Curious
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I agree that’s more important than anything else.
What a pain! One handed backhand
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ballmachineguy
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You can’t do what you want to focus on without your feet planted.
10sbeast888
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Pete’s bh vs yours?
go thru all his archive, you wont' fine 1 ball at nose level... it's not a limitation per se if you consider the equipment, tour playing style everything, not many situations call for nose level bhs.
you have a pirate copy of me hitting, see any problem there if I have to hit 1?
I work with a D1 coach and do teach his students how to hit this shot.
ballmachineguy
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Of course that is the way it works optimally, but like I said it has to be down before no matter when you can do it.
you haven't seen my running one hander - jete!
ballmachineguy
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It’s also why this thread has nearly 4500 posts.
In addition, if you are trying to control RF angle on any type of shot that doesn’t have the word “volley” in it, you are clueless, as the person you are agreeing with must be.
10sbeast888
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this is the better approach, which is what my thumb drill teaches as well... player needs to learn hand independence.
'half' is actually quite accurate if you count the shots in pro matches, very close to only 50% you get to step in and hit textbook, the other 50% is scramble... open stance, half volley bunts etc...
people actually take this shot to battle would know this.
ballmachineguy
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Rosstour
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Thank you. I think
lol
I'm not a 1H-only player but I use it a lot, more and more as I explore it. It's really a great timesaver out there
Curious
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I have two more ideas to try today. Delay the racket take back, let the ball come closer to avoid that big forward lunging on most of my backhands.
10sbeast888
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I'm gonna have coffee and popcorn ready when I wake up to see your video..
ballmachineguy
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You know what I think. I will try to not post in this thread ever again.
When something is wrong for this long, a detail will never fix it. It has to be a fundamental thing.
Curious
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Carefully selected words.
10sbeast888
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Carefully selected words.
since this thread is called 'pain', and this @Curious character obviously has no intention to learn anything to end the pain, that makes him a masochist;
and @ballmachineguy knowing he's getting trolled to death and still keep coming back here for more, that makes him one also.
10sbeast888
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Video pls.
Jono123
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It is. Which is why you need to simplify your stroke
Curious
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I agree. Anything complex about Sampras bh?It is. Which is why you need to simplify your stroke
Jono123
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Yes, he's generating all the power in a small compact swing. Although it looks easy , its anything but.
Go for a higher starting position and let the racquet do the work.
Edit : and by work, I mean not only generating power but executing the correct swing path.
Go for a higher starting position and let the racquet do the work.
Edit : and by work, I mean not only generating power but executing the correct swing path.
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Curious
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I simply don’t feel comfortable turning as much as Sampras (or Fed) does, and this thing never works if you don’t turn enough. You can get away with less turn on fh but feels very weird and weak on bh. Maybe it’s a neck flexibility or visual issue that makes it feel very unnatural.
10sbeast888
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Which eye dominant
Curious
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Right eye.
10sbeast888
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donkeys are known to have stiff necks so that might just be the reason.
your mistake is very common among my students (lol)... at the transition from the back swing to the forward swing you are attacking the ball with the sweet spot, causing the pressure point to be the thumb pad on bevel 7. that is typical amateur open face attack, then during the forward swing you have to flip it shut. even though the follow thru looks like a windshield wipe it's actually a open-to-close flip.
the correct mindset is to attack the ball on edge with the inside of the thumb knuckle put pressure on bevel 6. check my video... you can't see but my thumb pad barely touches the handle.
you can learn all this with the thumb drill. maybe make another video... just attack the ball with bevel 6... it would be like the thumb drill without doing the thumb drill. should fix the shyt bh. lol.
add - the mindside is not to hit the ball. but give it a rolling massage, up and across. and bevel 6 is the perfect place to apply pressure.
people use to say that Sabatini doesn't hit the ball, she massages it.... that's exactly what the shot feels like.
Curious
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Maybe this pushing with the thumb stuff is the reason why your bh is just a powder puff, listless, lethargic stroke.
10sbeast888
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30% effort in my video.. your blind so you can't tell someone is on 30% throttle.
Rosstour
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Where is the video. lol
10sbeast888
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10sbeast888
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my 1 thumb flat footed open stance bh will out rally yours all day... your vision is fine... but the shadow swing is still an open face attack.
Dragy
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Well, 2HBH awaits you. Patient like Hachiko.
Rosstour
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Dude what in the **** is this. lol
Curious
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Ball went outside the court and my friend went to get it. I did some shadow swings while waiting. Clear?
Rosstour
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Lmao
Now link me to The Master's 3.5 BH so I can see which one of you has the better signal-to-noise ratio
Curious
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Maybe he can send it to you privately.
Curious
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Go ahead. I’m curious to see your 1hbh.
i don't normally hit a 1hhbh.. . but when i'm goofing around, channeling my innner wawarinka... i keep my elbow straight when i exec the external shoulder rotation (eg. windshield wipe) through contact...
if i bent my elbow on the follow through, like you appear to do in your shadow swing, when i swing fast it feels like i'm putting myself into a americanaLock (from bjj, et al)... does it feel that way to you when you swing fast?
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Rosstour
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@Curious @10sbeast888 it's the last video in this thread
I mostly use a 2H but there are different kinds of 1H in that video that will illustrate the point I made earlier. I listed out a few timestamps in that thread but basically for the purposes of seeing me hit 1Hs the first 2 minutes are all you need to look at, most of them are concentrated there
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10sbeast888
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I see @ballmachineguy 's point about the foot work sync...
although at this point even if @Curious does the sync the shot will still be garbage.... he's got an open face!.. the more power generated from the footwork and uncoiling will just make the face even more open.
no wonder his friend had to go outside to fetch that wild ball he hit lol.
the hand needs to be trained to maintain a closed face first.
although at this point even if @Curious does the sync the shot will still be garbage.... he's got an open face!.. the more power generated from the footwork and uncoiling will just make the face even more open.
no wonder his friend had to go outside to fetch that wild ball he hit lol.
the hand needs to be trained to maintain a closed face first.
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10sbeast888
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btw, in battle only 50% is hit in a sync'ed way anyway... I just finised 1.5 hours.. transition to all out attacking the front court, 70% of the bh drives today were hit off the backfoot as approach shots.. the footwork pattern is about a mirror image of the outside-out pattern on the fh approach (which is hit on the outside/back foot).
Rosstour
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He's doing that little flap on follow through deliberately, I think. One of his many innovations
Curious
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My elbow is more straight on follow through when I’m hitting balls. Does it really matter anyway as long as it’s straight at contact?
Curious
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Don’t make sh1t up!
Rosstour
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You're not? I thought you were channeling Dimitrov. You didn't make a thread about this?
Curious
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The only grip issue maybe is that I don’t get into a full eastern grip. Fed has a weak eastern grip, too.
Curious
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I’m not. Interestingly enough TPA Tom has a video where he advocates a bent arm finish. I’ll post it if I can find.
Rosstour
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Yeah I guess it is more like what he does on followthrough
that's something to think about (im sure you've tinkered w/ your grip..). i do full eastern definitely helps with getting the racquet face correct and generating spin. if you drive your weight correctly through the ball (which, as we know, you dont ..
) lots of power.
