10sbeast888
Professional
of course, every pro does.
What a pain! One handed backhand
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of course, every pro does.
10sbeast888
Professional
it's a style thing. there are more bends than straights on the tour.
Patrick M talks about this favoring the bend and I agree with him. Thiem maybe the only guy does well with the straight.
for older guys you also have flexibility issue.
bottomline is nothing should be forced. if you are loose in straight that's fine.
some poeple force a straight end up being all stiff at the elbow and shoulder and can't even move around.
Curious
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10sbeast888
Professional
it's a style difference. fed after the unit turn has the tip pointing 45 deg to the right. Gasquet the same.. so the face is open at the unit turn, as the arm drops down the face closes naturally, but at the same time the ISR still makes the move on edge.... it's a visual delusion as if he drops on face.
wawrinka at the unit turn has the racket vertical, so the drop on edge is easier to see.
the proof is in the putting. you drop on edge into a deep ISR and have a relaxed nice rip on the ESR. if you drop on face you end up with a stiff shallow drop and the ball has little spin.
I am answering these questions so quickly you know why
.... I taught this shot to a bunch of guys and have answered these questions many times already from those guys... all are common issues.
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ratherlosethanpush
Rookie
It's on edge, it's the most efficient and powerful way of hitting, the best in the business use efficient motion patterns.
Humans beings aren't stupid we just get in our own way at times by thinking too much.
If we learn it when we r young, we do it because of lack of core strength naturally sends us there, if we learn later in life other patterns and a general increase in strength allows us to be inefficient.
Fintft
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Or he could think more about coming over the ball with a closed racquet face, starting from the grip.
Curious
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10sbeast888
Professional
he has removed me from his internet coach list after looking at my '3.5 video' lol...
sure, several ways to have a mental image of this shot.
I have told @Curious before, hit the ball with the lower part, say the 4th main from the lower edge. but he's basically blind and deaf I doubt it will be any use lol.
10sbeast888
Professional
in this case a slow-mo can mislead a lot of people... the slow-mo looks like he's attacking the ball with the sweet spot... why wouldn't he, it makes all the sense right?
but if you try to attack the ball with the sweet spot your bh will be garbage.
in the pro's mind it's actually a rolling of the ball, but the body rotation make it looking like a flat face on hit at impact.
you can't deny your improving with the on edge drop and on edge up-and-across... this thread is what... couple of years old? apparently not figuring this out by yourself?
even though my video looks like 3.5 you'd be dreaming to have that effortless bh that has heavy top going to the exact target every time.
you roll over the ball. don't hit it.
Dragy
Legend
This is “blasting” the ball, very flat. Spectacular, if over the net and in. Not very reliable in point play.
Well, it’s not terribly flat, good swingpath and racquet angle at impact. But unless he strings really tight, it must be quite low margin. Not surprising shot selection for YT Shorts, though.
Curious
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Hula hoop swing path instead of a ferris wheel is the problem imo.
Dragy
Legend
I wouldn't call this a problem. For a rec player he is, it's not bad. But it's kind of good when you get the ball right into the strikezone and have time.
And still low margin for error. But - everyone would comment how you hit amazing BHs every now and then and play real tennis.
Dragy
Legend
Oh no not that guy again...
10sbeast888
Professional
playing at 2X speed it doesn't look that flat...
@Curious guys on the tour can't play like in my video.. have to take time away from the other guys. for amateus however, deep drop steep roll heavy spin is the way, and you play on clay, more reason to do so - the ball gets wet, the bounce not true on club courts etc..
do the thumb drill and get used to 6-9 ft net clearance you cause so much trouble for other amateurs.
that's how Rafa beat everybody, with super charged rpms.
10sbeast888
Professional
your over-thinking it.. do the thumb drill, work on the drop on edge first..
since you pirate copied my video. there are a few that I did swing horizontal... it's situational and we can go into that later.
again - i taught this shot to lots of guys and gals... your questions are common.
ballmachineguy
Hall of Fame
Neighbors are in for a treat!
Shroud
Talk Tennis Guru
This is a forehand vid and you are applying its concepts to the bh?
Next you will be serving with a fh grip and applying Feds fh technique to the serve…
Curious
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I think it’s equally applicable to ohbh. Ferris wheel vs hula hoop, very important imo.
no no nooo .. the solution is to hit everything open stance, remember?
Curious
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I did shadow swings this morning to see what it should be like on open stance. Still ferris wheel, it’s the right way.
10sbeast888
Professional
@ballmachineguy I agree with you... guy is hopeless.
Shroud
Talk Tennis Guru
Its a synthesis of the two.
He never said it applied to the bh. Closest he got was the topspin tool he was selling.
Bookmarking this so in 2 years when you discover the secret that its a synthesis I can show you.
10sbeast888
Professional
this dude's club is like 30min from my house.
Curious
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I know that but it’s more ferris than hula!
Shroud
Talk Tennis Guru
What if its equal?
What if most balls come from cross court?
What if its a silly concept that doesn’t describe the bh?
How can you have a ferris wheel swing path and still get ESR?
What if you are just going down another rabbit hole to a lame bh?
If its mostly ferris why does everyone seem to struggle with high balls?
Anyhow good luck. The guy never said it applied to the bh…
Btw here is a good vid on the swingpath. Its nuanced so good luck
The TLDR version:
10sbeast888
Professional
ferris wheel is not a very good concept. maybe ok for beginners to feel the basic topspin... but the fh swing is really horizontal, there should be no intent to go low to high. (on average... special occasions apply of course).
10sbeast888
Professional
Curious
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10sbeast888
Professional
lol this type of instruction is target at absolute beginners... but since your a 2.5 ....
lol.
10sbeast888
Professional
also I'd take this guy with lots of salt.... this is obviously wrong, not how the tour pros do it... dead in the water shot if the ball is high.
10sbeast888
Professional
also that 2-min tennis dude had a few vids before for the 1hbh that were obvious dead-in-the-water also.
it's a bit strange these guys look like decent coachs but they certainly know their shots can't handle high balls but still put vids out there.
part of the reason this is kinda lost art.... not many know how to teach it.
lol @Curious how come you didnt find this video.... that's what I was talking about, anyone try to hit like this get tied up if the ball goes above waist high...
but these guys are seriously teaching it like for real.
you can try his way, and try my thumb drill and tell me which way has far more tolerance.
it's a bit strange these guys look like decent coachs but they certainly know their shots can't handle high balls but still put vids out there.
part of the reason this is kinda lost art.... not many know how to teach it.
lol @Curious how come you didnt find this video.... that's what I was talking about, anyone try to hit like this get tied up if the ball goes above waist high...
but these guys are seriously teaching it like for real.
you can try his way, and try my thumb drill and tell me which way has far more tolerance.
10sbeast888
Professional
I think this dude improved lately.. but this video of his early version is the tied-up I am talking about. open face... shot looks stiff like shyt.
10sbeast888
Professional
and here is an example of blind leading the blind.
10sbeast888
Professional
that semi-professional dude saying keep the wrist angle and shyt, was he trying to 'debunk' Patrick here? the way Patrick explains it is correct... the wrist is loose, the arm is wet noodle.... the same was mentioned as part of my thumb drill.
Shroud
Talk Tennis Guru
No. Because I hit a modern 1 handed bh i would never make that conclusion.
Did you see how he swung? How powerless it was? Look at the racquet finish and compare to any pro. No one finishes like that
Curious
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Dragy
Legend
By the way, we were talking about U-shaped swing like in 2018, and possibly earlier as well!
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/the-1-thumb-15-min-1hbh.629404/post-12813865
Curious
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Dou is our new beast888 guy, you know that right?
ballmachineguy spotted it.10sbeast888
Professional
Dou is our new beast888 guy, you know that right?
no idea, maybe one of my students.. so 6 years ago you coulda already fixed the shot? and here we are today..
Dragy
Legend
I noticed, that’s how that thread came up…Dou is our new beast888 guy, you know that right?
But I already have him on ignore for some time now
Edit: the thumb thing for OHBH is great, in my opinion. Not the only thing to learn, but great.
Curious
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Your student must’ve been inspired by you a lot. Uses the same ideas, same style of writing, punctuation!
Curious
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What’s great about it?
Do you really need help from the thumb to do ESR?
Rosstour
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Go watch some Shapovalov videos especially recently
He hardly seems to be moving anything at all. It is efficiency personified
Dragy
Legend
For me, personally, it depends on the grip pressure, whether you pull off the pinky/rind/middle side, like on slice, or you firm up your thumb a bit (or just focus on it, I don’t know), and push the racquet into ESR.
In FH or serve you very naturally push with index finger base knuckle zone, and “inner” palm. But for OHBH I personally did tend to lose that push point.
So I actually experienced how using this focus on thumb while overall doing the full swing allows for much better and reliable racquet head action around contact.
Curious
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Dragy
Legend
He’s doing hula-hoop, but with tilted axis for lower balls
