What a Day at Cincinati

Lleytian3

Semi-Pro
Nadal, Youhnzy, Ljubicic and Djokovic all losing today,

What a day, what a day. This has probably have been all discussed, but with so many upsets, I feel I have to make a new thread.

I was watching part of the nadal match, and it did look like he was tired and he didnt even have that same high energy level, what a break for juan monaco, another up and rising.

Congratulations to sam querry, rallying from a tough opeaning set down to beat a really good hard court player mikhail youhnzy. and ljubicic isnt as much as i suprise since he has been having a struggling year

but the biggest suprise is carlos moya, the oldest player in the draw and yet he just brushed off the montreal winner. but we could also blame it on fatigue on the side of djokovic, not that i am making excuses for him. but as we saw at WO , he isnt in the best shape.

now the question is, will federer just waltz his way and have an easy win at cincinati??
 

Topaz

Legend
See, the one match I'm not surprised about is the Moya result. He's been playing well, he likes hardcourts, and Djokovic is bound to be tired.

Now, the others, plus some of the stuff happening on the women's side...totally didn't see it coming.

I do think that this tournament is now Federer's to win...or to lose.
 

NamRanger

G.O.A.T.
See, the one match I'm not surprised about is the Moya result. He's been playing well, he likes hardcourts, and Djokovic is bound to be tired.

Now, the others, plus some of the stuff happening on the women's side...totally didn't see it coming.

I do think that this tournament is now Federer's to win...or to lose.

Doesn't even matter, Federer just has to make a decent run and he gains alot of points ahead of Nadal (who loses points here) and Djokovic (who barely gained any points).
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
I can't believe how preoccupied with 'points' some of you are, the us open starts in 2 weeks! You really think Fed or Nadal is thinking about 'points' right now?
 

simi

Hall of Fame
An unusual day indeed. Six of the nine seeds in action today either lost or retired. Can't remember such a bleak day for seeded players, (I'm sure Moose will come up with a worse day for seeds.)
 

Lleytian3

Semi-Pro
I can't believe how preoccupied with 'points' some of you are, the us open starts in 2 weeks! You really think Fed or Nadal is thinking about 'points' right now?
points are important though. i think nadal could be thinking about points, especially since he was having such a good summer. he could have really caught roger

points are important because they really dictate who will be #1 this year, even though the open is 2 weeks away, all pro's are always thinking about the points
 

NamRanger

G.O.A.T.
I can't believe how preoccupied with 'points' some of you are, the us open starts in 2 weeks! You really think Fed or Nadal is thinking about 'points' right now?

With how tight the points are becoming, I'm pretty sure Federer's trying to gain as many points as he can right now. He lost a HUGE chunk when he lost at Indian Wells and Miami, also losing at Rome didn't help either. He's only recently gained points at Hamburg, that's it. Also with his loss at Montreal, Nadal and Djokovic are slowly enroaching on him. He has to turn up the heat and gain as many points as he can to retain his #1 ranking.
 

NamRanger

G.O.A.T.
Stupid scheduling. Cincinnati needs to be moved back a week.

It's not stupid scheduling, it's just those who can't take the heat and hardcourt punishment can't do it. I mean, Hamburger eating Roddick won Montreal, Cincy, and the U.S. Open in the same year, I'm sure the more "fit" players such as Nadal could do it.
 

fastdunn

Legend
yeah, it just means US Open is near upon us.

Federer might still want to play a few matches in order to
take some lust off of his game showed in Canadian Open....
 

consigliere

Rookie
I dont know why you guys underestimate Carlos Moya. I've been watching him since the beginning of this year and he's improved a lot. I expect even better things from him later this season and the next year too.
 

Lleytian3

Semi-Pro
It's not stupid scheduling, it's just those who can't take the heat and hardcourt punishment can't do it. I mean, Hamburger eating Roddick won Montreal, Cincy, and the U.S. Open in the same year, I'm sure the more "fit" players such as Nadal could do it.
haha very good point, hamburger eating roddick thats priceless. and roddick is still going strong.

it just goes to prove and show off how hard he worked in the offseason on your training and conditioning. djokovic is a prime example of that, how he just cant last and runs out of gas, as we have seen that at the FO and WO. novak really needs to improve his conditiong if he expects to win a slam, especially with roger and rafa around.

i agree not stupid scheduling, this is where we see how "fit" the top players really are.
 

Chauvalito

Hall of Fame
In some of the other threads, the discussion has centered around whether Djokovic tanked.

That might be a good question to address in this thread.

I dont want to take anything away from Moya, but many were expecting a much tougher match.

Djokovic's body language also did not indicate that he was concerned that he was losing.


Anyway, Moya was ripping forehands and Querrey's win was sweet. Youzny smashed a racket during the match.
 

Challenger

Semi-Pro
I dont know why you guys underestimate Carlos Moya. I've been watching him since the beginning of this year and he's improved a lot. I expect even better things from him later this season and the next year too.
I haven't checked out that game thread, but I think it's more the case of how thoroughly Moya beat Djokovic that was the real surprise...not that he actually won. I agree that, with the way Moya has been playing, his win shouldn't catch any us off guard. I just didn't expect Djokovic to go down that easily, especially after his great run in Montreal. I suppose it took a lot out of him.

It's Federer's tournament to lose now. Anything less than a trophy should be a disappointment for him.
 

daddy

Legend
In some of the other threads, the discussion has centered around whether Djokovic tanked.

That might be a good question to address in this thread.

I dont want to take anything away from Moya, but many were expecting a much tougher match.

Djokovic's body language also did not indicate that he was concerned that he was losing.


Anyway, Moya was ripping forehands and Querrey's win was sweet. Youzny smashed a racket during the match.
I pointed the guys to go to novaks web page, theres talk about that there, although I forgot to mention on serbian language ... ;) Its odd, I refuse to believe he did it on purpose and give all the credit to Moya. But we here were so dissapointed when he surrendered the semis in wimbledon, I personally said Id play until I drop dead on the grass, but thats just me. He really looked like he went out there to give his 50% and I am against this and dont think this is the right way to go around your tennis.
 

zpeed7

Rookie
I think it's all scheduling. Remember when Fed played a horrendous match against Murray last year and lost in the 1st or 2nd round? Highly suspect. As are these loses today. Especially Nadal and Joker. I'll think Fed will stay in now though. He can "easily" defend some points, now that Joker and Nadal are out.

Bet Roddick is pretty happy right now hehe...
 
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bagung

Hall of Fame
federer will waltz through and win this title with ease.....
with djokovic and nadal out on 2nd round, nobody is able to challenge federer.....
 

SiLvErX

Rookie
Trust me I am Novaks fan for some time..he was tanking..

You C..When Novak plays bad...when his hits are bad..he get really nervous for some short time and he throws his racket of the ground...He actually called ball a bit*h in the match against Fed.. He knows nobody understood him there in Canada... :)

in this match he we could all saw that he did not give a sh** about it..he did not even wanted to run for the ball at some crucial points..he just looked it as it goes by him..and his shots where @#^%$@#$

So trust me on This I know him little better... He was Tanking ...not that i like it but he did
 

zpeed7

Rookie
Hmm....

J Monaco (ARG) d [2] R Nadal (ESP) 76(5) 4-1 Ret. (left arm)
C Moya (ESP) d [4] N Djokovic (SRB) 64 61
J Ferrero (ESP) d [6] F Gonzalez (CHI) 62 76(7)
L Hewitt (AUS) d [8] R Gasquet (FRA) 61 32 Ret. (right hand - blister)
N Almagro (ESP) d [11] I Ljubicic (CRO) 64 64
[WC] S Querrey (USA) d [13] M Youzhny (RUS) 57 63 64

Plus these lost too..

Safarova
Ivanovic
Chakvetadze
Dementieva
 

asitkin

New User
Some of commentators said that after losing to Murray Federer said that this match cost him $1M. I don’t know how much he is concerned about points but the semi in Canada, win in Cinci and possible US Open will give him $2,5M which is worth of trying even for him
 

erswimmer02

New User
This really is a chance for Federer to final get within easy striking distance in the calander year race points, as nadal for his loss gets only 1 point..Federer if he wins gets 100, moving him to within 22, in which case winning the USO gaurentees him of taking the race #1, becuase even if nadal gets to the final and looses to him, its a 60 point diff from first to second, so federer would be ahead by 38 after that.

This week in cinncinatti also could gain ground in the regular rankings, as this is one oppurtunity Federer has to make up ground, since he lost early last year. nadal has officially lost 90 points from his cinnci performance, while federer has the chance to gain 465. that would add 375 to his lead over Nadal.... Id say its a pretty important week for Federer, and needs to take advantage of these losses and win this tourney
 

Spider

Hall of Fame
Well about Nadal i am not quite sure what happened as i did not watch that match so maybe he was seriously injured or maybe he withdraw considering a small niggle to be fully fit for US .Good decision anyway.

As far as Nole is concerned it was a clear Tank job . He never really tried anything much because (as i said in another thread) he has proven he is the best on hard courts at the moment since Indian wells. No way was he losing on hards againt Moya even if he played at 40 % of his full potential ,and Having watched the match i can guarentee it that it was a tank for sure without any effort at all in the second set .Real smart tennis brain to save your best for the upcoming slam :)

If you wanna write off these two's chances at the open then you guys are in for a major shock (unless Nadal is seriously injured which i hope not ) .
 

dysonlu

Professional
Let's face it. The US open just around the corner, players, especially those not very fit, give only their 80%. If they end up winning then great, but they will not go all out that's for sure. They don't want to risk injury and they prefer to be 100% fresh for the slam and its 5-set matches.

About the women, it's always been a joke. Numerous questionable upsets and last minute no-show occur every year at the Rogers Cup. I used to go to the women's Rogers Cup. Now, I don't give a damn anymore. Navratilova claimed women can play 5-set matches as an argument for equal prize money. Yeah, maybe she can do it but 90% of women in today WTA tour can barely perform in a 3-set match.
 
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