What about Nick Kyrgios serve?
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Ash_Smith
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It's a great serve - quick rhythm makes it hard to read.
If one was being really, really picky you could argue that he could get a little more into his load position with a deeper knee bend... but, he still gets good push off the ground and because he hits more or less at the top of the arc the shallower bend works with his quicker rhythm.
He's a player I would love to coach - have made the offer through a mutual friend!
If one was being really, really picky you could argue that he could get a little more into his load position with a deeper knee bend... but, he still gets good push off the ground and because he hits more or less at the top of the arc the shallower bend works with his quicker rhythm.
He's a player I would love to coach - have made the offer through a mutual friend!
Curious
Legend
You would need a degree in psychology as well!
Mack-2
Professional
What are some things you will change or add to his game?^^^ Psychology I can do, no worries there
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Ash_Smith
Legend
^^^ Don't know him well enough to make any concrete suggestions now - would need to spend time around him and his team to see where some interventions might help him.
Appearances suggest that he really doesn't like playing tennis - finding out why that may be would be a good start, the guy has so much skill and flair finding a way to get him enjoying himself on court would be a good start. He could maybe do with a little help in getting the media on side too - people I know who know him suggest that his personal character is very different to his media character (much like Andy) - so it could benefit his tennis to foster some better relationships for himself with the media.
Appearances suggest that he really doesn't like playing tennis - finding out why that may be would be a good start, the guy has so much skill and flair finding a way to get him enjoying himself on court would be a good start. He could maybe do with a little help in getting the media on side too - people I know who know him suggest that his personal character is very different to his media character (much like Andy) - so it could benefit his tennis to foster some better relationships for himself with the media.
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VexlanderPrime
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While I like his toss and looseness I don't see a ton of Topspin. Boil it down, its a tall guy hitting relatively flat nukes. Not something average Joe can mimic.
He's a dark energy guy, who needs to realize and encompass it to really shine, ala Mac. Anger and hatred are the only way he will play his best.
Power Player
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I think he hits all the critical parts of the serve, but goes through his motion at a much faster speed than people are used to seeing.
heninfan99
Talk Tennis Guru
Anyone try this quick action, lightning bolt serve?
Curious
Legend
Tried last night! Works great
. I was more experimenting the 'toss the ball first, then swing the racket' staggered type of serve and it sort of ends up similar to Kyrgios's serve as you need to speed up the swing phase due to delayed action. To me this is crucial for speed. I served pretty fast serves and that was with a powerless PT630.
heninfan99
Talk Tennis Guru
You did pinpoint as well?Tried last night! Works great
Curious
Legend
No I use a narrowish platform stance similar to Bautista Agut's.
aimr75
Hall of Fame
I’ve been experimenting with elements of his serve. I think from the initial phase where he rocks back to when he begins to lift his hitting arm into the trophy position, he creates a stretch in arm/shoulder/pec region, which when I tried it, I felt a stretch in the pec region that I hadn’t felt before. Typically I just felt relatively passive without any stretch.
I was practicing serves with my usual form and then the next day tried this and immediately felt an increase in pace and was as though I could go after the serve a lot more.
I took vid of the serve on the first day but unfortunately didn’t take it on the next day with the change, but the difference was noticeable.
I was practicing serves with my usual form and then the next day tried this and immediately felt an increase in pace and was as though I could go after the serve a lot more.
I took vid of the serve on the first day but unfortunately didn’t take it on the next day with the change, but the difference was noticeable.
Fintft
Legend
Well, I have a coach in Romania ( a guy who I've climbed mountains since) who was trying to teach me that years ago, but besides having the left side (tossing) stretched, he wanted me to have the right side relaxed (and that's usually a problem for me).
aimr75
Hall of Fame
Feeling relaxed but also loading up the hitting arm more. Something I wasn’t really doing much of and trying this, I felt more of a stretch and could go for it more. Felt it made a difference for me.
Kind of when he gets into this position before getting into the trophy
Fintft
Legend
Feeling relaxed but also loading up the hitting arm more. Something I wasn’t really doing much of and trying this, I felt more of a stretch and could go for it more. Felt it made a difference for me.
Kind of when he gets into this position before getting into the trophy
I got the stretch part (also helps to keep extending the tossing arm) but it's not easy to get the racquet arm relaxed and keep moving it as the same time, higher, into the trophy....
Chas Tennis
Legend
High level servers as seen in the ATP.
1) Most servers rotate up and back to Trophy Position (ESR) and keep going through TP, no pause, build speed then to racket drop .........
2) Many servers start at or pause at Trophy Position possibly because it is easier or the toss is very high.
3) I have seen Andy Roddick, I believe, add an extra stretch shorten cycle by rotating the forearm down with ISR ( at about the position shown in the Kyrgios picture) and then up and back with ESR toward Trophy Position and then continuing toward the rest of the service motion. All very fast. Is this what you are talking about?
1) Most servers rotate up and back to Trophy Position (ESR) and keep going through TP, no pause, build speed then to racket drop .........
2) Many servers start at or pause at Trophy Position possibly because it is easier or the toss is very high.
3) I have seen Andy Roddick, I believe, add an extra stretch shorten cycle by rotating the forearm down with ISR ( at about the position shown in the Kyrgios picture) and then up and back with ESR toward Trophy Position and then continuing toward the rest of the service motion. All very fast. Is this what you are talking about?
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heninfan99
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One wonders why more people do not use the quick action/lightning bolt serve. I imagine doubles faults would increase for most. I've tried a faster action and did get more aces and more doubles faults.
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I wached him up close in a double match on one of the smaller courts at US Open 2017 - to me seeing him play live, he seems to be the nicest guy, full of humour and joking around with the fans too. He really seems like he was enjoying playing tennis. He had a lot of charme and charisma and I totally changed my opinion about him.
For sure he is not using his full potential, and gets derivated in big matches and looses concentration, but in my mind I have no doubt that he is a really great guy.
Cheers, T
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heninfan99
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But it could. Ask Goran
Goran was a better player than Kyrgios
J011yroger
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Too bad, would have been fun to meet. Did you have the same experience about Nick Kyrgios as I did ?
heninfan99
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maybe too soon to tell as one career is on-going
No. Goran used 89.5 head prestige and Kyrgios used oversized yonex. Big difference. Kyrgios is not an ace man but goran was!
heninfan99
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hahaha