it's not like it's pro tour good ;-)

The best ones are when people let the ball go certain it will be long, and then the ball rolls of the proverbial table and dive bombs inside the baseline.
i tried once UC mains with Kirschbaum plx at crosses but found no benefit of that.
 

AceyMan

Semi-Pro
I like Tecnifibre 4S in the square cross category now.

To my hands, it's got the liveliness of Proline II (which it physically resembles except for the square part) and it's easier to find cheaper by the meter. And it doesn't whack the SW as much as the massive UC twine.

My two and one-half yankee cents,
/Acey
 
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