What about the wind makes Djokovic's game go really south?

Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by RCizzle65, Sep 11, 2012.

  1. spinovic

    spinovic Hall of Fame

    Feb 19, 2013
    I don't disagree with the point you're trying to make, as I think players in this category have better odds of troubling Djokovic with their variety.

    But, I think it is worth noting that Djokovic "struggling" with anyone at this point is a relative term. The only guys mentioned that has a winning record against Djoker is Federer. None of them have a winning record against him since 2011. Here's how it breaks down:

    vs. Federer (13-16 overall, 7-3 since 2011, 3-2 in the last five, Djoker won the most recent)

    vs. Murray (11-7 overall, 7-4 since 2011, 3-2 in the last five, Djoker has won the last 3)

    vs. Haas (4-3 overall, 2-1 since 2011, 2-3 in the last five, Haas won last night)

    vs. Tomic (3-0 overall) - Tomic did beat Djokovic in an exhibition early this year, but he hasn't troubled Djokovic much in matches that count. (Djoker won 6-2, 3-6, 6-3, 7-5 @ 2011 Wimbledon; 6-3, 6-3 @ 2012 Rome; 6-2, 6-3 @ 2012 Toronto)

    vs. Dimitrov (2-0 overall) - I looked him up because he has a lot of variety in his game as well. He lost 6-3, 6-2 in Shanghai last year and then 7-6(4), 6-1 at Indian Wells a couple weeks ago. We saw a glimpse of it perhaps in that first set at IW.

    Tomic and Dimitrov aren't really applicable yet because they're just now starting to play at the tour level from week-to-week.

    But, if you look closer at the Haas matchup, the matches are usually competitive.

    Roland Garros (2006) - Djokovic won 7-5, 6-1, 7-6(4)
    Indian Wells (2009) - Djokovic won 6-2, 7-6(1)
    Halle (2009) - Haas won 6-3, 6-7(4), 6-1
    Wimbledon (2009) - Haas won 7-5, 7-6(6), 4-6, 6-3
    Toronto (2012) - Djokovic won 6-3, 3-6, 6-3
    Shanghai (2012) - Djokovic won 6-3, 6-3
    Miami (2013) - Haas won 6-2, 6-4

    In terms of sets, Djokovic has won 11 sets to Haas' 7.

    And of course, although he wins more often, his matches with Federer and Murray are almost always tight, often going the distance and featuring a lot of TB's or 7-5 sets.
  2. Murrayfan31

    Murrayfan31 Hall of Fame

    Jun 27, 2010
    Djokovic saw Nadal and Federer were preparing early for the clay season and decided to get an early start as well.
  3. Connors Fan

    Connors Fan Rookie

    Dec 12, 2010
    I wish I would have seen it. I saw Tommy play at IW and he looked terrible, and basically gave up. He did get beat by Delpo, but still, he just seemed out of sorts.
  4. cucio

    cucio Legend

    May 13, 2007
    Didn't see the match, but everyone has a bad day. What is not normal is one single guy dominating every other contender day in and day out, as Djoker did in 2011 or Fed in 2006.

    All top 100 guys are incredibly talented and dedicated, they devote their lives to beat their peers. One-sided, continued dominance should be the exception, not the rule. That's what makes Federer's run, or Nole's, or Nadal's on clay all the more incredible and special.
  5. bilboa

    bilboa Rookie

    Jan 25, 2013
    watched the match and Haas really played well - also he was hitting a lot of on-the-line shots (i assume he would miss then on a normal day), and more importantly returning a lot of serves well - djokovic won only 50% of 1st serve points (he served 64% 1st serves in).

    Djoker, on the other hand, was not constructing points well, making tons of really UEs, and serving a lot slower than usual. Wind, cold, or not - those unforced errors were just unbecoming of him.

    He had a chance to get back into it, but again poor serving and point blank UEs were causing him to lose his last serve game in 2nd set.

    I am a Nole fan, and have to say that he deserved to lose. It seem like Haas wanted it more and was more focused (like with JMDP @ IW)

    His level has dropped drastically since Dubai (exception being that Tsonga QF at IW). I trust this is just a phase, which all players go through from time to time.
  6. Murrayfan31

    Murrayfan31 Hall of Fame

    Jun 27, 2010
    No use overanalyzing this match really. Djokovic obviously is thinking ahead to the clay season. Probably should've skipped it knowing Nadal and Federer chose to skip it to get the upper hand on the clay season preparation.
  7. batz

    batz G.O.A.T.

    Jan 9, 2009
    That's right. You and the bawbag, with your constant crying like a little girl whose lost her dolly, represent the mainstream view.

    Denial is not a river in egypt. Keep the tears coming though.
  8. rafafan20

    rafafan20 Professional

    Jan 28, 2012
    lol @ he wasn't interested in the USO. He seems to have a chip on his shoulder with US fans, so I'm 100% certain he did not have interest in winning the USO
  9. Antonio Puente

    Antonio Puente Hall of Fame

    Apr 7, 2009
    Is this the title of your dissertation or something? It's a bit drawn-out.
  10. batz

    batz G.O.A.T.

    Jan 9, 2009
    Let me get this right - he was so disinterested that he chose to win 6 matches but lose the 7th? LOL indeed.
  11. The Bawss

    The Bawss Banned

    May 8, 2011
    Lyon, France.
    It what happens when a sentence overflow with pure truth.

    (The same happens when you try to write in full caps on this forum.)
  12. Hawkeye7

    Hawkeye7 Professional

    Aug 8, 2012
    That's because Djokovic is generally the better player than these guys (apart from Federer, who is, let's face it, getting older). In Haas' case, all their matches were played after Djokovic broke through and Haas was kind of past it (except maybe RG 2006). It's a completely different generation, which doesn't mean that he can't still play amazingly well on occasion. Struggling doesn't necessarily mean you lose every match either, just that you have more trouble beating a certain brand of player more than another. Federer for example has a positive record against Berdych, yet no one would deny that it's a tough match-up for him.

    Djokovic excels on slow courts with a higher bounce, like Australia, because that makes it easier to defend and gives him more time to set up his shots. The cold yesterday made conditions slower alright, but they also kept the ball low. So in conditions that don't necessarily favour him he certainly has more trouble against guys with a lot of variety (his H2H with Murray on medium/fast low-bouncing courts is 5-2). I think the Tomic Wimbledon match in 2011 proved that as well.

    Murray also could have easily won at least 2 of their last 3 matches. In my opinion that had more to do with Djokovic's mental fortitude than anything else. The WTF final against Federer was extremely close as well.
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2013
  13. bigserving

    bigserving Hall of Fame

    Mar 25, 2004
    Novak merely pushed the ball back down the middle of the court over and over giving Haas plenty of opportunity to do anything. It was very obvious when he would hit angles toward the sidelines that actually landed close, Novak would stop knowing that he meant to miss.

    Novak has so many weapons and he kept them all in his bag during that match.
  14. kragster

    kragster Hall of Fame

    Jul 8, 2011
    This is all a conspiracy to keep naive folks like yourself from realizing everything is fixed. Including the wind. If you noticed carefully, there were a bunch of blow-dryers hidden on Novak's side of the court.

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