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My co-captain and I are putting together a new ladies 3.5 day team. One of the computer-rated 3.5s has a friend and recommended her for the team. The friend told us that she thought she was 4.0. Yeah, right, I thought. She's just looking at those meaningless USTA descriptions and thinking 4.0, but she's probably a 3.5. Our 3.5 player thought the same, and she plays with this new player all the time.

So we set up a practice match. New player and 3.5 team member versus Ms. Slice & Dice 3.5 computer-rated player and me. We played one set, which my partner and I won 7-5. I observed that new player has a reliable forehand, but very loopy with good topspin. Didn't see much of the backhand. Didn't do well at net or poach. Serve was unremarkable. Significant agility issues and conditioning issues. But hey, I figured she was not below a 3.5, but I considered 4.0 to be too high of a self-rating for her. I figured she could cut her teeth on Court Three, but she definitely wouldn't be our strongest player. She agreed to join the team and self-rate at 3.5.

She called me this afternoon during the process of self-rating. She said she had tried to self-rate before many years ago, and the computer wouldn't let her rate below 4.0 and her appeal was denied. As a result, she didn't get to join a team. She explained that she used to be on a Div. I college tennis team back in the day. I told her to answer all the questions honestly and we'd appeal if necessary. The computer rated her at 5.0!

Now what? If she's a 5.0, then I'm going to join the WTA tour tomorrow. No offense, but that is *way* off base. I don't know how long it has been since she played in college (gotta be 20+ years).

How do we go about getting this fixed?
 
I can attest that the Self Rate guidelines are not accurate when it comes to college tennis players.

I have a friend who played JUCO and he is 3.0 at best but cannot self rate below 4.0. Nobody wants him on their team so all he can do is enter 4.0 tournaments and get beaten down to 3.5 then another year to 3.0.

He tried to appeal but they disallowed it. I feel for the guy.
 
I can attest that the Self Rate guidelines are not accurate when it comes to college tennis players.

I have a friend who played JUCO and he is 3.0 at best but cannot self rate below 4.0. Nobody wants him on their team so all he can do is enter 4.0 tournaments and get beaten down to 3.5 then another year to 3.0.

He tried to appeal but they disallowed it. I feel for the guy.

I hit with and played a few practice games against a former D1 female player at an unranked school and she was equivalent to a 3.5 male at best.
 
Junior College. It was a rural Junior College that happened to have a tennis program that played other rural tennis junior colleges. Any decent (not good) High School tennis team would beat them.
 
My co-captain and I are putting together a new ladies 3.5 day team. One of the computer-rated 3.5s has a friend and recommended her for the team. The friend told us that she thought she was 4.0. Yeah, right, I thought. She's just looking at those meaningless USTA descriptions and thinking 4.0, but she's probably a 3.5. Our 3.5 player thought the same, and she plays with this new player all the time.

So we set up a practice match. New player and 3.5 team member versus Ms. Slice & Dice 3.5 computer-rated player and me. We played one set, which my partner and I won 7-5. I observed that new player has a reliable forehand, but very loopy with good topspin. Didn't see much of the backhand. Didn't do well at net or poach. Serve was unremarkable. Significant agility issues and conditioning issues. But hey, I figured she was not below a 3.5, but I considered 4.0 to be too high of a self-rating for her. I figured she could cut her teeth on Court Three, but she definitely wouldn't be our strongest player. She agreed to join the team and self-rate at 3.5.

She called me this afternoon during the process of self-rating. She said she had tried to self-rate before many years ago, and the computer wouldn't let her rate below 4.0 and her appeal was denied. As a result, she didn't get to join a team. She explained that she used to be on a Div. I college tennis team back in the day. I told her to answer all the questions honestly and we'd appeal if necessary. The computer rated her at 5.0!

Now what? If she's a 5.0, then I'm going to join the WTA tour tomorrow. No offense, but that is *way* off base. I don't know how long it has been since she played in college (gotta be 20+ years).

How do we go about getting this fixed?

You can appeal what the computer gives you. it doesnt really give you a rating, it's just giving you a minimum self-rating.

Im not looking at the chart though however, but I doubt the minimum for a DI College Player is 5.0. That seems very high.

You should just appeal, most coordinators are pretty accomidating especially if you have enough valid information. (some coordinators unfortuanlly encourage underrated players as well) I know college players that have appealed down as low as 3.0 before, it just depends on your coordinator.

Actually I also think the player can appeal the "minimum self rating" right on the computer. Im not totally sure about that, but I think I remember that from the instructions. (there is a tutorial out there somewhere on how the self rating system works, including allowing you to take it for a test run)

I had a weird occurance a couple years ago, where I guy tryed to register for my 3.5 team, but the computer wouldnt let him because it said he already had a 4.5 rating. Turns out he played in a couple 5.0 singles tournaments in Florida, got destroyed and ended up with a 4.5 rating which he did not know about.

He was probally borderline 3.5/4.0, so at least I got them to lower him to 4.0 so he got to enjoy playing for a season. He never would of made it on a 4.5 team. He ended up getting killed so badly though that he was 3.5 at the end of that year.
 
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Im not looking at the chart though however, but I doubt the minimum for a DI College Player is 5.0. That seems very high.

D1 top-ranked, 6.0 if under 30, 5.5 if under 40, 5.0 if under 50
D1 unranked, 5.5 if under 30, 5.0 if under 45, 4.5 if under 55
 
Like what some of the posters here stated, it all depends on the college she played for. If it was a ranked college though, perhaps all she needs is some time to get her strokes back. I've seen former college players who completely stopped playing for so long and when they picked up their racket again for the first time in years doesn't look anything like they did before. It doesn't take long though before you see the strokes come back.
 
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