what can Nadal do now?

Towser83

Towser83

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This is turning out to be one of nadal's best seasons and he can still do more.

if he wins today which is almost a certainty, he will have 4 masters and a chance to equal or beat djoko's 5 masters in a season.

He could also win Cincinnati and Paris to have all masters.

Win the us open

win Wtf.

I think he will win the Wtf this year, and equal djokovic's 5 masters. Us open looks good too.

Nadal looks better now on hc than he does on clay. suits his game more because he's being more aggressive and hitting more winners but more errors. maybe he should have done this before because even below his best on clay, he still wins. so better to sacrifice your clay game for the sake of hc.
 
I wouldn't look at the WTF just yet,indoor conditions are a different ballgame but yes Montreal is a lock and is a firm favourite for the USO.
 
I love watching Nadal when he is aggressive. Watching a player trying to win, is infinitely more entertaining than watching them trying not to lose. Hopefully he keeps it up.
 
Towser83 said:
This is turning out to be one of nadal's best seasons and he can still do more.

if he wins today which is almost a certainty, he will have 4 masters and a chance to equal or beat djoko's 5 masters in a season.

He could also win Cincinnati and Paris to have all masters.

Win the us open

win Wtf.

I think he will win the Wtf this year, and equal djokovic's 5 masters. Us open looks good too.

Nadal looks better now on hc than he does on clay. suits his game more because he's being more aggressive and hitting more winners but more errors. maybe he should have done this before because even below his best on clay, he still wins. so better to sacrifice your clay game for the sake of hc.
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Nadal winning today is not a certainty, and he is not winning any of that other stuff you mention. More of your anti-jinx crap is all this post is.
 
He's not going to win Cincy. Is he even going to play there?
He'll be one of the favourites in New York, but not with any more heft behind his claim than Djokovic or Andy.

As for the indoor season, it's his least favourite leg of the season by a stretch. The surface doesn't suit him, and he's almost always used up most of what he has in the tank by that point. This year given the time that he missed he may be in better shape physically to go that deep in the year, but it'll be interesting to see how he copes with the disadvantages of the surface for him. I think a lot of it depends on how things will go in New York. The guys mindsets at that stage of the season will be influenced by what happens in the final major.
 
Towser83 said:
This is turning out to be one of nadal's best seasons and he can still do more.

if he wins today which is almost a certainty, he will have 4 masters and a chance to equal or beat djoko's 5 masters in a season.

He could also win Cincinnati and Paris to have all masters.

Win the us open

win Wtf.

I think he will win the Wtf this year, and equal djokovic's 5 masters. Us open looks good too.

Nadal looks better now on hc than he does on clay. suits his game more because he's being more aggressive and hitting more winners but more errors. maybe he should have done this before because even below his best on clay, he still wins. so better to sacrifice your clay game for the sake of hc.
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One tourney and all forget the Wimbledon champion Aande Mooraiii!!! :mad:
 
You are getting way too ahead of yourself here. Nadal could lose today, wait an see.

I really don't think he will win the USO, the match yesterday was just too close.




Towser83 said:
This is turning out to be one of nadal's best seasons and he can still do more.

if he wins today which is almost a certainty, he will have 4 masters and a chance to equal or beat djoko's 5 masters in a season.

He could also win Cincinnati and Paris to have all masters.

Win the us open

win Wtf.

I think he will win the Wtf this year, and equal djokovic's 5 masters. Us open looks good too.

Nadal looks better now on hc than he does on clay. suits his game more because he's being more aggressive and hitting more winners but more errors. maybe he should have done this before because even below his best on clay, he still wins. so better to sacrifice your clay game for the sake of hc.
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Clarky21 said:
Nadal winning today is not a certainty, and he is not winning any of that other stuff you mention. More of your anti-jinx crap is all this post is.
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Lol you need to apologise because that's what you said about Nadal beating djokovic and once again i was right.

Raonic hasn't got a hope in hell but its the same anti jinx crap from you. no matter how much Nadal wins you claim he finished. so i know when he wins this you will say he doesn't have a chance to win a match the rest of the year.

And i am not anti jinxing. i tried it and it worked by knocking Murray out but the thing is i really did expect Nadal to win. so not sure if its my gut instinct that's nearly always right or you're just a more powerful jinxer.

In Cincinnati i am taking a New plan. i am going to agree with you! Nadal won't win a match, cvac has won the title already. we will see if its you or me making these results happen ;)

But i have a feeling my gut instinct of Murray or maybe Nadal will come through again.
 
monfed said:
I wouldn't look at the WTF just yet,indoor conditions are a different ballgame but yes Montreal is a lock and is a firm favourite for the USO.
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Nadal made the final of the Wtf in 2010 and was only stopped by fed in great form, who is there to stop him now? Maybe djokovic and that's it.
 
Towser83 said:
Nadal made the final of the Wtf in 2010 and was only stopped by fed in great form, who is there to stop him now? Maybe djokovic and that's it.
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Well yea, but Murray 2.0 and even guys like Delpo can take him out indoors. I think Ralph is at his weakest indoors so that has to factor in somewhere.
I think Novak has too much game for Ralph indoors IMO.
 
Nadal is being more aggressive and he seems to go in wall mode when he's being yanked side to side that's the defensive side in him. But his best adaptation that he seemed to do in the past 2 years is developing his topspin pull. He pulls you off the court he either buggy whips it wide or he goes inside out really well. I think it's more with what he's doing with his power which is moving you off the court than it is just hitting harder with no battle plan.

You know how when you play old club players they are crafty to the extent that their game relies on taking you off the center of the court and getting you into the doubles alley to move in, but they don't really have the power, they just have the angles? Well nadal has that incredible ability to have that same off court pull against the world's top pros, but he also does that with the spin and power. When he pulls people out wide to their backhand side and comes into net or spins a inside out, he does that so consistently. It's actually better than just hitting winners or going for risky corner bangers. These shot combinations really earn him victories nowadays. I don't see fitness really being a factor because of that style of play unless he plays someone like Djokovic who has better defense than other top pros.
 
monfed said:
Well yea, but Murray 2.0 and even guys like Delpo can take him out indoors. I think Ralph is at his weakest indoors so that has to factor in somewhere.
I think Novak has too much game for Ralph indoors IMO.
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tbh i don't have much faith in Murray vs Nadal, and he's always seemed to do poorly at the Wtf. djokovic is only level on indoor hard with Nadal and i don't see delpo being clutch enough. we'll see though.

DRII said:
depends on how injured he is...
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oh my god.... Nadal is an incredible player but is it necessary to bring up his injuries all the time? His knees are good, not taped and he's playing great. his success will be determined by his level of play vs the other opponents, not necessary his injuries. can't you just accept he's a great player who can win or lose at full health? No, you're already making excuses for what he doesn't win instead of being satisfied with what he does win rand he's already had an amazing year. But that's not enough?
 
Towser83 said:
tbh i don't have much faith in Murray vs Nadal, and he's always seemed to do poorly at the Wtf. djokovic is only level on indoor hard with Nadal and i don't see delpo being clutch enough. we'll see though.



oh my god.... Nadal is an incredible player but is it necessary to bring up his injuries all the time? His knees are good, not taped and he's playing great. his success will be determined by his level of play vs the other opponents, not necessary his injuries. can't you just accept he's a great player who can win or lose at full health? No, you're already making excuses for what he doesn't win instead of being satisfied with what he does win rand he's already had an amazing year. But that's not enough?
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Hey man trust me I can relate, but remember 2010? *******s were saying Ralph will do the CYGS in 2011 and he barely won RG. It's easy to get sucked in the moment and think that Ralph is unstoppable right now but some have said that he's peaked too early for HC so maybe there's some truth to that.
We'll just have to wait and see how things play out but yes Ralph has a shot at it.
 
Towser83 said:
Lol you need to apologise because that's what you said about Nadal beating djokovic and once again i was right.

Raonic hasn't got a hope in hell but its the same anti jinx crap from you. no matter how much Nadal wins you claim he finished. so i know when he wins this you will say he doesn't have a chance to win a match the rest of the year.

And i am not anti jinxing. i tried it and it worked by knocking Murray out but the thing is i really did expect Nadal to win. so not sure if its my gut instinct that's nearly always right or you're just a more powerful jinxer.

In Cincinnati i am taking a New plan. i am going to agree with you! Nadal won't win a match, cvac has won the title already. we will see if its you or me making these results happen ;)

But i have a feeling my gut instinct of Murray or maybe Nadal will come through again.
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For what?

Sure he has a hope in hell. Why not? He will give Nadal very little rhythm, and will keep the points short. Nadal also played a grueling match against Cvac last night as well and will have less rest than Milos before the final. I think Milos is due for a big win and will probably get it today.


Murray yes, Nadal no.
 
batz said:
http://www.oddschecker.com/tennis/us-open/mens

As of right now, he's a firm 3rd favourite and you can get him at 5/1 (which looks like bloody good value to me).
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Thanks for the link,batz. Always nice to see a different angle to these sorta things,we're all so caught up with making subjective claims without concrete proof.
I for one would celebrate if things go according to the betting odds.
I'd be happy with either Murray or Novak winning it tbh. Apart from the odds what does your heart say will win USO?
 
monfed said:
Thanks for the link,batz. Always nice to see a different angle to these sorta things,we're all so caught up with making subjective claims without concrete proof.
I for one would celebrate if things go according to the betting odds.
I'd be happy with either Murray or Novak winning it tbh. Apart from the odds what does your heart say will win USO?
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You are most welcome.

I think the bookies have it about right mate - although Roger looks like a pretty decent longshot bet to me at 14/1. I have a sneaky feeling he's going to confound a lot of people and do well in the USO.
 
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batz said:
I think the bookies have it about right mate - although Roger looks like a pretty decent longshot bet to me at 14/1. I have a sneaky feeling he's going to confound a lot of people and do well in the USO.
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I have that sneaky feeling too, ty for your encouraging words.

BTW I have no doubt that Murray's game is good enough to win USO for the second time(that was seen way back in 08 ) but I wonder if he has the hunger to give it his all after fulfilling his dream of winning Wimby? Any inside news/tidbits from the Murray camp? This will be a first for Andy defending a grand slam title so I'm interested to see how he'll handle the expectations that come with that.
 
Towser83 said:
tbh i don't have much faith in Murray vs Nadal, and he's always seemed to do poorly at the Wtf. djokovic is only level on indoor hard with Nadal and i don't see delpo being clutch enough. we'll see though.



oh my god.... Nadal is an incredible player but is it necessary to bring up his injuries all the time? His knees are good, not taped and he's playing great. his success will be determined by his level of play vs the other opponents, not necessary his injuries. can't you just accept he's a great player who can win or lose at full health? No, you're already making excuses for what he doesn't win instead of being satisfied with what he does win rand he's already had an amazing year. But that's not enough?
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point is, a healthy, motivated Nadal is every player's worst nightmare (as nearly all the top players have attested to regardless of your antipathy) and Nadal's health has been the greater determinator of his results the past few years!
 
DRII said:
point is, a healthy, motivated Nadal is every player's worst nightmare (as nearly all the top players have attested to regardless of your antipathy) and Nadal's health has been the greater determinator of his results the past few years!
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not outside of clay.

I'm sure most players would prefer to face peak nadal instead of peak federer/djokovic at the AO

peak nadal instead of peak federer at wimbledon

peak nadal instead of peak federer/djokovic at the USO

your 'advance' excuse making for nadal is pathetic ( maybe pathetic is too kind a word )
 
abmk said:
not outside of clay.

I'm sure most players would prefer to face peak nadal instead of peak federer/djokovic at the AO

peak nadal instead of peak federer at wimbledon

peak nadal instead of peak federer/djokovic at the USO

your 'advance' excuse making for nadal is pathetic ( maybe pathetic is too kind a word )
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Yeah right. I'm sure lots of players would be looking forward to playing peak Nadal at RG, where he was more dominant than Fed or Cvac have ever been anywhere.
 
Clarky21 said:
Yeah right. I'm sure lots of players would be looking forward to playing peak Nadal at RG, where he was more dominant than Fed or Cvac have ever been anywhere.
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of course not. peak nadal at RG was tougher than peak fed at wimby and much more than peak novak at the AO .

you'd do well to actually read what chain of posts I was responding to .
 
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RNadal is in excellent form and has a very good chance at USO if he keeps his current form up.

The draw will be very interesting for him this year. He might face RFederer in QF (not much of a threat, really), AMurray and NDjokovic in the SF or Final. Beating 3 of them consecutively is a monumental task, even for him.
 
monfed said:
Hey man trust me I can relate, but remember 2010? *******s were saying Ralph will do the CYGS in 2011 and he barely won RG. It's easy to get sucked in the moment and think that Ralph is unstoppable right now but some have said that he's peaked too early for HC so maybe there's some truth to that.
We'll just have to wait and see how things play out but yes Ralph has a shot at it.
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Yeah I'm not saying he willwin everything, but I think he has a good chance at the WTF, I think he'll skip Paris again
 
Clarky21 said:
For what?

Sure he has a hope in hell. Why not? He will give Nadal very little rhythm, and will keep the points short. Nadal also played a grueling match against Cvac last night as well and will have less rest than Milos before the final. I think Milos is due for a big win and will probably get it today.


Murray yes, Nadal no.
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For giving me Sh** for saying Djokovic would lose to Nadal, when I am nearly always right about these things.

Raonic has never taken a set off Nadal, and hasn't been playing that well at all. Nadal will rub him out and I hope he does so as swiftly as possible. Lol even after Nadal pulls off a great victory you stillhave tocarry on with the doom and gloom jinxing crap. Nadal is the only player who gets worse the more he wins, and the more he wins the less hope in hell he has of winning a point.Oh you are funny. Btw, the match was 2 and a half hours, not really that long.

But there's hope for you. You just agreed Murray and not Djokovic will probably win Cinci. Well done.
 
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DRII said:
point is, a healthy, motivated Nadal is every player's worst nightmare (as nearly all the top players have attested to regardless of your antipathy) and Nadal's health has been the greater determinator of his results the past few years!
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No it hasn't. Nadal has never been consistant on HC and that's not to do with injury. He's an amazing player and I thought he played really brilliant tennis to beat Djokovic, but if he's healthy he is still not close to unbeatable on HC. Not even Federer or Djokovic are and they are better HC players. Note - for as great as this win was he still trails Djokovic in the HC H2H as well as Davydenko. This is not because he was injured every time he lost, although if you must believe he is the best player on every single surface, fair enough. Not everyone can have a balanced view when it comesto their heroes.

Note - in your opinion, Nadal was at his peak when? In 2008-2010? He had loads of losses on HC in that time, and you can't use injury excuses for all of them (especially not 2010 where he lost in both Canada and Cinci before winning the USO then lost some more before playing great to make the final of the WTF and losing in 3)
 
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Clarky21 said:
Yeah right. I'm sure lots of players would be looking forward to playing peak Nadal at RG, where he was more dominant than Fed or Cvac have ever been anywhere.
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What even in the last 3 years? Nadal is hopeless at RG now, don't you remember? ;)
 
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