Dragy
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Maybe that’s just what they entered?speedometer in cyrillic but not player names
What a pain! One handed backhand
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optic yellow
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proper muscovites then
Sorry, I was just being facetious haha. It's pretty clear that pros have plenty of long rallies during practice.
It was just a bit funny to me how it sounded like hitting 3-4 ball rallies is supposed to be a completely different skill than hitting 20 ball rallies.
Sure, to some degree "specificity is king", but only practicing shots that you sort of expect to miss once every 4 balls seems silly.
Dragy
Legend
I got your irony. The point is, should you be practicing 20-shot rallies being a rec player with very limited court time? Why not 30? Is 15 good enough? 10?
If a player feels he can rally consistently, but doesn’t love entering such patterns? And he misses particularly when trying to execute serve +1 or return +1, or capitalizing on shorter/weaker ball? Shall he test himself with 20-ball rallies, or maybe spend the time doing 20-ball sets off a basket, shorter balls?
Or maybe he’s overall decent with rally and short balls, but gets tight and tries to do too much in point play? So he needs some live practice where he’s allowed to try and miss forcing plays without his opponent rolling eyes, because he was expecting 20-balls-each rallies in practice?
There’re actually many drills two can do mindfully. Like various triangle setups. But they need to know them, agree to do them. If there’s nobody cooperating, best way is to play sets with a mission to make particular plays multiple times. Extending rally’s and playing everything solidly CC might be one of them.
I don't think anybody is claiming that 20 is some magic number, the end-all-be-all of practice objectives, or that people should work on 20 ball rallies when they have more important weaknesses to work on.
Yea agreed here, it's just another tool in the toolbox, just like how one might practice "20-ball sets off a basket, shorter balls", despite how that wouldn't happen in a match. Long rallies aren't the full picture of course, but it would also be strange to imply it doesn't have much relevance. Being able to hit a quality percentage ball has plenty of carryover to the rest of the game after all.
ratherlosethanpush
Rookie
Lies, damned lies, government science and statistics as the saying goes.
Used to be 1.5 shot average at Wimbledon 30 years ago. Rally lengths have doubled, better hit 40 shot rallies in practice.
If your going to win practically every 20 shot rally against me, guess what I have to gamble and i'll make unforced errors (arguably forced), forced errors and I give you opportunities to hit winners when I gamble and I may hit a few winners too.
Oh and when people say ah but rafa is only 50 50 in long rallies, its because he's behind in most of them and turns them around. He fed and novak were gr8 on that short ball they forced or when up in a rally (murray wasn't) and hence it can appear from looking superficially at stats that long rallies are not so important.
Curious
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If I remember correctly you’re a ‘let’s hit from the middle and go home’ type of guy and you said you didn’t compete as you couldn’t handle it mentally, right?
It’s not a rally contest or meditation for me. I use my hitting time to prepare for match play. You’ll of course struggle with the chaos of match play if you don’t practice random balls. So I and my hitting partners warm up and go straight to ‘now let’s hit anywhere we want’, then points with serves with no scoring, then play games or sets.
This friend in the video told me that practicing with me has helped his game recently. He won a set off someone he plays regularly and never won a set before .
J011yroger
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Digital Atheist
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You know you want to, go on!
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optic yellow
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bro u need both the variety practice and the ohysical repuyion that alloes your mind the freedom to trust your body will do what you want it to do
Curious
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Did you read the book mentioned earlier?
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
BS.
And I am an attacking player.
I read since that you were speaking tongue in cheek...
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Fintft
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Do you ever listen to advice?
Ha, reading the Inner game of tennis again...
Curious
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I do but don’t always take it.
optic yellow
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No what does fhat have to do with what I said.
Curious
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Limited information can lead to wrong diagnosis.
optic yellow
Legend
What I said was not a diagnosis.
Curious
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Even worse then, treatment without diagnosis.
optic yellow
Legend
Is drink water everyday really a treatment you need a diagnosed condition to prescribe?
Curious
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I thought I was responding to this actually.
Self-correcting breathing habits? Is this a thing or made up? Nothing came up when I looked it up.
Curious
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Passed the ultimate test on forehand: can you swing fast and still keep the ball in?
Bh close but not as confident yet. I’ll test it again tomorrow.
Happi
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Fintft
G.O.A.T.
Practice makes perfect.
I was just trying that today, swing very fast on the FH against my coach...
I can keep it in for 3-4-5 shots.
Related question: what is the sweet spot racquet wise, for you guys, in terms of weight and swing weight(strung with overgrip)?
Minor answer:
My standard 27" Head TGT 293.1 racquet weighs 328g vs the 27.2" one that weighs 345g.
The SW being 328 vs 338. Both strung with OG( the longer one also has also a big dampener).
I can only hang out in rallies and defend, counter punch( not only attack slow balls, that I can do with either) with the lighter 328g and 328 SW.
How about you guys?
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Curious
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Vcore 95 with some lead at 3-9.
SW probably about 330.
Fintft
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And static weight aboutv 330g strung?
Curious
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Must be.
Fintft
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Yes, mine is a controlled frame, that swings very easily, not a power frame such as a Bab.
Curious
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I think that’s really a good way to see if you have solid topspin ground strokes. Can you swing at your max ( not 110% though) speed and not hit the net or the back fence repeatedly?
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
I just said so, but in average 3 shots against a coach, max 5, after which either my movement fails me, or I win the point, or we miss( b/c he seldom attacks out of my range).
Curious
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I believe you need to just continue hitting that way never resorting back to slowing down. Accidents will happen. That’s ok. Can you do the same with your ohbh? If not why do you think so?
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
Less practice, over time( including when playing matches). Most of us use the FH to dictate.
Slowing down happens even on the FH, in tense situations, when not match tough, speaking for myself.
onehandbh
G.O.A.T.
When hitting it up the middle or crosscourt to each other, can you hit more than 3-5 in a row before missing? (not trying to hit a winner)
Should be able to hit 50+ if hitting directly to each other.
Curious
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Usually something breaks down like a slight misjudgment of the ball, the swing path or racket face angle before you get to 50, even 15.
Fintft
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Not so. Again 20+ shots on both FH and BH side are common practice.
And mini tennis can go forever
Curious
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This was discussed a lot before but who would hit to each other more than 5 in a row in match play? How about this? Hit to each other with any angle and depth allowed. How many good balls in a row can you hit?
onehandbh
G.O.A.T.
How many crosscourt can you hit in a row? (partner also hitting crosscourt)
Curious
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I think I can hit 10 in a row if the hitting partner doesn’t hit it back all over the place. Can test it this weekend with the UTR 7 player.
Fintft
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Then you might be able to achieve 20 with a coach, it stands to reason.
Curious
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Not sure if I can with this new full speed swings. If I focus well and the incoming ball is not unexpectedly deep or short I probably can.
Fintft
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70-80% power.
On the 1HBH I slow down to 60-70% and keep more in play, usually over 30.
Curious
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I’m trying to free my swing from any hesitation. So I’ll be experimenting with full speed for some time just like my second serves. Both in practice and match play. Unless I get tired doing that I don’t see any reason not to do so.
user92626
G.O.A.T.
You have good power if you can hit all the way behind the baseline. Keep it up.
Curious
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Happy with the forehand. I want to do the same now on backhand. Full speed and keep the ball in. If I can always swing at full speed there won’t be any over or under hitting anymore. See the point? How relaxing and freeing would that be mentally?
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
Nice, but that seems like 80% to my untrained eye. Good progress though and the my past coach always recommended me to stay at that limit in matches.
Curious
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Fintft
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Looks like it, but on the BH you are lifting your head too soon.
Dragy
Legend
On second serves, you have one same setup, no rush, all under control. In a point, balls come with varying speed, spin and depth, and your movement is changing it as well. So it's far from identical.
However, you can have 70-80% shot which is good enough and also consistent enough. Has margin. Does damage. No need to redline. Neither to slow down and overly control it, though.
