optic yellow
Legend
Because you read the incoming ball wrong then hit it off your back foot.
What a pain! One handed backhand
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Curious
G.O.A.T.
Weight seems to be distributed equally on both feet and I’m rising on toes of both. Contact both too high and away laterally? Should I have moved back a little to hit the ball while it was going down?
zill
Legend
lol lack of you know what.
optic yellow
Legend
It's getting there late.
zill
Legend
And that. The framing is because of that reason.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
Didn’t frame it. It was just weak contact. Contact was too high and away from me to hit through the ball.
zill
Legend
The extent of that off center to me is ‘a frame’.
optic yellow
Legend
Yes as I said, you read it wrong wnd swung at it late off your back foot.
ballmachineguy
Hall of Fame
Why do you think it is appropriate to get on your toes? At that point, you likely have every muscle in your body contracted and can only wave at the ball. You have to learn to set up with a wide, planted base that allows for a relaxed upper body to punish the ball.
ratherlosethanpush
Rookie
It's down to $$$$$'s
As long as those in charge think more is better and that endless same same baseline bash is more interesting than a clash of styles then tennis is in trouble and going down that angles route.
There is starting to be some resistance to the samey trash with commentators and if the powers that be really want to shorten matche times then the fix is speed up the game, not the dumb ass tinkering suggestions like fast four, 1 serve, play lets...
ratherlosethanpush
Rookie
If you're not going to move forward or back and are choosing to play a ball at that height then you need to open up, staying side on is not helping you here.
Swing more level and across and playing a flatter ball that will curve left in the air as a consequence of your more level and across swing.
Shroud
Talk Tennis Guru
There is something to be said for some weight on the racquet especially as a 1 hander.
Personally I have a hard time with the sentiment in your post even if it might be correct. I never got the “move your body to get the optimum contact point” so I pretty much hit bhs wherever they are low high etc. even rec players can do ok.
Wheelchair players hit tons of high and low one handers with “questionable” contact points and do great. Maybe @Ash smith can correct me if needed. Pretty sure they all hit sw grip and don’t change grips between fh and bh
Curious
G.O.A.T.
May not be for you but it’s a struggle for me. Asked Jolly this question recently.
Definitely worth working on. I guess we have to accept that we’ll never be in the right position very often.
Shroud
Talk Tennis Guru
Mats Wilander once said that Agassi was not playing tennis. He was just hugging the baseline and hitting half volleys. The way he said it implied how talented agassi was…
Anyhow good luck getting in perfect position returning serves…
Dragy
Legend
In the situation in your video you tried to “slap” or “whip” the racquet at the ball while it was too close to you, and a bit past you, not too far from you.
To me it’s obviously an anticipation/read issue, or just unlucky bounce, it happens
Overall on high uncomfortable BHs you have little time to prepare:
- load your legs to get something out of rotation, not just arm
- brace up to deliver in short time, because you don’t have room to smoothly accelerate
- arm everything you lack from torso, but remember you are limited, don’t go for much; and arm, not wrist — straight, from the shoulder
- keep wrist laid back, open up more, meet ball in front, pull across instead of trying to whip it
Thiem is a good model, toned down to your physical ability of course. You can at least produce deep moonball in any such situation.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
I think the single best thing you can do in a sudden unexpected situation like that is to firm the wrist up and keep it cocked, swing through the ball as much as possible and use the shoulder mostly as Jolly said to avoid anything wobbly with the hand and wrist. And focus mentally just to make the shot and don’t go for anything crazy.In the situation in your video you tried to “slap” or “whip” the racquet at the ball while it was too close to you, and a bit past you, not too far from you.
To me it’s obviously an anticipation/read issue, or just unlucky bounce, it happens
Overall on high uncomfortable BHs you have little time to prepare:
- load your legs to get something out of rotation, not just arm
- brace up to deliver in short time, because you don’t have room to smoothly accelerate
- arm everything you lack from torso, but remember you are limited, don’t go for much; and arm, not wrist — straight, from the shoulder
- keep wrist laid back, open up more, meet ball in front, pull across instead of trying to whip it
Thiem is a good model, toned down to your physical ability of course. You can at least produce deep moonball in any such situation.
ratherlosethanpush
Rookie
So 1hbh return of serve option for sudden unexpected I can get.
I might argue when it's bouncing high like that you should have the time for other options.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
Dragy
Legend
There’s a million ways to swing incorrectly…
Curious
G.O.A.T.
Let’s focus on the correct one.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
1H works great on the rise too. Much easier to hit when I'm just deflecting it back as opposed to waiting and setting up
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
BJK is onto something. Teach both
Dragy
Legend
In my opinion, most basic OHBH swing includes shoulder horizontal abduction, abduction (though to a much lesser degree) and external shoulder rotation as major shoulder socket actions.
I like your focus on horizontal abduction though, particularly on lower balls — need to tilt the spine leaning over the front foot, so that horizontal abduction produces enough of rising path for the hand.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
I was thinking differently. The main action is abduction. Horizontal abduction ruins rec one handers!
Dragy
Legend
Well, again, million ways of ruining rec one handers…
You need to explain it more in detail. There’s obviously horizontal abduction in good OHBH, and range of motion is from “chest press” (ha-ha) all the way to hyper-extended pec into the follow-through. So I feel puzzled what you mean.
I would actually avoid “raising the arm” too much, which is abduction. Arm finishes level with shoulders:
Curious
G.O.A.T.
Try to abduct the shoulder only next time you hit and let me know. Resist the horizontal stuff and rotation completely.Well, again, million ways of ruining rec one handers…
You need to explain it more in detail. There’s obviously horizontal abduction in good OHBH, and range of motion is from “chest press” (ha-ha) all the way to hyper-extended pec into the follow-through. So I feel puzzled what you mean.
I would actually avoid “raising the arm” too much, which is abduction. Arm finishes level with shoulders:
Dragy
Legend
I won't, sry. Doesn't sound safe to me.
I'm also quite settled with my OHBH, it was working good, at least for balls in the strikezone. Rallying, returning, passing, redirecting - all good. That's why I switched to 2HBH
and fully committed, not going to derail my work.
zill
Legend
Did my switch inspire yours at all?I won't, sry. Doesn't sound safe to me.
I'm also quite settled with my OHBH, it was working good, at least for balls in the strikezone. Rallying, returning, passing, redirecting - all good. That's why I switched to 2HBH
Dragy
Legend
I hope she's trying to address overrotation issue rather than hits the way she demonstrates in actual play... But I believe we have solved this earlier: the overrotation happens because of lack of coil in the first place. You cannot hit great OHBHs without hips and torso uncoiling.
I also don't get why you use this video to support your point, she obviously has full range of horizontal abduction in her, mostly arm, swing...
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Dragy
Legend
I just wanted to learn it for quite some time. I also like the left arm involvement idea in general, don't wanna play with right arm exclusively for the whole life (and not going lefty any time soon).
Final push was from OHBH dying on Tour, obviously!
And overall seeing literally zero advantages of OHBH: 2HBH guys have just enough pace and spin, although I admit it comes with more effort, whole body use. But I like it.Your switch - well, you overall clearly improved since your early videos, that's inspiring. Not just BH.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
You’re missing something big.
Dragy
Legend
You are trying to be cryptic like BMG?
Anyway, as always, waiting for your updated OHBH in pointplay! I'll be first to admire your improvements.
PS. Maybe it's just me not concerned about "ruined rec OHBHs", why I don't resonate with you.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
I explained clearly. No secrets. You refused to try hence I believe you missed something big.
optic yellow
Legend
This assertion is countered by the video evidence of literally any ATP 1HBH player you choose.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
Only on high contacts. Don’t confuse the follow through opening up with horizontal abduction!
optic yellow
Legend
What is it if not that?
Curious
G.O.A.T.
As explained in these videos. Shoulder abduction, not horizontal shoulder abduction.
optic yellow
Legend
You are aware that regular abduction is a component of horizontal abduction right?
Curious
G.O.A.T.
optic yellow
Legend
How does one reconcile this with the follow through they see here:
One last attempt to clear it up.
Curious
G.O.A.T.
Simple. ‘The follow through of uncoiling’/ shoulders opening up gives you the illusion that the arm is also abducting horizontally.
optic yellow
Legend
Usually you are getting retraction in conjunction with horizontal abduction rather in isolation.
optic yellow
Legend
If the concept is steer the mind more towards up than around then I think it may be solid.
J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
It's times like this where the best advice my coach ever gave me comes to mind.
"Shut the f*ck up and hit the ball. "
J
"Shut the f*ck up and hit the ball. "
J
