What about Nick Kyrgios serve?

5263

G.O.A.T.
Is there anything about it that misses the critical points of all big servers? Or is this just basically just another guy who hits all the normal keys to a big serve?
 

Curious

Legend
I try to copy it. Great for power, not sure about accuracy and placement. Has 3 critical elements in my view: low toss, racket a fraction later than toss, racket sort of dangling at the start pointing down( gives perfect looseness). Love it.
 

Ash_Smith

Legend
It's a great serve - quick rhythm makes it hard to read.

If one was being really, really picky you could argue that he could get a little more into his load position with a deeper knee bend... but, he still gets good push off the ground and because he hits more or less at the top of the arc the shallower bend works with his quicker rhythm.

He's a player I would love to coach - have made the offer through a mutual friend!
 

Ash_Smith

Legend
^^^ Don't know him well enough to make any concrete suggestions now - would need to spend time around him and his team to see where some interventions might help him.

Appearances suggest that he really doesn't like playing tennis - finding out why that may be would be a good start, the guy has so much skill and flair finding a way to get him enjoying himself on court would be a good start. He could maybe do with a little help in getting the media on side too - people I know who know him suggest that his personal character is very different to his media character (much like Andy) - so it could benefit his tennis to foster some better relationships for himself with the media.
 
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VexlanderPrime

Guest
While I like his toss and looseness I don't see a ton of Topspin. Boil it down, its a tall guy hitting relatively flat nukes. Not something average Joe can mimic.
 

kiteboard

Banned
^^^ Don't know him well enough to make any concrete suggestions now - would need to spend time around him and his team to see where some interventions might help him.

Appearances suggest that he really doesn't like playing tennis - finding out why that may be would be a good start, the guy has so much skill and flair finding a way to get him enjoying himself on court would be a good start. He could maybe do with a little help in getting the media on side too - people I know who know him suggest that his personal character is very different to his media character (much like Andy) - so it could benefit his tennis to foster some better relationships for himself with the media.
He's a dark energy guy, who needs to realize and encompass it to really shine, ala Mac. Anger and hatred are the only way he will play his best.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
I think he hits all the critical parts of the serve, but goes through his motion at a much faster speed than people are used to seeing.
 

Curious

Legend
Anyone try this quick action, lightning bolt serve?
Tried last night! Works great:). I was more experimenting the 'toss the ball first, then swing the racket' staggered type of serve and it sort of ends up similar to Kyrgios's serve as you need to speed up the swing phase due to delayed action. To me this is crucial for speed. I served pretty fast serves and that was with a powerless PT630.
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
Tried last night! Works great:). I was more experimenting the 'toss the ball first, then swing the racket' staggered type of serve and it sort of ends up similar to Kyrgios's serve as you need to speed up the swing phase due to delayed action. To me this is crucial for speed. I served pretty fast serves and that was with a powerless PT630.
You did pinpoint as well?
 

aimr75

Hall of Fame
I’ve been experimenting with elements of his serve. I think from the initial phase where he rocks back to when he begins to lift his hitting arm into the trophy position, he creates a stretch in arm/shoulder/pec region, which when I tried it, I felt a stretch in the pec region that I hadn’t felt before. Typically I just felt relatively passive without any stretch.

I was practicing serves with my usual form and then the next day tried this and immediately felt an increase in pace and was as though I could go after the serve a lot more.

I took vid of the serve on the first day but unfortunately didn’t take it on the next day with the change, but the difference was noticeable.
 

Fintft

Legend
I’ve been experimenting with elements of his serve. I think from the initial phase where he rocks back to when he begins to lift his hitting arm into the trophy position, he creates a stretch in arm/shoulder/pec region, which when I tried it, I felt a stretch in the pec region that I hadn’t felt before. Typically I just felt relatively passive without any stretch.
Well, I have a coach in Romania ( a guy who I've climbed mountains since) who was trying to teach me that years ago, but besides having the left side (tossing) stretched, he wanted me to have the right side relaxed (and that's usually a problem for me).
 

aimr75

Hall of Fame
Well, I have a coach in Romania ( a guy who I've climbed mountains since) who was trying to teach me that years ago, but besides having the left side (tossing) stretched, he wanted me to have the right side relaxed (and that's usually a problem for me).
Feeling relaxed but also loading up the hitting arm more. Something I wasn’t really doing much of and trying this, I felt more of a stretch and could go for it more. Felt it made a difference for me.

Kind of when he gets into this position before getting into the trophy

 

Fintft

Legend
Feeling relaxed but also loading up the hitting arm more. Something I wasn’t really doing much of and trying this, I felt more of a stretch and could go for it more. Felt it made a difference for me.

Kind of when he gets into this position before getting into the trophy


I got the stretch part (also helps to keep extending the tossing arm) but it's not easy to get the racquet arm relaxed and keep moving it as the same time, higher, into the trophy....
 
High level servers as seen in the ATP.

1) Most servers rotate up and back to Trophy Position (ESR) and keep going through TP, no pause, build speed then to racket drop .........

2) Many servers start at or pause at Trophy Position possibly because it is easier or the toss is very high.

3) I have seen Andy Roddick, I believe, add an extra stretch shorten cycle by rotating the forearm down with ISR ( at about the position shown in the Kyrgios picture) and then up and back with ESR toward Trophy Position and then continuing toward the rest of the service motion. All very fast. Is this what you are talking about?
 
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heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
No I use a narrowish platform stance similar to Bautista Agut's.
One wonders why more people do not use the quick action/lightning bolt serve. I imagine doubles faults would increase for most. I've tried a faster action and did get more aces and more doubles faults.
 

Toby14

Professional
^^^ Don't know him well enough to make any concrete suggestions now - would need to spend time around him and his team to see where some interventions might help him.

Appearances suggest that he really doesn't like playing tennis - finding out why that may be would be a good start, the guy has so much skill and flair finding a way to get him enjoying himself on court would be a good start. He could maybe do with a little help in getting the media on side too - people I know who know him suggest that his personal character is very different to his media character (much like Andy) - so it could benefit his tennis to foster some better relationships for himself with the media.
I wached him up close in a double match on one of the smaller courts at US Open 2017 - to me seeing him play live, he seems to be the nicest guy, full of humour and joking around with the fans too. He really seems like he was enjoying playing tennis. He had a lot of charme and charisma and I totally changed my opinion about him.

For sure he is not using his full potential, and gets derivated in big matches and looses concentration, but in my mind I have no doubt that he is a really great guy.

Cheers, T
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
I wached him up close in a double match on one of the smaller courts at US Open 2017 - to me seeing him play live, he seems to be the nicest guy, full of humour and joking around with the fans too. He really seems like he was enjoying playing tennis. He had a lot of charme and charisma and I totally changed my opinion about him.

For sure he is not using his full potential, and gets derivated in big matches and looses concentration, but in my mind I have no doubt that he is a really great guy.

Cheers, T
And you didn't say hi to Jolly?

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